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Posted: **20 Mar 2015, 17:14**

diddy wrote:Trainers are typically confident - even when they don't actually believe it. I have never given Pac much of a shot in this fight and this just reaffirms that thought. It will take a bigger man than Pac to
beat Floyd. The fact that the betting odds have come down quite a bit just makes me laugh. Those damn Asians love to gamble - irresponsibly usually.

Racist much?

Posted: **20 Mar 2015, 17:23**

Someone show me a fight where Pacquiao pressed his opponent 24/7, trapped them against the ropes constantly, then leaned in and fired without a care for exchanging inside.

Because that is what folks are saying when they point to the Maidana fights. That Manny is a press type fighter.

Which we all know he is not.

And if Manny does try to lean in and press he is going to discover Mayweather is a lot better inside than he thought...after he wakes up that is.

Posted: **23 Mar 2015, 07:25**

Roach is really trying to get under Floyd's skin lately. Making comments about Floyd Sr. slurring his words, being a bad trainer, claiming Manny is a far more technically skilled boxer than Floyd, etc. He is now banking on Manny knocking Floyd out since Manny doesn't like Floyd.

I hope it is a good fight, and Floyd doesn't embarrass Manny too bad. I do think he will make a statement though. He knows how popular Manny is, and won't want it to go to the judge's scorecards, but if it does be wide enough to leave no doubt. Things happen though. Canelo got a draw on a card vs Floyd when he didn't even win a round.

Posted: **23 Mar 2015, 08:25**

Both of these guys are in the biggest fights of their lives, they're going to push themselves to the limits and be prepared like they haven't been in years. I personally think Floyd at his best beats Pacquiao at his best. It's Floyds timing and ability to control range that makes me feel he will beat Pacquiao. I don't look at this fight as a easy fight for Floyd, but I honestly feel there are ways that Floyd can make this fight easy on himself and make it look easy, but it's going to take a great game plan and Floyd is going to have to be in top form in which I believe he will be. I just feel Floyd is going to stay at range in which Pacquiao will be forced to lunge in with his shots and Floyd is going to catch him coming in consistently. It might take a Floyd 3,4 or 5 rounds to adjust to Pacquiaos speed and angles but I think eventually Floyd will figure Pacquiaos timing out and find the correct range the fight needs to be and trick Pacquiao into fighting his fight.

The whole Madaina comparison with Manny is plain silly. Pacquiao is nothing like Madaina, Pacquiao is a outside fighter he likes to fight from range as well. Madaina was a mauling in your chest type of guy who came in with his head down and would smother Mayweather on the ropes, Pacquiao will be Pacquiao, he's going to fight from range and use his speed and he doesn't have the physical size advantage that guys like Castillo, DLH and Madiana had against Floyd.

I love this fight because anything can happen. You have the 2 best fighters in the world facing each other and they are both highly skilled fighters. You have Floyd who is super accurate with his shots and is a great defensive fighter and you have Pacquiao who throws punches in bunches from all over the place and from awkward angles. I just see Pacquiao having a hard time finding the range to get off those combinations, it's nothing against Pacquiao because he's a great fighter, but this is a tough style for Pacquiao more so than Floyd IMO. Now if Floyd is in fact slipping and no longer has his legs, then Pacquiao has a fair chance of winning of this fight. If Floyd has a hard time pulling the trigger and Pacquiaos speed has Floyd like a deer in the headlights, Floyd has trouble on his hands. The truth is Floyd is going to treat this fight like it's the fight of his life, so I don't think Floyd is going to become old over night against Pacquiao and I think Floyd will be very sharp, very smart and find a way like he has 47 times before.

Posted: **23 Mar 2015, 09:51**

You have the 2 best fighters in the world facing each other

More like two of the most over paid fighters in the sport. Don't think I would call either of them the two best either. IMO

Posted: **23 Mar 2015, 09:55**

MachoTime wrote:
You have the 2 best fighters in the world facing each other
More like two of the most over paid fighters in the sport. Don't think I would call either of them the two best either. IMO

They are two of the best if not the two best.
No sense in making yourself out to be an idiot by denying it.

Posted: **23 Mar 2015, 17:17**

tiny_acres wrote:
MachoTime wrote:
You have the 2 best fighters in the world facing each other
More like two of the most over paid fighters in the sport. Don't think I would call either of them the two best either. IMO
They are two of the best if not the two best.
No sense in making yourself out to be an idiot by denying it.

I agree. I think they're still the top 2 among active fighters, but even if they aren't I don't see how they're far off and I can't think of a recent bout involving a higher level of ability.

Posted: **23 Mar 2015, 17:30**

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Come on When it comes to boxing knowledge Roach beats everyone hands down on this site everyone

I doubt that highly, he may know more about training a fighter but that doesn't mean he knows boxing history.

Posted: **23 Mar 2015, 19:21**

Badhusker wrote:Roach is really trying to get under Floyd's skin lately. Making comments about Floyd Sr. slurring his words, being a bad trainer, claiming Manny is a far more technically skilled boxer than Floyd, etc. He is now banking on Manny knocking Floyd out since Manny doesn't like Floyd.

I hope it is a good fight, and Floyd doesn't embarrass Manny too bad. I do think he will make a statement though. He knows how popular Manny is, and won't want it to go to the judge's scorecards, but if it does be wide enough to leave no doubt. Things happen though. Canelo got a draw on a card vs Floyd when he didn't even win a round.

Floyd got the win against Castillo when he didn't win anywhere near enough rounds

Posted: **23 Mar 2015, 21:01**

MachoTime wrote:The article link..Roach sounds reasonable.

I read a article the other day where Roach said Mayweather was predictable. So whatever.

LOL, that's quite the indictment coming from Roach when Manny is more predictable than Floyd, sure Packy fires from angles but he basically fights the same way all of the time. Mayweather can shoulder roll or box in a more conventional way (as he showed in the Maidana rematch), he shows you different levels, feints, he sets traps while standing right in front of you baiting you with his feints, left hooks, jabs to the pit of the stomach.

If Floyd was so predictable then every fighter that has faced him would've figured out his style/formula and used it against him, Roach is just being his usual asshole self who hides behind his Parkinson's the minute someone comes at him.

Freddie has not really trained any fighter from grass roots that has gone on to mega-success, he has been fortunate to have fighters such as Toney (who has forgotten more about boxing than Roach has ever known), DLH (who already had world class skills before Roach trained him, Packy (who he's only really helped develop a right hook) and nearly every other fighter he's had came with skills that Freddie has only had to refine/tune.

This man has been the product of capitalizing on already skilled fighters and has reaped the rewards of being with the right fighter at the right time.
He isn't in any position to talk ish about who is predictable and who is not.

Posted: **23 Mar 2015, 22:46**

Floyd Hasn't evolved in at least 10 years, he hasn't fought anyone in that time that has caused him any need to evolve, he adapts, yes, evolves, no, in the 2nd maidana fight he was protected by bayliss not allowing maidana to Infight, Floyd has an array of punches he uses extremely well but they haven't changed, his defensive skills haven't changed, his footwork hasn't changed, just slowed down, he hasn't fought a smart moving boxer for a decade or a boxer with fast hands

Posted: **23 Mar 2015, 22:57**

Pureist wrote:Floyd Hasn't evolved in at least 10 years, he hasn't fought anyone in that time that has caused him any need to evolve, he adapts, yes, evolves, no, in the 2nd maidana fight he was protected by bayliss not allowing maidana to Infight, Floyd has an array of punches he uses extremely well but they haven't changed, his defensive skills haven't changed, his footwork hasn't changed, just slowed down, he hasn't fought a smart moving boxer for a decade or a boxer with fast hands

LOL, protected by Bayless, lol. Sure I guess his defense had nothing to do with him not getting hit? I guess his ability to fire sharp counters in those clinches while coming off the ropes isn't evolving to you, I guess his ability to tie Maidana up isn't showing skills or evolving from the first fight to the second??

I disagree with Floyd not evolving and yes, he does make adjustments but why should one have to fix what isn't broken? 47-0, that's 47 fights that no fighter has been able to figure out how to beat him and yet you think he needs or should evolve, evolve into what, standing toe to toe while showing no defense and just slugging it out??

His footwork is par none, sure he doesn't move as fast as he did at 130 but this shows how he has evolved to the point where he can simply stand in the pocket and roll his shoulders and make fighters far younger, bigger and stronger than him actually miss him and you say he hasn't evolved, he wasn't fighting that way at 130 (he was moving and using the entire ring, what Pacquiao fans call running).

To say he hasn't evolved is to say you haven't realized the subtleties he's exhibited in evolving himself into a more efficient fighter (one who does not have to move as much as he once did and yet still be able to beat fighters younger, bigger and stronger.

As you can see I strongly disagree with you.

Posted: **23 Mar 2015, 22:58**

Pureist wrote:Floyd Hasn't evolved in at least 10 years, he hasn't fought anyone in that time that has caused him any need to evolve, he adapts, yes, evolves, no, in the 2nd maidana fight he was protected by bayliss not allowing maidana to Infight, Floyd has an array of punches he uses extremely well but they haven't changed, his defensive skills haven't changed, his footwork hasn't changed, just slowed down, he hasn't fought a smart moving boxer for a decade or a boxer with fast hands

I agree, but Pac has never faced anything close to what he is about to meet in the ring either. Hopefully, they will bring out (what is left of) each other's best.

FMJ by stoppage in 6 or less (out of necessity). It won't be a Planquiao, and it is possible that it could go the exact opposite direction, though not likely.

Posted: **23 Mar 2015, 23:05**

Chepppaaa wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:After seeing Manny punch dancing in the streets yesterday, Floyd better be ready. Roach thinks Manny needs to fight a perfect fight, I disagree. If a middle of the road boxer like Maidana can come that close to beating Floyd then what do you think a guy with the skills like Manny will do?

I'm all for respectful prefight hype but i also like a little Larry Holmes jumping off a car on his opponent or Mike Tyson promising to eat children. This fight needs just one of these type moments to completely burn this bitch to the ground with anticipation.

all i know is, is that manny is getting sharper and closer to being ready.

even now, over 5 weeks before the fight, even now he looks fast, and more importantly than handspeed, he looks fast on footspeed. if slow footed maidana can come close to floyd and exchange punches and land some, than what will a game manny do to floyd. i am being realistic, floyd has also his chances, floyd is floyd, but I'll doubt that it is going to be that easy for him like so many believes.

because, everything floyd had problems in the past "castillo's aggressivness/ judah hand- and footspeed/ maidana's power" is all combined in one fighter and that is manny. if an a-trained manny shows up, than i dont care who stands in the ring with him, than you got a problem, because great speed and power and quick feet is a problem for anybody.

Yeah Caldo, because punching the air that isn't punching you back is something to fear, lol

Cheappaa, Manny doesn't fight like Maidana!! Chino isn't afraid to take punches and he is bigger and stronger than Pacquiao too so he can afford to just rush in and take his lumps as long as he can get his in. If you are going to be dumb enough to sit here and compare the way Chino fought Floyd to the way you think Manny will be able to then you should easily be able to compare the way JMM was able to pick Manny off with counters to the way the faster, taller, bigger with a longer reach and better accuracy Mayweather will be able to pick up and face-first defenseless Pacquiao coming in to him.

You guys need to actually think before you go off half-cocked saying some of the stupid sh*t you have stated here because none of what you stated makes any sense and you cannot compare apples to oranges. The way one fighter faces another fighter should have not be a barometer of how they will do against another fighter.

Manny doesn't fight like Maidana, isn't able to bully the bigger, faster Mayweather.

Posted: **24 Mar 2015, 02:15**

KBB wrote:
Pureist wrote:Floyd Hasn't evolved in at least 10 years, he hasn't fought anyone in that time that has caused him any need to evolve, he adapts, yes, evolves, no, in the 2nd maidana fight he was protected by bayliss not allowing maidana to Infight, Floyd has an array of punches he uses extremely well but they haven't changed, his defensive skills haven't changed, his footwork hasn't changed, just slowed down, he hasn't fought a smart moving boxer for a decade or a boxer with fast hands
LOL, protected by Bayless, lol. Sure I guess his defense had nothing to do with him not getting hit? I guess his ability to fire sharp counters in those clinches while coming off the ropes isn't evolving to you, I guess his ability to tie Maidana up isn't showing skills or evolving from the first fight to the second??

I disagree with Floyd not evolving and yes, he does make adjustments but why should one have to fix what isn't broken? 47-0, that's 47 fights that no fighter has been able to figure out how to beat him and yet you think he needs or should evolve, evolve into what, standing toe to toe while showing no defense and just slugging it out??

His footwork is par none, sure he doesn't move as fast as he did at 130 but this shows how he has evolved to the point where he can simply stand in the pocket and roll his shoulders and make fighters far younger, bigger and stronger than him actually miss him and you say he hasn't evolved, he wasn't fighting that way at 130 (he was moving and using the entire ring, what Pacquiao fans call running).

To say he hasn't evolved is to say you haven't realized the subtleties he's exhibited in evolving himself into a more efficient fighter (one who does not have to move as much as he once did and yet still be able to beat fighters younger, bigger and stronger.

As you can see I strongly disagree with you.

Posted: **24 Mar 2015, 02:35**

KBB wrote:
Pureist wrote:Floyd Hasn't evolved in at least 10 years, he hasn't fought anyone in that time that has caused him any need to evolve, he adapts, yes, evolves, no, in the 2nd maidana fight he was protected by bayliss not allowing maidana to Infight, Floyd has an array of punches he uses extremely well but they haven't changed, his defensive skills haven't changed, his footwork hasn't changed, just slowed down, he hasn't fought a smart moving boxer for a decade or a boxer with fast hands
LOL, protected by Bayless, lol. Sure I guess his defense had nothing to do with him not getting hit? I guess his ability to fire sharp counters in those clinches while coming off the ropes isn't evolving to you, I guess his ability to tie Maidana up isn't showing skills or evolving from the first fight to the second??

I disagree with Floyd not evolving and yes, he does make adjustments but why should one have to fix what isn't broken? 47-0, that's 47 fights that no fighter has been able to figure out how to beat him and yet you think he needs or should evolve, evolve into what, standing toe to toe while showing no defense and just slugging it out??

His footwork is par none, sure he doesn't move as fast as he did at 130 but this shows how he has evolved to the point where he can simply stand in the pocket and roll his shoulders and make fighters far younger, bigger and stronger than him actually miss him and you say he hasn't evolved, he wasn't fighting that way at 130 (he was moving and using the entire ring, what Pacquiao fans call running).

To say he hasn't evolved is to say you haven't realized the subtleties he's exhibited in evolving himself into a more efficient fighter (one who does not have to move as much as he once did and yet still be able to beat fighters younger, bigger and stronger.

As you can see I strongly disagree with you.

Floyd has for years fired those short counters, he has always had the same defence, that's not evolving, watch the second fight with maidana and take off your floyd goggles nuthugger, bayliss broke them up as soon as maidana got to the inside, let me also inform you that constant clinching should bring warnings and then points deductions, it's actually a foul, and he did plenty of clinching in the first fight, you didn't mention all the fast handed boxers he's fought in the last decade I see,as far as his record goes he still has a way to go before he eclipses chavez

Posted: **24 Mar 2015, 02:48**

tiny_acres wrote:
MachoTime wrote:
You have the 2 best fighters in the world facing each other
More like two of the most over paid fighters in the sport. Don't think I would call either of them the two best either. IMO
They are two of the best if not the two best.
No sense in making yourself out to be an idiot by denying it.

So they are two of the best if not the two best? Which is it? According to you Boxing Genius?

Posted: **24 Mar 2015, 16:37**

Pureist wrote:Floyd has for years fired those short counters, he has always had the same defence, that's not evolving, watch the second fight with maidana and take off your floyd goggles nuthugger, bayliss broke them up as soon as maidana got to the inside, let me also inform you that constant clinching should bring warnings and then points deductions, it's actually a foul, and he did plenty of clinching in the first fight, you didn't mention all the fast handed boxers he's fought in the last decade I see,as far as his record goes he still has a way to go before he eclipses chavez

If I'm a nuthugger then you're a dumb ass and his name is spelled Bayless, not Bayliss. The Ref didn't see any excessive holding, there's a difference between a clinch (which is allowed) and holding (which is not allowed), maybe you don't understand the difference between the two.

Excessive holding is when one fighter wraps the other and continues to hold on to him even though the Referee has tried to break them.

Clinching is when you grab the fighter and hold him until told to break in order to frustrate your opponent and throw them off rhythm, I think you are a confused little boy who still won't understand. Especially since you have to start off your reply with words like "nuthugger" and whatnot when I never said anything even remotely insulting towards you.

So if you are stating that Floyd has not evolved and has used the "same Defense" (not defence) then why is it that no fighter has been able to figure him out??

BTW Oscar had fast hands, Mosley had fast hands, Hatton had fast hands. Who cares how far he has to go to eclipse Chavez, I don't believe that is or was one of his goals and for that matter Manny has a long way to go to eclipse Chavez but honestly who's counting and who cares besides you apparently??

Posted: **24 Mar 2015, 22:37**

Continual clinching isn't allowed, again, shows your lack of boxing knowledge, why do you think weeks let maidana tee off on Floyd the in the first fight, because he was holding, Oscar was slow, hatton was slow, Mosley was reasonably fast with no legs under him, if you really think that this garbage you writing is correct your delusional, did I spell everything correctly teacher

Posted: **25 Mar 2015, 10:59**

Pureist wrote:Continual clinching isn't allowed, again, shows your lack of boxing knowledge, why do you think weeks let maidana tee off on Floyd the in the first fight, because he was holding, Oscar was slow, hatton was slow, Mosley was reasonably fast with no legs under him, if you really think that this garbage you writing is correct your delusional, did I spell everything correctly teacher

Continual clinching is allowed and it is rarely penalized, if that was not so then most fighters would be disqualified. Weeks allowed Maidana to tee off because Floyd did not properly tie him up, as long as your opponent's hand is free then he is allowed to swing and hit you with it.

Did you bother to notice how Floyd was able to properly tie up Maidana in the rematch?? You have to wrap your opponent so that he cannot swing back at you while in the clinch.

Oscar wasn't ever slow with his handspeed, not one person here will agree with you on that. That slow Hatton crushed Kostya and numerous others, slow fighters can't do that. You said Shane was reasonably fast with no legs under him, lol......that is just a failure on your part to notice how fast his hands were while trying to make excuses on the other, he finished both fights with Floyd and Manny on those same legs.

If you really think this garbage you spewed is correct then you are the delusional one and no, you didn't spell Bayless correctly although I will give you the defence (though not the way we use it here) spelling.

Posted: **25 Mar 2015, 11:56**

Fighters are never penalized for holding.

It is one of the first things they teach at the gym.

Points are deducted for excessive holding, not just holding.

I always hear folks claim Floyd holds a lot, which is just not accurate.

Mayweather spends a lot more time in the center of the ring than most give him credit for.

But, what I find most ironic is that some of the same folks that claim Mayweather holds too much never say the same about other fighters who hold much, much more.

Posted: **25 Mar 2015, 15:56**

You 2 are classics first kbb says its legal and floyd has evolved to be a specialist clincher

then you come along and say he doesn't hold much but boxers do get penalised for excessive holding, kbb haven't you ever seen a ref knock a boxers hand away from holding while they're actually still fighting and don't you think it's funny maidana was belting floyd in the back of the head while floyd was holding, that's a trade off from weeks, maidana had no deduction from hitting in the back of the head did he, and yes I have seen boxers disqualified for holding, you guys should take more interest in boxing in general than just floyd

Posted: **26 Mar 2015, 05:07**

It seems Roach is getting more confident now, since he has the blueprint. He has finally figured it out! He is paying sparring partners to talk shit to Pac while sparring, with $1000 going to the one that is the best, or worst that is. He is also trying really hard to get into Floyd's head by saying Floyd got his ass handed to him in sparring two days in a row. If you don't believe that lie is true, ask the blind man, he saw it too.

Posted: **26 Mar 2015, 06:16**

I didn't think he could get any sparring partners, floyd was offering better money to everyone, floyd must be worried, I heard roach got the blueprint off castillo

Posted: **26 Mar 2015, 09:34**

Pureist wrote:You 2 are classics first kbb says its legal and floyd has evolved to be a specialist clincher then you come along and say he doesn't hold much but boxers do get penalised for excessive holding, kbb haven't you ever seen a ref knock a boxers hand away from holding while they're actually still fighting and don't you think it's funny maidana was belting floyd in the back of the head while floyd was holding, that's a trade off from weeks, maidana had no deduction from hitting in the back of the head did he, and yes I have seen boxers disqualified for holding, you guys should take more interest in boxing in general than just floyd

What part of this thing about clinching and holding has gotten you confused? It's apparently obvious to all who reads your BS that you don't understand the difference nor do you understand what it means when it is proper for a Ref to penalize a fighter for excessive holding and for not breaking and continuing to hold even though he has been instructed to let go or had a Ref hit him to try and break them.

Clinching on the other hand isn't penalized which is why I say it is "legal" and basically any offense in boxing is "legal" until the Ref says enough and decides to take a point after a few warnings.

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