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hurricanemitch14 wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Ali would have flogged both Klitsko's size meant nothing if u want to mess with the big boys then so be it you'll get paid for it, Bigger money in this division then any other
you don't have to be heavyweight champ to make big money just be a genuine world class fighter that's the benefit about the heavies.
instead of limit of about 92kg for a cruiser raise it to maybe 98kg over that then its open season.

I'm not an Ail fan at all but could u imagine Ali with the boxing,strength/conditioning,training techology and the legal and illegal supplements that fighters have access too nowadays. people forget that when comparing who would beat who when fighters fought in different eras. Imagine Sugar Ray Robinson on andro when that poo was running wild????? In this era u need to have size a 215 lb dude is not beating Wlad unless he lands a bomb.

Wlad has lost twice to fighters weighing 225lb. What you need, more than skill, is the ability to take his shots and land your own. Helps if you can bang a bit too. Much easier said than done, but the blueprint is there, it's just nobody is talented enough at the moment, to do it.

What was that a decade ago???? Wlad holds,grabs, shoves or throws u down if u get anywhere near him. Illegal but they let him do it. He doesnt fight like he did in brewster sanders fights.

The Great John L wrote:I dunno looking at the current top 10 boxrec HWs there are quite a few "smaller" guys.

Povetkin is a chubby 230, and probably should be fighting at 210-215
Wilder is about 220
Glazkov is 220
Tarver(!?) is a chubby 220 and could be fighting at 200
Jennings is 220-230, and is usually at his best in the low 220s
Cunningham is 205

So 6 of the top 10 ranked boxrec HWs could hardly be called super sized. I hardly think we need a super HW division, especially considering the only current "giant" HW who seems particularly skilled is Klitschko.

I'll agree with a few others here and say that we need less divisions.

But in those examples alone, you have made my point. You have guys at 6'1" - 6'3" who are chubby, because they feel they need to be 225lbs to compete with guys at 6'6" - 6'8".
create a division that will take the povetkins, cunninghams and tarvers

Wilder is big enough to compete, in terms of size, with Fury and Klitschko.

The UK's transition from Imperial to metric has been a very very slow one indeed. We buy juice by the litre but still drink beer by the pint
I work in the oil industry and regularly use bolts in metric and imperial on the same piece of equipment. Christ, I use a 27mm spanner on a 5/8" bolt
Body weight is always done in stone, you ask someone your weight in KG and they look at you like your daft
Road signs in miles and MPH, height in feet and inches

I think we decided to go metric about 15 years before I was born and we still haven't caught up

kaiserbill wrote:I'm baffled by the use of the antiquated term stone in the 21st century from a country that is (admittedly in a ham-fisted, half-arsed fashion) metricated.

A lot of people weigh 13 stone and at 182 there is nowhere to fight;

IMO a weight class of 185 (13st 3) makes more sense to the pattern

105, 108, 112, 115, 118, 122, 126, 130 might seem too many, but for instance some Bantams just can't make Super-fly. Perhaps Straw and Super-fly could go but they are not really harming things.

140 10 stone
147 10 .5 stone
154 11 stone
160 should be 161 to be 11 .5 stone
168 12 stone
175 12.5 stone
all have half a stone between them, but the jump to cruiser is nearly 4 times the pattern.
185 is a 10 pound jump, then a 15 pound jump to 200 what could be super-cruiserweight.

Boxing should use stones as part of its unique heritage.

welterweight: 11 stone (154 lbs.)
middleweight: 12 stone (168)
light heavyweight: 13 stone (182)
cruiserweight: 14 stone (196)
dreadnought: 15 stone 5 pounds (215)
heavyweight: over 15 stone 5 pounds

I recently watched two so-called jr welterweights scaling over 11 stone (154) ringside.

Problem solved.

Cap wrote:Boxing should use stones as part of its unique heritage.

welterweight: 11 stone (154 lbs.)
middleweight: 12 stone (168)
light heavyweight: 13 stone (182)
cruiserweight: 14 stone (196)
dreadnought: 15 stone 5 pounds (215)
heavyweight: over 15 stone 5 pounds

I recently watched two so-called jr welterweights scaling over 11 stone (154) ringside.

Problem solved.

If you have a dreadnought division which I would Dread, you'd have a real Heavyweight Champion like Wilder, Glaskov, Parker @ "Dreadnought," while some Fat fukk like Welliver or Arreola would claim to be HW Champion. If Welliver or Arreola is reading this, we're cool, right?

Thats the problem with getting a super heavy division. u get guys like Welliver, Arreola, Ruiz coming in fat.

hurricanemitch14 wrote:Thats the problem with getting a super heavy division. u get guys like Welliver, Arreola, Ruiz coming in fat.

Yeah, I could pretty much guarantee you that at least one of the alphabet bodies would have some 270 pound guy like one of the 3 you mentioned as super heavyweight champion while a Glaskov, Parker, or Wilder would be much better and would be the "regular" or "Dread" champion. No thanks.

Tony1244 wrote:

hurricanemitch14 wrote:Thats the problem with getting a super heavy division. u get guys like Welliver, Arreola, Ruiz coming in fat.

Yeah, I could pretty much guarantee you that at least one of the alphabet bodies would have some 270 pound guy like one of the 3 you mentioned as super heavyweight champion while a Glaskov, Parker, or Wilder would be much better and would be the "regular" or "Dread" champion. No thanks.

Hey Tony, you do know what a dreadnought was? It was a heavily-armed battleship of the Great War era.

Tony1244 wrote:
If you have a dreadnought division which I would Dread, you'd have a real Heavyweight Champion like Wilder, Glaskov, Parker @ "Dreadnought," while some Fat fukk like Welliver or Arreola would claim to be HW Champion. If Welliver or Arreola is reading this, we're cool, right?

Tony1244 wrote:

hurricanemitch14 wrote:Thats the problem with getting a super heavy division. u get guys like Welliver, Arreola, Ruiz coming in fat.

Yeah, I could pretty much guarantee you that at least one of the alphabet bodies would have some 270 pound guy like one of the 3 you mentioned as super heavyweight champion while a Glaskov, Parker, or Wilder would be much better and would be the "regular" or "Dread" champion. No thanks.

Wlad, Fury, Wilder and Pulev? No?

The heaviest division would be dominated by the same guys who will likely dominate the current division, the guys 6'5" and above. Welliver, Arreola and Ruiz can't beat these guys and nothing would change if the lower limit of the heaviest division moved up.

the only thing is it would give a far more natural weight class for the guys at 6'2" who want to step up from Cruiser

I wasnt saying they would be champs...im saying we get those plus a line of other lazy bastards fighting at super heavy

I would seperate the big guys into different divisions.

Keep the heavyweight guys below a reasonable weight but still call that division heavyweight.
Let the lazy fattys and over sized odd balls fight it out for themselves in an 'oversized division' wearing vests.

Personally I despise the heavyweight division.

Stop making this thread every month.

JeanClaude Van Damme wrote:Stop making this thread every month.

It's my first one, honest guv

Cap wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:

hurricanemitch14 wrote:Thats the problem with getting a super heavy division. u get guys like Welliver, Arreola, Ruiz coming in fat.

Yeah, I could pretty much guarantee you that at least one of the alphabet bodies would have some 270 pound guy like one of the 3 you mentioned as super heavyweight champion while a Glaskov, Parker, or Wilder would be much better and would be the "regular" or "Dread" champion. No thanks.

Hey Tony, you do know what a dreadnought was? It was a heavily-armed battleship of the Great War era.

I knew it was some sort of military hardware, but I had forgotten (if I ever knew-I may have known it briefly for some test) exactly what it was but I looked it up. Anyway my problem with it would be having an new division and not the name. If you want to rename the cruiserweight (cruise missile?) the dreadnaught division, I'd be good with that.

Punchoutsb you should check one of my last posts in regards to Pascal v Kovalev gorn have a look if you can find it any- way don't insult me by saying i'm being silly when
I said Ali would kick both Klitshkos back sides ask the rest of the forum who's being silly me or you.

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Punchoutsb you should check one of my last posts in regards to Pascal v Kovalev gorn have a look if you can find it any- way don't insult me by saying i'm being silly when
I said Ali would kick both Klitshkos back sides ask the rest of the forum who's being silly me or you.

You said Ali would flog them and size doesn't matter.

Think about that for a bit...

punchoutsb wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Punchoutsb you should check one of my last posts in regards to Pascal v Kovalev gorn have a look if you can find it any- way don't insult me by saying i'm being silly when
I said Ali would kick both Klitshkos back sides ask the rest of the forum who's being silly me or you.

You said Ali would flog them and size doesn't matter.

Think about that for a bit...

THEY ARE NOT IN ALI CLASS..............................

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Punchoutsb you should check one of my last posts in regards to Pascal v Kovalev gorn have a look if you can find it any- way don't insult me by saying i'm being silly when
I said Ali would kick both Klitshkos back sides ask the rest of the forum who's being silly me or you.

You said Ali would flog them and size doesn't matter.

Think about that for a bit...

THEY ARE NOT IN ALI CLASS..............................

Didn't say they were. Doesn't make your original statement any less stupid.

punchoutsb I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT IN BED SIZE MEANT SH.. TO ALI IN A FIGHT.........

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:punchoutsb I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT IN BED SIZE MEANT SH.. TO ALI IN A FIGHT.........

Again, no idea what you're talking about. Your almost illiterate sleight of hand posting technique is quite impressive.

punchoutsb wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:punchoutsb I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT IN BED SIZE MEANT SH.. TO ALI IN A FIGHT.........

Again, no idea what you're talking about. Your almost illiterate sleight of hand posting technique is quite impressive.

YOU KEEP SAYING IT...............................NO IDEA

Emmseegee wrote:I would seperate the big guys into different divisions.

Keep the heavyweight guys below a reasonable weight but still call that division heavyweight.
Let the lazy fattys and over sized odd balls fight it out for themselves in an 'oversized division' wearing vests.

Personally I despise the heavyweight division.

Don't watch it then.

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:punchoutsb I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT IN BED SIZE MEANT SH.. TO ALI IN A FIGHT.........

Again, no idea what you're talking about. Your almost illiterate sleight of hand posting technique is quite impressive.

YOU KEEP SAYING IT...............................NO IDEA

Definitely keep adding the faces...and leave the boxing talk to us.