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Horse wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:I also think he's better than Arreola and has beaten better fighters more recently. I didn't make the list.

But you said that you think Arreola should overtake Cunningham.

Ok, geez, I think they're about even. If they fought I'd certainly predict Cunningham would win, but ranking aren't always based on who would win but what they've done. For example, I'd put Joshua in the top 5 easily right now talentwise but I wouldn't rank him that highly because he hasn't fought good enough opposition yet.

Cunningham lost a disputed decision but I suppose you have to take the result into account even when you don't agree with it. After recalling Cunningham did have two wins in 2014 against Mansour whose a top 15 type guy and beat an undefeated unheralded Visona, you can make a good case Cunningham should be marginally ahead of Arreola.

Tony1244 wrote:Cunningham lost a disputed decision but I suppose you have to take the result into account even when you don't agree with it. After recalling Cunningham did have two wins in 2014 against Mansour whose a top 15 type guy and beat an undefeated unheralded Visona, you can make a good case Cunningham should be marginally ahead of Arreola.

I've got Cunningham 13 places above Arreola in my list.

Cunningham is a much better fighter in my opinion.

Cunningham down to #12
Glazkov #6
Arreola down to 13
Harper unranked

Glazkov remains at #6, Cunningham to #12.

Arreola to #15, Harper remains unranked.

Cunningham out.

Arreola to #15.

Belanio wrote:Cunningham out.

Arreola to #15.

Glazkov?

Freedom2013 wrote:Glazkov remains at #6, Cunningham to #12.

Arreola to #15, Harper remains unranked.

Did you think Glazkov deserved the win?

Horse wrote:

Freedom2013 wrote:Glazkov remains at #6, Cunningham to #12.

Arreola to #15, Harper remains unranked.

Did you think Glazkov deserved the win?

It was very close, but yes.

The HBO commentary (especially that of Max Kellerman, who was openly rooting for Cunningham) was very biased and misleading.

French-Canadian TV commentators scored it 115-113 for Glazkov.

I thought Amir Mansour was robbed against Cunningham, both by the judges and by referee Steve Smoger, who loves Philly boxers. Cunningham never fazed Mansour once, while Mansour hurt him several times and in fact should have had a stoppage win.

Topic A - How are the rankings affected by Vyacheslav Glazkov's UD12 win over Steve Cunningham?

My vote: Glazkov up to #2, Cunningham drops out.

Topic B - How are the rankings affected by Chris Arreola's UD8 win over Curtis Harper?

My vote: Arreola drops out, Harper remains unranked.

Simon Lock wrote:Topic A - How are the rankings affected by Vyacheslav Glazkov's UD12 win over Steve Cunningham?

My vote: Glazkov up to #2, Cunningham drops out.

Awful.

Freedom2013 wrote:

Horse wrote:

Freedom2013 wrote:Glazkov remains at #6, Cunningham to #12.

Arreola to #15, Harper remains unranked.

Did you think Glazkov deserved the win?

It was very close, but yes.

The HBO commentary (especially that of Max Kellerman, who was openly rooting for Cunningham) was very biased and misleading.

French-Canadian TV commentators scored it 115-113 for Glazkov.

I thought Amir Mansour was robbed against Cunningham, both by the judges and by referee Steve Smoger, who loves Philly boxers. Cunningham never fazed Mansour once, while Mansour hurt him several times and in fact should have had a stoppage win.

Anti-American bias, etc.

jezzamundo wrote:

Belanio wrote:Cunningham out.

Arreola to #15.

Glazkov?

Just saw the fight. Glazkov to #2.
I don´t agree with the public "robberry" opinion.

Votes have been tallied, Glazkov remains at #6, Cunningham drops to #12, Arreola drops to #13.

Champion: Wladimir Klitschko
1. Alexander Povetkin
2. Tyson Fury
3. Deontay Wilder
4. Kubrat Pulev
5. Bryant Jennings
6. Vyacheslav Glazkov
7. Bermane Stiverne
8. Carlos Takam
9. Tony Thompson
10. Dereck Chisora
11. Artur Szpilka
12. Steve Cunningham
13. Chris Arreola
14. Ruslan Chagaev
15. Mike Perez

cool

noticed how ridiculous it is in the lack of fights between those top 15

cold187 wrote:cool

noticed how ridiculous it is in the lack of fights between those top 15

I was thinking the same thing. Klitschko is the only guy with multiple top 15 wins. Fuckers dont want to go in the ring with each other and then they say its Klitschkos fault that division is weak.

Belanio wrote:Just saw the fight. Glazkov to #2.
I don´t agree with the public "robberry" opinion.

So you voted Cunningham out without watching the fight?

Horse wrote:

Belanio wrote:Just saw the fight. Glazkov to #2.
I don´t agree with the public "robberry" opinion.

So you voted Cunningham out without watching the fight?

Of course! He was always overrated at heavyweight. :P

Belanio wrote:Of course! He was always overrated at heavyweight. :P

But you think Glazkov should be at No. 2 even though most people thought Cunningham beat him.

Fury would beat Glazkov fairly easily. There's no way Glazkov should be above him.

No one has a right to complain about boxrec's computerized rankings when the boxrec posters themselves are utterly terrible at ranking fighters.

Lackeos wrote:No one has a right to complain about boxrec's computerized rankings when the boxrec posters themselves are utterly terrible at ranking fighters.

I agree that people shouldn't complain about the BoxRec computerized rankings so much. I also agree that we get some fairly shoddy votes. However, because the topics are determined by the median vote, not the mean, outlandish votes don't make much of a difference. Some poor decisions have been made in the past (the most common, I feel, is not adequately rewarding fighters for winning - followed by overly penalizing fighters for losing, both in combination result in inactive fighters steadily creeping higher up the rankings) but in general I believe that these BoxRec forum rankings have always been a better reflection of where the division stands than any computerized rankings, and certainly better than any of the alphabet governing bodies.

I agree with the posted rankings. I had Glazkov winning by two points. He was not, however, very impressive. Even the Elephant Man from England could beat him.