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Freedom2013 wrote:French-Canadian media:

Al Haymon has given the OK to Kovalev-Stevenson and advised Yvon Michel to contact the WBC in order to set up a unification. They'd like to have the fight in Montreal or Quebec City in the Fall of 2015.

Cloutov will likely have more details tomorrow.

Cloutov wrote:Looks like Freedom is right, Haymon approved the fight. But we are still a long way to make the fight . First the WBC need to get a date for bid, then Mohammedi will have to step aside for a second fight ( if not Kovalev could be strip or he fights him first) and finally you have the HBO, Showtime problem.
At least we have Stevenson,his promoter and Al asking for the fight.

Cloutov wrote:Looks like Freedom is right, Haymon approved the fight. But we are still a long way to make the fight . First the WBC need to get a date for bid, then Mohammedi will have to step aside for a second fight ( if not Kovalev could be strip or he fights him first) and finally you have the HBO, Showtime problem.
At least we have Stevenson,his promoter and Al asking for the fight.

ikorolev wrote:

Cloutov wrote:Looks like Freedom is right, Haymon approved the fight. But we are still a long way to make the fight . First the WBC need to get a date for bid, then Mohammedi will have to step aside for a second fight ( if not Kovalev could be strip or he fights him first) and finally you have the HBO, Showtime problem.
At least we have Stevenson,his promoter and Al asking for the fight.

WBC will let Kovalev to fight his IBF mandatory and will set a date for the bid right after that.

Cloutov wrote:WBC just set the purse bid for april 17.

crusader wrote:If PBC is going to have its own belt and the big four titles aren't recognized during the broadcasts, what is the relevance of major ABC belts to Haymon fighters?

fergusg wrote: Some moronic casual fans believe that a prime version of Mike Tyson was far superior to the likes of Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali and Evander Holyfied, but us hard-core fans know for certain that isn’t true…

So if Al Haymon doesn’t win the WBC’s purse bid to stage a fight between Adonis Stevenson and Sergey Kovalev, the fight won't happen and the Canadian will probably be considered by casual boxing observers as THE MAN in the light heavyweight division when in excess of 4millio viewers tune in to see the PBC.

fergusg wrote:
Some moronic casual fans believe that a prime version of Mike Tyson was far superior to the likes of Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali and Evander Holyfied, but us hard-core fans know for certain that isn’t true…

fergusg wrote:I don’t believe that Kovalev himself has some sort of exclusivity contract with HBO

If Main Events won the purse bid, then the fight simply won’t materialise, because HBO & Haymon refuse to work with each other. So I suspect that Adonis would have to consider dropping his rancid WBC 175lb title, which would instantly be awarded to Kovalev.

The WBC’s purse bid has actually created an interesting scenario, whereby political hurdles that normally prevent most bouts, would actually be discarded, as the highest bidder would control all aspects of staging the fight!

fergusg wrote:

fergusg wrote:Some moronic casual fans believe that a prime version of Mike Tyson was far superior to the likes of Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali and Evander Holyfied, but us hard-core fans know for certain that isn’t true…

I was making a point that in terms of legacy, the overwhelming sentiments of the mainstream masses decides whether a fighter goes down in the annals of history.

In regards to my specific comments about Mike Tyson, fantasy fights are admittedly a bit of fun and there are no scientific nor technical means to quantify my statement, as it’s impossible to categorically backup my claims with irrefutable facts.

The thing is, I believe that Mike Tyson was a highly talented fighter that failed to fulfil his enormous potential.

Here are some things I’ve noticed about him:
• Tyson never overcame adversity
• The calibre of his opponents available during his first world title reign were really quite poor
• Mike’s power seemed to diminish greatly as the fight wore on, as he never stopped an opponent from the 8th round onwards since he won the world title
• The best victory on his resume came against a terrified and fleshy opponent that typically weighed 175lbs or less for all bar four contests of his career
• Tyson was incapable of adapting his fighting style towards the nature of the challenge posed by his opponent if they had somehow gained the winning momentum for a prolonged period during a contest, which meant that he was one-dimensional in his approach
• Mike was essentially past-his-prime at the tender age of 22 years of age
• Tyson is far less accomplished than Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali in terms of championship belts, length of title reign, amount of undisputed world champions faced
• ‘Iron’ Mike appeared to quit against the likes of Holyfield, Lewis, Williams and McBride

In terms of Mike Tyson’s world championship winning victories, in the context of the stage of their career his opponents were at, could you honestly claim that the level of competition he defeated warrants comparison to the men that Ali and Louis faced? :??

For example:
• Bruce Seldon
• Carl Williams
• Frank Bruno
• Michael Spinks
• Tony Tubbs
• Larry Holmes
• Tyrell Biggs
• Tony Tucker
• Pinklon Thomas
• James Smith
• Trevor Berbick

fergusg wrote:

ReggieDiggs wrote:

fergusg wrote:If Main Events won the purse bid, then the fight simply won’t materialise, because HBO & Haymon refuse to work with each other. So I suspect that Adonis would have to consider dropping his rancid WBC 175lb title, which would instantly be awarded to Kovalev.

Cmon man. That isn't true. HBO has banned Al from HBO. Its not a two way street. HBO threw the first punch here. If Al is willing to still work with HBO is unknown cuz HBO banned him.

I agree with most of the things you say, but I’m not sure about the above point.

You’re absolutely right that HBO threw the first proverbial punch when they broke ties with Al Haymon. That’s an irrefutable fact!

You are also correct in saying that none of us know for certain what Haymon’s stance is in regards to HBO, since he won’t talk to the media.

That being said, it’s pointless to speculate who started what and why, because Haymon and HBO simply don’t work with each other… EVER… and we both know that the Mayweather-Pacquiao is a huge exception to the rule considering the several hundred million dollars that are in play.

fergusg wrote:

ReggieDiggs wrote:Brother you are switching up the conversation. At first you were talking about prime vs prime. Which is f#cking silly as mentioned. Its a childs conversation about who's daddy can win in a fight. Now you are making it some resume dick measuring or some "Rocky" its not how many times you get knocked down but how many times you get up that matters stuff lol. But to stick with where you swayed the conversation, ATG is silly too. Its again another silly ass scifi conversation to either measure guys in a vacuum or to try to predict how Tyson woulda did in Ali's era or how Ali woulda did in Tyson's era.

I already agreed with this point. I merely explained my own personal stance in regards to specific silly fantasy fights.

We seem to agree on most things, but you still argue and I don’t know why.

Perhaps I’m not articulating my thoughts clearly?

fergusg wrote:

ReggieDiggs wrote:I'd say the burden of proof would be on you though. You are saying Al & HBO refuse to work together. Thats not the facts we have on the table.

The burden of proof?

HBO & Al Haymon simply don’t work together. There’s nothing else to say on the matter.

Of course, there are exceptions to that rule, such as the millions of dollars on offer for the Mayweather-Pacquiao bout, but that one unique situation doesn’t undermine the common rule.

What sort of facts do you need me to supply, other than the fact that HBO & Haymon don’t work together?

fergusg wrote: The burden of proof?

HBO & Al Haymon simply don’t work together.

fergusg wrote:

ReggieDiggs wrote:

fergusg wrote: The burden of proof?

HBO & Al Haymon simply don’t work together.

Yes, you are saying something there is no proof of.

Thus HBO & Al not working together doesn't equal HBO & Al refuse to work together like you keep acting like it does.

Thats what I'm saying. Its not that complicated.

There is also no proof of pigs not being able to fly, but regardless of the reason... THEY DON'T!

The bottom line: HBO & Al Haymon don't do business with each other (unless hundreds of millions of dollars are involved).

That is all that matters.