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fergusg wrote: From what I recall, Roc Nation’s seemingly generous offers to Al Haymon fighters like Adrien Broner, Keith Thurman, Deontay Wilder and Peter Quillin have all been turned down… and all they wanted to do was to promote these fighters.

I don’t recall there being any evidence suggesting that these offers came with a stipulation that they had to drop Al Haymon as their “advisor”.

So it seems to me that Roc Nation seemed to attempt to poach Golden Boy fighters rather than Al Haymon fighters, as strange as it seems now that all the aforementioned guys have left Oscar’s company.

That being said, it seems that Al Haymon has no intention of assisting Roc Nations entrance into the sport of boxing, unless he’s allowed to call the shots (especially after the Beyonce fraudulent accusations debacle).

Poach was more fun wording than a fact cuz I'm not really suggesting RN was trying to get rid of Al by signing Al's guys. In fact I've openly admitted I got no clue wtf RN was trying to do cuz it makes no sense to me.

From what I can see Al prefers to keep his fighters promotionally liquid so to speak. He likes to be able to have them unaffiliated contractually or at least become affiliated via handshakes rather than purse bids. There in lies the problem with trying to send offers to Al's guys for any promoter & why its not a fruitful enterprise.

Tbqh it wouldn't surprise me entirely to learn RN was unaware of their affiliation with Al cuz they've seemed to be largely walking around with a big wallet bumping into sh!t during their short run in pro boxing, but that would be a hell of a coincidence I'll admit.

Who has RN signed that was with Oscar? I know he's signed several smaller guys at this point, but so far its the Andre, Miguel & Dusty show.

Cotto is an idiot. Since DUCKING the Canelo fight, he has continually made an ass of himself.
1. Signing with Roc Nation ...
2. ... which effectively ends any fight against Haymon's HUGE roster, and maybe even Floyd.
3. He also managed to piss off TR, which then makes his fight negotiations hell because Bob has enough fighters and influence on/in HBO
to box Cotto out of most reasonably big fights.
4. He now basically has to fight Canelo ... or there's only GGG left. This reduces the immense bargaining power he had for the fight he just DUCKED.
5. Now he can't even secure a fight with K9? K9 talks all that God shit, but K9 would sell his soul to devils of several religions for a Cotto fight.

Heiland has a fair chance of beating Cotto, Especially if he turns out to be better than the macklin fight.

Aaronide_ger wrote:Heiland has a fair chance of beating Cotto, Especially if he turns out to be better than the macklin fight.

If Heiland shows up in the same shape as in Macklin fight, he will beat a crap out of Cotto. Cotto's only chance would be to run for the whole fight, but it is not his style.

zorndeslammes wrote:I have no idea what happened with Gary Shaw but obviously the breakdown there was key because it took from them practically all their B-C level guys to fill cards with. They'll be lucky to not collapse full scale within a year. Good luck to Cotto and Ward if they end up with promotional contracts that keep them out of the ring even longer.

I think RN is bankrolled for a longer run in boxing even with all these issues they are having. I think the reality that PBC could be a new extremely powerful super power in the sport (along with HBO) could limit RN's ability to get very far even with their two big name guys which might be the bigger problem for them then in being successful after some early failings.

Yawn.

Hopefully GGG will see that Cotto is running scared and move up after beating WMJ.

ikorolev wrote:

Aaronide_ger wrote:Heiland has a fair chance of beating Cotto, Especially if he turns out to be better than the macklin fight.

If Heiland shows up in the same shape as in Macklin fight, he will beat a crap out of Cotto. Cotto's only chance would be to run for the whole fight, but it is not his style.

Ohh Yea, u can bet on that.

I like Heiland too, He is still 28 years old, plenty to improve

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Cotto is an idiot. Since DUCKING the Canelo fight, he has continually made an ass of himself.
1. Signing with Roc Nation ...
2. ... which effectively ends any fight against Haymon's HUGE roster, and maybe even Floyd.
3. He also managed to piss off TR, which then makes his fight negotiations hell because Bob has enough fighters and influence on/in HBO
to box Cotto out of most reasonably big fights.
4. He now basically has to fight Canelo ... or there's only GGG left. This reduces the immense bargaining power he had for the fight he just DUCKED.
5. Now he can't even secure a fight with K9? K9 talks all that God poo, but K9 would sell his soul to devils of several religions for a Cotto fight.

LOL yea this is basically the layout for Miguel right now. The only thing we don't know is the upside to Miguel's future & bank account that this move has had. And imho it was a pretty f#cking good one cuz despite his mouth breather look & persona & where he's standing right now I think Miguel has made some very good business decisions in boxing to have been where he's been & be where he's at. Thus he didn't get into this position without being compensated.

Miguel's got one foot out the door & will won't be shocked if this three fight deal is his last three. He"ll fight in June, later this year to cash out vs Saul (maybe GGG if things get desperate) & then a farewell fight vs some marginal guy.

It would seem to me that a fight against someone like Andrade, who has a belt and is unbeaten at least would make the most sense for an opponent. I have not watched the Hieland guy, but with 4 losses against no-names it seems like more of a tune up fight than anything. Yes, he knocked out Macklin late, but Macklin couldn't even go 3 with GGG. Roc nation may regret the big contract they gave Cotto, time will tell I guess. The last time Cotto did something similar thinking he had a tune-up, he got beat soundly, by Trout. A rematch there would make sense too.