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brook has to be higher than frampton........beating a undefeated fighter in usa beats framptons win in belfast..........

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Switch hitter wrote:Once again Groves far too high....

He's not though.[/quote

I think there's only you that thinks that....

i like to suggest a couple of surprises but i shall resist in upset horse

Gnome wrote:Anthony Joshua? Or too early?

Too early.

If he beats Johnson next month then he'll probably enter.

G0mez wrote:I'd have Brook & Khan above Frampton.

And I say that as a big Frampton fan.

2 victories over Kiko Martinez doesn't trump Brook's American raid or Khan's wins over Judah, Malignaggi, Devon Alexander, Collazo, Kotelnik - all world champions at some point across two different weight classes.

Kotelnik - 5 years & 8 months ago
Malignaggi - 4 years & 10 months ago
Maidana - 4 years & 4 months ago
Judah - 3 years & 8 months ago

Khan's only win against a top 10 ranked fighter in the last 3 years is against Alexander and he was coming off a recent whitewash loss against Porter.

Khan's overall record is better than Frampton's and Brook's, but his record over the last 3 years is clearly inferior to theirs.

Frampton has wins over Molitor, Cazares & Avalos. So, it isn't just his two wins against Martinez which is putting him above Brook & Khan.

Switch hitter wrote:But he LOST both fights and looked crap since.........

Groves hasn't looked crap. He won his two recent fights easily.

freddydoesdallas wrote:Not only lost he was stopped once and then ktfo second time. P4P surely his chin comes into question. Murray lasted longer against GGG whereas any good level SMW goes the distance with Froch

Bute didn't go the distance.

handsofstone wrote:I actually thought Hall beat Butler,by a point if I remember right,I still think Paul deserves to be above though but decent list

I scored it a draw.

Butler was dominated and destroyed in his last fight. That's got to count against him.

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Switch hitter wrote:But he LOST both fights and looked crap since.........

Groves hasn't looked crap. He won his two recent fights easily.

Against average opponents.....he did not look top 10 in these rankings

I thought Groves boxed very well against Rebrasse without looking explosive but he was awful against Douglan but pulled it off with a great finish

los2 wrote:brook has to be higher than frampton........beating a undefeated fighter in usa beats framptons win in belfast..........

swap them round horse.................

Ian1973 wrote:I'd put Murray above DeGale and Groves one place below DeGale. Kevin Mitchell should be approx 19 / 20. Other than that the list gets a thumbs up from me.

For me DeGale and Groves are on better form than Murray right now. If Murray has a decent comeback win soon then he can overtake them.

I don't like the way Mitchell's career has gone since the Burns loss. I don't think he deserves to be in the top 20 at the moment. If he beats Linares next month then that will change things.

Ian1973 wrote:It's hard to know where to place Ricky Burns at the moment. I think he's completely shot but one win could change everything.

He's seemed mentally shot rather than physically shot.

I still think there's a fair chance he can achieve something with the rest of his career.

cocka09 wrote:I understand why Northern Irish fihters are included. But Andy Lee is Irish, he is not Britis in any way.

He was born in London and spent the first 13 or so years of his life in Britain, so he is a bit British.

I include all Irish fighters to make things more simple. I put (Irish) next to their names to show that I'm not pretending that they're not Irish.

los2 wrote:brook has to be higher than frampton........beating a undefeated fighter in usa beats framptons win in belfast..........

It's not all about their best win though. If we take the best single win off both of their records then Frampton has the better record.

There isn't much in it though and Brook can overtake Frampton even if his next defence is only okay.

Switch hitter wrote:I think there's only you that thinks that....

I'm not sure why that would be, but sometimes it is lonely being right.

ajwesty13 wrote:i like to suggest a couple of surprises but i shall resist in upset horse

Please continue.

Horse wrote:

ajwesty13 wrote:i like to suggest a couple of surprises but i shall resist in upset horse

Please continue.

Just thought quigg would be above Murray due to MM loss thats all mate

Switch hitter wrote:Against average opponents.....he did not look top 10 in these rankings

I'm pretty sure Groves is still a consensus British top 10 P4P boxer.

People keep saying he looked awful in his last two fights, but I don't see it. They weren't world level opponents, but he won both fights easily, so I don't understand the level of criticism he has been.

Horse wrote:

Switch hitter wrote:I think there's only you that thinks that....

I'm not sure why that would be, but sometimes it is lonely being right.

I can imagine when you think like that.

handsofstone wrote:I thought Groves boxed very well against Rebrasse without looking explosive but he was awful against Douglan but pulled it off with a great finish

He was lackluster against Douglin, but he still won without much trouble in the end. Douglin is not some low level journeyman either.

los2 wrote:swap them round horse.................

That's not how I see it.

ajwesty13 wrote:Just thought quigg would be above Murray due to MM loss thats all mate

Quigg's not fought anyone like Sturm, Martinez or Golovkin yet.

Murray belongs above him for now.

Switch hitter wrote:I can imagine when you think like that.

I stand for what I believe in, even if what I believe in stops me from breathin'.

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freddydoesdallas wrote:Not only lost he was stopped once and then ktfo second time. P4P surely his chin comes into question. Murray lasted longer against GGG whereas any good level SMW goes the distance with Froch

Bute didn't go the distance.

My point exactly!

freddydoesdallas wrote:My point exactly!

Bute was a world class super middleweight. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong.