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ikorolev wrote:

tanibanana wrote:Catchweight almost always favor the bigger guys.. So on this regard, there is nothing to takeaway from Cotto.

Bullsh1t. Most of boxers can barely make normal weight. How is additional dehydration beneficial for them ???

they don't fight right after the weight in, they rehydrate more than a complete day.

Pureist wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Hey idiots, like 50%+ of all boxing matches are fought at a catch weight. Haven't you noticed that boxing NEEDS more weight classes than every other weight class sport? Of course it is just to milk more money from having more champions, but whatever ... I've been told by some of the geniuses here they are all necessary because a 147 pound man has an insurmountable advantage over a 140 pound man ... even though MANY fights end up with one fighter having a significant weight advantage come fight night.

Who gives a poo about catchweights? Just f#cking fight. There is a 130 pound weight class and a 135 pound weight class. Until some/most of you idiots start addressing the real problems, then you'll always have bullshit discussions like this.

Accept the fight, accept the result princesses

Not that simple when the handicap will almost certainly assure your defeat, yet it is the biggest payday available (perhaps even a career payday that means you never have to worry about money again).

You can't create a Poll asking if only one person is the CW King and have no other options to choose from, this entire thread is biased.

Some of the others that should be on this list or at the top are:

Pacquiao
Oscar
SRL
Hopkins

At least give us some other options, Cotto hardly qualifies ahead of Manny Pacquiao.

KBB wrote:You can't create a Poll asking if only one person is the CW King and have no other options to choose from, this entire thread is biased.

Some of the others that should be on this list or at the top are:

Pacquiao
Oscar
SRL
Hopkins

At least give us some other options, Cotto hardly qualifies ahead of Manny Pacquiao.

No one qualifies ahead of Pacquiao (or even comes close) when it comes to playing games with weight, whether it is called a catchweight or not.

Once again, if ABC orgs were not allowing catch weight for title fights, we would see a lot less of that crap.

koolkc107 wrote:

KBB wrote:You can't create a Poll asking if only one person is the CW King and have no other options to choose from, this entire thread is biased.

Some of the others that should be on this list or at the top are:

Pacquiao
Oscar
SRL
Hopkins

At least give us some other options, Cotto hardly qualifies ahead of Manny Pacquiao.

No one qualifies ahead of Pacquiao (or even comes close) when it comes to playing games with weight, whether it is called a catchweight or not.

+1

One who can't even spell boxing (Rios) and is a crude, no defense having brawler and a Blown up LW
The other can't bust a Grape in Welch's backyard with his punches and is another blown up LW (Algieri).

So yes, you are correct; Manny played the games with weight the best and deserves his rightful title of Catchweight King of Boxing!! (Undisputed)

KBB wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

KBB wrote:You can't create a Poll asking if only one person is the CW King and have no other options to choose from, this entire thread is biased.

Some of the others that should be on this list or at the top are:

Pacquiao
Oscar
SRL
Hopkins

At least give us some other options, Cotto hardly qualifies ahead of Manny Pacquiao.

No one qualifies ahead of Pacquiao (or even comes close) when it comes to playing games with weight, whether it is called a catchweight or not.

+1

One who can't even spell boxing (Rios) and is a crude, no defense having brawler and a Blown up LW
The other can't bust a Grape in Welch's backyard with his punches and is another blown up LW (Algieri).

So yes, you are correct; Manny played the games with weight the best and deserves his rightful title of Catchweight King of Boxing!! (Undisputed)

Manny is the catchweight king, no question, but there is no way Algieri is a blown up LW. He is more of drained light middle. Rios is huge too, much bigger than Manny.

Yes he is. He's about to impose his 3 CW. For comparison, Pac imposed 2, as did JMM. But Pac never asked for one till he climbed to his 7th weight division, 10 above his starting. Nobody has gone as many divisions without a CW. Cotto for example asked for one in his 3rd. Plus Pac never asked to defend his title against a divisional opponent at a CW, Cotto has done it twice and it's disgraceful. Though the single most disgraceful CW demand came from Floyd, who was a reigning, 2x SWW champ and demanded to unify the belts (including lineal) at a CW.

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:Yes he is. He's about to impose his 3 CW. For comparison, Pac imposed 2, as did JMM. But Pac never asked for one till he climbed to his 7th weight division, 10 above his starting. Nobody has gone as many divisions without a CW. Cotto for example asked for one in his 3rd. Plus Pac never asked to defend his title against a divisional opponent at a CW, Cotto has done it twice and it's disgraceful. Though the single most disgraceful CW demand came from Floyd, who was a reigning, 2x SWW champ and demanded to unify the belts (including lineal) at a CW.

So Cotto was worse than this?

When Sergio Martinez vacated his 154lb championship for opportunities in a division north, he left a power vacuum, an opportunity for two contenders to battle it out for what is traditionally referred to in boxing as a “paper title,” or a title that was not earned by beating the legitimate belt holder. Normally, this vacant spot at the top is contended between the #1 and #2 ranked fighter in that division by the sanctioning body, in this case the World Boxing Council (WBC).

But instead of having the fight between the two next in line, the WBC decided to sanction a bout between Manny Pacquiao, a fighter who had never campaigned in the 154lb division and Antonio Margarito, who most recently came off a lackluster performance against the unranked Roberto Garcia in the same weight class. Hardly resumes (or lack thereof) that warrant a title shot.

Additionally, Margarito spent one year in exodus after being caught for attempted use of illegal handwraps in his bout against Shane Mosley. It makes you wonder why out of all the fighters in the division, Team Pacquiao chose an undeserving fighter with a history of cheating.

On top of that, the fight was sanctioned at yet another catchweight of 150lbs, where Pacquiao not only came in under the limit of 150, but in a completely different weight class, tipping the scales at 144.6 lbs during the weigh-in, which begs the question: why not just fight at the welterweight division of 147? If you want to be considered the 154lb champion, why not let your opponents come in at the weight that is traditionally stipulated by the rules of boxing?

http://www.iexaminer.org/2010/12/tragic ... -pacquiao/

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:Yes he is. He's about to impose his 3 CW. For comparison, Pac imposed 2, as did JMM. But Pac never asked for one till he climbed to his 7th weight division, 10 above his starting. Nobody has gone as many divisions without a CW. Cotto for example asked for one in his 3rd. Plus Pac never asked to defend his title against a divisional opponent at a CW, Cotto has done it twice and it's disgraceful. Though the single most disgraceful CW demand came from Floyd, who was a reigning, 2x SWW champ and demanded to unify the belts (including lineal) at a CW.

Good post. Exactly why Floyd is the catchweight king. The single most exploitative embarrassing catchweight in boxing history by the self proclaimed best ever.

Ricky_ wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:Yes he is. He's about to impose his 3 CW. For comparison, Pac imposed 2, as did JMM. But Pac never asked for one till he climbed to his 7th weight division, 10 above his starting. Nobody has gone as many divisions without a CW. Cotto for example asked for one in his 3rd. Plus Pac never asked to defend his title against a divisional opponent at a CW, Cotto has done it twice and it's disgraceful. Though the single most disgraceful CW demand came from Floyd, who was a reigning, 2x SWW champ and demanded to unify the belts (including lineal) at a CW.

Good post. Exactly why Floyd is the catchweight king. The single most exploitative embarrassing catchweight in boxing history by the self proclaimed best ever.

It's double disgraceful since less than a year prior dumba$$ Floyd claimed Cotto was undefeated cause Pac fought him at a CW.

Ricky_ wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:Yes he is. He's about to impose his 3 CW. For comparison, Pac imposed 2, as did JMM. But Pac never asked for one till he climbed to his 7th weight division, 10 above his starting. Nobody has gone as many divisions without a CW. Cotto for example asked for one in his 3rd. Plus Pac never asked to defend his title against a divisional opponent at a CW, Cotto has done it twice and it's disgraceful. Though the single most disgraceful CW demand came from Floyd, who was a reigning, 2x SWW champ and demanded to unify the belts (including lineal) at a CW.

Good post. Exactly why Floyd is the catchweight king. The single most exploitative embarrassing catchweight in boxing history by the self proclaimed best ever.

So let me get this straight.

It is worse to have a guy come in at the exactly same weight he won his belt at than to fight for a belt you never earned any ranking in the divsion for.

It is worse to fight 2 pounds under a belt's limit than 4 pounds under a belt's limit.

It is worse to fight for the lineal title in a division than to to have a fight between two guys with absolutely NO CLAIM WHATSOEVER to a sanctioning body's belt.

OK, gotcha...

koolkc107 wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:Yes he is. He's about to impose his 3 CW. For comparison, Pac imposed 2, as did JMM. But Pac never asked for one till he climbed to his 7th weight division, 10 above his starting. Nobody has gone as many divisions without a CW. Cotto for example asked for one in his 3rd. Plus Pac never asked to defend his title against a divisional opponent at a CW, Cotto has done it twice and it's disgraceful. Though the single most disgraceful CW demand came from Floyd, who was a reigning, 2x SWW champ and demanded to unify the belts (including lineal) at a CW.

So Cotto was worse than this?

When Sergio Martinez vacated his 154lb championship for opportunities in a division north, he left a power vacuum, an opportunity for two contenders to battle it out for what is traditionally referred to in boxing as a “paper title,” or a title that was not earned by beating the legitimate belt holder. Normally, this vacant spot at the top is contended between the #1 and #2 ranked fighter in that division by the sanctioning body, in this case the World Boxing Council (WBC).

But instead of having the fight between the two next in line, the WBC decided to sanction a bout between Manny Pacquiao, a fighter who had never campaigned in the 154lb division and Antonio Margarito, who most recently came off a lackluster performance against the unranked Roberto Garcia in the same weight class. Hardly resumes (or lack thereof) that warrant a title shot.

Additionally, Margarito spent one year in exodus after being caught for attempted use of illegal handwraps in his bout against Shane Mosley. It makes you wonder why out of all the fighters in the division, Team Pacquiao chose an undeserving fighter with a history of cheating.

On top of that, the fight was sanctioned at yet another catchweight of 150lbs, where Pacquiao not only came in under the limit of 150, but in a completely different weight class, tipping the scales at 144.6 lbs during the weigh-in, which begs the question: why not just fight at the welterweight division of 147? If you want to be considered the 154lb champion, why not let your opponents come in at the weight that is traditionally stipulated by the rules of boxing?

http://www.iexaminer.org/2010/12/tragic ... -pacquiao/

It was a joke of a belt, everybody knows that. But then nobody else has won 8 divisional belts without a CW, not even close. Then after Pac destroyed Marg, SWW champ Cotto demanded to defend against one-eyed Margarito at 150 with a 160 rehydration clause lol. He only got 153, which is just comedy

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:Yes he is. He's about to impose his 3 CW. For comparison, Pac imposed 2, as did JMM. But Pac never asked for one till he climbed to his 7th weight division, 10 above his starting. Nobody has gone as many divisions without a CW. Cotto for example asked for one in his 3rd. Plus Pac never asked to defend his title against a divisional opponent at a CW, Cotto has done it twice and it's disgraceful. Though the single most disgraceful CW demand came from Floyd, who was a reigning, 2x SWW champ and demanded to unify the belts (including lineal) at a CW.

So Cotto was worse than this?

When Sergio Martinez vacated his 154lb championship for opportunities in a division north, he left a power vacuum, an opportunity for two contenders to battle it out for what is traditionally referred to in boxing as a “paper title,” or a title that was not earned by beating the legitimate belt holder. Normally, this vacant spot at the top is contended between the #1 and #2 ranked fighter in that division by the sanctioning body, in this case the World Boxing Council (WBC).

But instead of having the fight between the two next in line, the WBC decided to sanction a bout between Manny Pacquiao, a fighter who had never campaigned in the 154lb division and Antonio Margarito, who most recently came off a lackluster performance against the unranked Roberto Garcia in the same weight class. Hardly resumes (or lack thereof) that warrant a title shot.

Additionally, Margarito spent one year in exodus after being caught for attempted use of illegal handwraps in his bout against Shane Mosley. It makes you wonder why out of all the fighters in the division, Team Pacquiao chose an undeserving fighter with a history of cheating.

On top of that, the fight was sanctioned at yet another catchweight of 150lbs, where Pacquiao not only came in under the limit of 150, but in a completely different weight class, tipping the scales at 144.6 lbs during the weigh-in, which begs the question: why not just fight at the welterweight division of 147? If you want to be considered the 154lb champion, why not let your opponents come in at the weight that is traditionally stipulated by the rules of boxing?

http://www.iexaminer.org/2010/12/tragic ... -pacquiao/

It was a joke of a belt, everybody knows that. But then nobody else has won 8 divisional belts without a CW, not even close. Then after Pac destroyed Marg, SWW champ Cotto demanded to defend against one-eyed Margarito at 150 with a 160 rehydration clause lol. He only got 153, which is just comedy

It was the worst abuse of catchweights in the history of the sport and it came in a fight between two guys with ZERO claim to the belt they fought for.

koolkc107 wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:Yes he is. He's about to impose his 3 CW. For comparison, Pac imposed 2, as did JMM. But Pac never asked for one till he climbed to his 7th weight division, 10 above his starting. Nobody has gone as many divisions without a CW. Cotto for example asked for one in his 3rd. Plus Pac never asked to defend his title against a divisional opponent at a CW, Cotto has done it twice and it's disgraceful. Though the single most disgraceful CW demand came from Floyd, who was a reigning, 2x SWW champ and demanded to unify the belts (including lineal) at a CW.

Good post. Exactly why Floyd is the catchweight king. The single most exploitative embarrassing catchweight in boxing history by the self proclaimed best ever.

So let me get this straight.

It is worse to have a guy come in at the exactly same weight he won his belt at than to fight for a belt you never earned any ranking in the divsion for.

It is worse to fight 2 pounds under a belt's limit than 4 pounds under a belt's limit.

It is worse to fight for the lineal title in a division than to to have a fight between two guys with absolutely NO CLAIM WHATSOEVER to a sanctioning body's belt.

OK, gotcha...

It disrespects the lineal belt, cheats history as Flo mos like to say. But not only that, if you already hold a belt at that weight, asking to unify at a CW makes you a paper champ, since you clearly can't handle the full weight against certain opponents. CWs are meant for coming up in weight, not for "champs" who try to weaken their rivals.

koolkc107 wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote: It was a joke of a belt, everybody knows that. But then nobody else has won 8 divisional belts without a CW, not even close. Then after Pac destroyed Marg, SWW champ Cotto demanded to defend against one-eyed Margarito at 150 with a 160 rehydration clause lol. He only got 153, which is just comedy

It was the worst abuse of catchweights in the history of the sport and it came in a fight between two guys with ZERO claim to the belt they fought for.

Again, everyone knows Pac's 8th belt is a joke, kinda like Floyd's 5th.

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:Yes he is. He's about to impose his 3 CW. For comparison, Pac imposed 2, as did JMM. But Pac never asked for one till he climbed to his 7th weight division, 10 above his starting. Nobody has gone as many divisions without a CW. Cotto for example asked for one in his 3rd. Plus Pac never asked to defend his title against a divisional opponent at a CW, Cotto has done it twice and it's disgraceful. Though the single most disgraceful CW demand came from Floyd, who was a reigning, 2x SWW champ and demanded to unify the belts (including lineal) at a CW.

Good post. Exactly why Floyd is the catchweight king. The single most exploitative embarrassing catchweight in boxing history by the self proclaimed best ever.

It's double disgraceful since less than a year prior dumba$$ Floyd claimed Cotto was undefeated cause Pac fought him at a CW.

Then spun it that canelo wanted the cw

I'm tellin you this guy has politicians on his pay roll.

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

Purse Bid Shakedown wrote: It was a joke of a belt, everybody knows that. But then nobody else has won 8 divisional belts without a CW, not even close. Then after Pac destroyed Marg, SWW champ Cotto demanded to defend against one-eyed Margarito at 150 with a 160 rehydration clause lol. He only got 153, which is just comedy

It was the worst abuse of catchweights in the history of the sport and it came in a fight between two guys with ZERO claim to the belt they fought for.

Again, everyone knows Pac's 8th belt is a joke, kinda like Floyd's 5th.

Nothing like Floyd's fifth.

And the fact you think they are comparable speaks volumes.

Yeah, Floyd was wrong holding Canelo to a statement he made a year and a half earlier.

But it gets nowhere near the farce Pac perpetrated.

There is no worse example of a star abusing his standing in the sport to dupe fans out of their hard earned money with a fight that meant absolutely nothing except a paycheck for one confirmed cheater and one suspected cheater.

koolkc107 wrote: Nothing like Floyd's fifth.

And the fact you think they are comparable speaks volumes.

Yeah, Floyd was wrong holding Canelo to a statement he made a year and a half earlier.

But it gets nowhere near the farce Pac perpetrated.

There is no worse example of a star abusing his standing in the sport to dupe fans out of their hard earned money with a fight that meant absolutely nothing except a paycheck for one confirmed cheater and one suspected cheater.

Both paper champs, in their 8th and 5th division, respectively, though there are differences of course. Honesty for one. For one, Pac gave up the belt on the spot, admitting that the 8th division is too much for him. Floyd OTOH won the belt from a blown up, past prime welter, then when facing a natural SWW closer to prime, demanded a CW. His next defense of the 154 belt came against a WW fringe contender at 147 lol. He's been a SWW "champ" (including lineal) for almost 3 years, without a single defense at the regulation weight.

No.

koolkc107 wrote:

Pureist wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Hey idiots, like 50%+ of all boxing matches are fought at a catch weight. Haven't you noticed that boxing NEEDS more weight classes than every other weight class sport? Of course it is just to milk more money from having more champions, but whatever ... I've been told by some of the geniuses here they are all necessary because a 147 pound man has an insurmountable advantage over a 140 pound man ... even though MANY fights end up with one fighter having a significant weight advantage come fight night.

Who gives a poo about catchweights? Just f#cking fight. There is a 130 pound weight class and a 135 pound weight class. Until some/most of you idiots start addressing the real problems, then you'll always have bullshit discussions like this.

Accept the fight, accept the result princesses

Not that simple when the handicap will almost certainly assure your defeat, yet it is the biggest payday available (perhaps even a career payday that means you never have to worry about money again).

Very simple, the boxer agreed to the weight, he has to accept the result, the only issue I see is the fans that bang on about it afterwards, they've all done it at the top, there would have been plenty of fights not go ahead if not for negotiations, how many posters have said GGG should move up, that means he will fight above his natural weight, probably calling for catch weights once he wins the title, STOP SOOKING, it's the fighters choise

Ricky_ wrote:Then spun it that canelo wanted the cw I'm tellin you this guy has politicians on his pay roll.

Really??


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1759 ... smart-plan

koolkc107 wrote:
Yeah, Floyd was wrong holding Canelo to a statement he made a year and a half earlier.

you really can't put a price on a good spin doctor. This one is up there with "Floyd loses weight after the weigh-in!".

Ricky_ wrote: you really can't put a price on a good spin doctor. This one is up there with "Floyd loses weight after the weigh-in!".

http://basementgymboxing.blogspot.com/2 ... -with.html

Some of the stupid arguments I read....seriously? Saying Floyd is much more of a catchweight king than Pac? You cannot be that fornicating dumb. Pac/Roach have played the weight game to their advantage in numerous fights. Only one time has Floyd made a guy cut weight (Canelo), and it was actually a gift if you think about it, since Canelo offered to go 150. Canelo made that offer a year earlier, but jumped right on Floyd's offer to make it 152 instead of 150. There was no objection from Canelo or his team, and it was their offer to go 152, not Floyd. Floyd's team even said at the time that they would have gladly went 154, but if they are dumb enough to offer 152, they went with it.

If you want the breakdown of Pac's last 10 fights, I can provide details of weight stipulations of either up/down to Pac's advantage. Roach is behind all of it.

I agree with the present Cotto catchweight crap, but guess what - Roach is his trainer.