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One good example to add to this is Pac beating a "weight drained" Cotto, even though the fight was at 145, Cotto weighed 146 the fight before. Then compare Floyd fighting a weight drained Canelo at 152, when he weighed 153 the fight before. Personally, I thought both were drained, but not severely enough that they would have won the fight with two more pounds. Its easy to spin it to go along with what you want to believe.

DLH was severely weight drained, but his own fault - even Roach admitted this. Roach also knew Hatton had ballooned up to 180+ and was depressed before draining back to 140 to fight Pac. Roach said DLH looked like a Ghost and couldn't even run one lap without stopping. Hatton was out running in the hot sun the day of the weigh in. Both Hatton and DLH were getting their asses handed to them in sparring. Both of their faults, and to be honest, Pac would have beat them anyway. Certain factors like being weight drained only taint the victory.

Pureist wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

Pureist wrote:http://youtu.be/XwbGSug-nJE --------------- watch this, you can't argue when it actually comes out of floyds mouth, this would hold up in a court of law, when you call yourself a rich coward for not fighting pacquaio, I'd call that an admission regarding ducking pacquaio, what else could it be

It is not an admission of ducking, it is an admission by Floyd of what he consistently maintained from Dec. 2009: that without random blood testing there would be no fight.

Uploaded almost 2 and a half years after the first negotiation, and almost 2 years after the ghost negotiation, all this does is underline how much Manny waffled back and forth on drug testing. He'd maintain he agreed to testing, when in fact all he agreed to were dates he knew in advance. That aint random blood testing.

The fact that Manny did not use totally random testing until the Rios fight- over 4 years after he supposedly agreed to it- speaks more volumes than any video Floyd ever made.

No, that's a duck, no question about it, pacquaio has never tested positive, ever, it's a duck, pacquaio agreed to a sample being taken straight after the fight, do you think in the space of 45 minutes any trace of peds would disappear, floyd was ducking, as for KBB saying about the 10 million penalty, do you remember what weight he came in at for JMM, he has history

Prior to him actually testing randomly in 2013 (four years after he ducked Mayweather and lost at least 30 million over a teaspoon of blood) the only thing we were sure of him agreeing to were TOTALLY NONRANDOM DATES.

He wanted to know exactly when each and every test would be coming.

So folks suspicious of him cheating ask a valid question- if you are clean, why do you need to know what day and time each test is?

And yes, a sample taken right after the fight would be meaningless if a guy cycled off of whatever he was using days or weeks later.
EPO (one of the substances mentioned by those critical of Manny), cycles out in a matter of hours, for example

I am posting these links so folks who are in the dark can understand just how much of a farce the HBO offering was. It is one thing to back your fighter, anyone would get that. But quite another to willfully alter, bend, and omit the truth to back your guy. That is what HBO did.

Ben Thompson of Floydhype has the most comprehensive chronicle of the negotiations. But his only goes up to 2011. And I am unable to post them here as they are being treated as spam. Just do a search for "fight hype timeline" and you will get it. Links from two other articles are included to bring things up to date. You CANNOT know the facts (as presented in these articles) and think well of what HBO did.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2329 ... quiao-saga

http://thaboxingvoice.com/the-history-o ... 334?var=no

Decide for yourselves who does a less biased job:


Showtime (episodes 1 & 2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiO6-5Qj4Zs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10nI8r22wcw

HBO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hF76dlQt23c

Badhusker wrote:One good example to add to this is Pac beating a "weight drained" Cotto, even though the fight was at 145, Cotto weighed 146 the fight before. Then compare Floyd fighting a weight drained Canelo at 152, when he weighed 153 the fight before. Personally, I thought both were drained, but not severely enough that they would have won the fight with two more pounds. Its easy to spin it to go along with what you want to believe.

DLH was severely weight drained, but his own fault - even Roach admitted this. Roach also knew Hatton had ballooned up to 180+ and was depressed before draining back to 140 to fight Pac. Roach said DLH looked like a Ghost and couldn't even run one lap without stopping. Hatton was out running in the hot sun the day of the weigh in. Both Hatton and DLH were getting their asses handed to them in sparring. Both of their faults, and to be honest, Pac would have beat them anyway. Certain factors like being weight drained only taint the victory.

I remember DLH sucking ice cubes during his ring walk - he was clearly badly dehydrated.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Badhusker wrote:One good example to add to this is Pac beating a "weight drained" Cotto, even though the fight was at 145, Cotto weighed 146 the fight before. Then compare Floyd fighting a weight drained Canelo at 152, when he weighed 153 the fight before. Personally, I thought both were drained, but not severely enough that they would have won the fight with two more pounds. Its easy to spin it to go along with what you want to believe.

DLH was severely weight drained, but his own fault - even Roach admitted this. Roach also knew Hatton had ballooned up to 180+ and was depressed before draining back to 140 to fight Pac. Roach said DLH looked like a Ghost and couldn't even run one lap without stopping. Hatton was out running in the hot sun the day of the weigh in. Both Hatton and DLH were getting their asses handed to them in sparring. Both of their faults, and to be honest, Pac would have beat them anyway. Certain factors like being weight drained only taint the victory.

I remember DLH sucking ice cubes during his ring walk - he was clearly badly dehydrated.

I try not to include the DLH fight in the things I blame Manny for.

Yes, Oscar was a skeleton- but it was his own fault.

Can't blame Pac for that.

No, he didn't beat the DLH that Floyd did, but he got the job done.

Don't forge tot add ESPN (who is affiliated with HBO) to these half truths and bald face lies with guys like Fat Dan and the ultimate BS'er in that other idiot Skip Bayless are allowed to say anything that they want even if they are proven to be lies you never hear them apologize.

The so called "journalism" of today has been swayed and calculated as their own opinion for the public's consumption.

Yet the idiots still believe it and buy into it without questioning it and even after it is proven as lies they still will repeat it; for instance they still say "Floyd is scared of Manny" when it is obvious by now and even back then he wasn't when he tried to make the fight back in 2010.

KBB wrote:Don't forge tot add ESPN (who is affiliated with HBO) to these half truths and bald face lies with guys like Fat Dan and the ultimate BS'er in that other idiot Skip Bayless are allowed to say anything that they want even if they are proven to be lies you never hear them apologize.

The so called "journalism" of today has been swayed and calculated as their own opinion for the public's consumption.

Yet the idiots still believe it and buy into it without questioning it and even after it is proven as lies they still will repeat it; for instance they still say "Floyd is scared of Manny" when it is obvious by now and even back then he wasn't when he tried to make the fight back in 2010.

If Floyd stared into a camera and said that the purse split had nothing to do with why the fight wasn't made all this time, the media would have a field day.

But Manny stares into the camera and says something IN DIRECT CONTRADICTION with a stance he held for almost 4 years, and you don't hear a thing about it.

Amazing...

Why dont you clowns make up your own documentary and see if theres any interest in this trivial nonsense.

Rodian wrote:Why dont you clowns make up your own documentary and see if theres any interest in this trivial nonsense.

Why don't you come up with a take?

For starters, explain why you believe that lie Manny told when he said testing wasn't the reason why the fight wasn't made in 2009.

You need to use fact here.

Not emotions, like some old woman.

the fact of the matter is that if either side definitely wanted the fight to happen 5 years ago, it would've happened. There is so much "He said, she said" on this post and in the media that it's ridiculous.
We'll never know why they each opted out. Maybe a tinge of nervousness from each of them when they were each at their prime??

MP wrote:the fact of the matter is that if either side definitely wanted the fight to happen 5 years ago, it would've happened. There is so much "He said, she said" on this post and in the media that it's ridiculous.
We'll never know why they each opted out. Maybe a tinge of nervousness from each of them when they were each at their prime??

Again, the subject in this thread is the inaccuracies of the HBO offering.

The half-truths and out and out lies passing as journalism.

And, WE DO KNOW WHO OPTED OUT AND WHY.

IT IS WELL DOCUMENTED

c'mon. Stop drinking the kool-aid, koolkc!

MP wrote:c'mon. Stop drinking the kool-aid, koolkc!

I am not the one drinking it.

Manny came out with a press release, his own letter in his own words saying that drawing blood weakens him. Remember this?

These are my specifications for this fight regarding blood testing. I have offered to give a blood sample the day of the announcement of the fight at the (press conference). I have offered to give a blood sample 30 days before the fight. I am willing to give blood immediately after the fight is over inside my dressing room . I am also willing to give urine tests at anytime, anywhere, every day leading up to the fight.

"The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight. That does not make sense to me why anyone would do that. These accusations of me using any performance enhancing supplements are totally unwarranted and unjustified.

"To all of my fans I want to say thank you very much for all your support and understanding. I always give honor to God first and I would never cheat. I would never cheat God, I would never cheat myself, and I would never cheat my country and my fans.

"If Floyd Mayweather Jr. does not accept these terms [then] my promoter will find me another fight for March the 13.

KoolKC- that was a great point you made in how obvious it was that neither of them definitely wanted the fight.
Pac could've easily said "ok, i'll take the test a day before, along with 30 days before and in the dressing room after".
Mayweather easily could have said "ok, 30 days before and the day of fight in dressing room, that has it covered and let's get it on".

But, both fighters went looking elsewhere.

MP wrote:KoolKC- that was a great point you made in how obvious it was that neither of them definitely wanted the fight.
Pac could've easily said "ok, i'll take the test a day before, along with 30 days before and in the dressing room after".
Mayweather easily could have said "ok, 30 days before and the day of fight in dressing room, that has it covered and let's get it on".

But, both fighters went looking elsewhere.

The point I made was Manny walked away.

Roach admits it was them.

And then there was the article where roach said no test for 5 days before the fight and Floyd turned it down, he didn't want the fight, deep down you really know that too

Pureist wrote: No, that's a duck, no question about it, pacquaio has never tested positive, ever, it's a duck, pacquaio agreed to a sample being taken straight after the fight, do you think in the space of 45 minutes any trace of peds would disappear,

What are you talking about? Some substances will leave the body in days and some hours so taking a test after the fight is worthless. He would be using them not to be enhanced in the actual fight but it have been enhanced when honing his body for the fight and to be able to train with added intensity, build up strength, add muscle tissue etc hence testing at the time he would have been using (in training) and not when he would not have been using (after the fight).

FFS man!

tobyh5 wrote:

Pureist wrote: No, that's a duck, no question about it, pacquaio has never tested positive, ever, it's a duck, pacquaio agreed to a sample being taken straight after the fight, do you think in the space of 45 minutes any trace of peds would disappear,

What are you talking about? Some substances will leave the body in days and some hours so taking a test after the fight is worthless. He would be using them not to be enhanced in the actual fight but it have been enhanced when honing his body for the fight and to be able to train with added intensity, build up strength, add muscle tissue etc hence testing at the time he would have been using (in training) and not when he would not have been using (after the fight).

FFS man!

I told him about EPO.

He had no reply, just kept on being clueless and insisting a blood test after the fight would be the thing.

Clearly, he is uneducated on what some of these guys can do.

He's going to build heaps of muscle and stamina on coke, about the only performance inhancer that leaves in enough time, what a crock of shit, Armstrong micro dosed over a large amount of time and that's why he got away with it, as I said earlier in this thread hair testing is the answer, everything shows up

You said FA about epo numbnuts, the thread says half truths, that's what your doing, you didn't mention the 5 days just the 30 first proposed, that's a half truth, makes Floyd look bad so you will try and manipulate your posts to solve that problem

Pureist wrote:You said FA about epo numbnuts, the thread says half truths, that's what your doing, you didn't mention the 5 days just the 30 first proposed, that's a half truth, makes Floyd look bad so you will try and manipulate your posts to solve that problem

You keep bringing up this BS 5 day crap when that had absolutely NOTHING to do with the original contract negotiations in 2010, Manny and Roach BS'd about not being able to do testing "WITHIN" 14 days and then they got called on their lies because on the 24/7 documentary for Packy's fight against Hatton it was clear that they did test within 14 days of the fight.

Notice the timeline does not specify an actual 14 days or name exactly how many but it clearly states within 14 days which is the same amount of time that Floyd requested that they both test for, it was a fair offer and Manny ducked out of it with the reasoning Kool exposed above.

Stop dwelling on 5 days because whether it was 5 or 14 Manny did not do the testing that was agreed to by Floyd and he clearly ducked this bout.

Stop making BS excuses.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing ... id=4777048

Everybody keeps talking about how Manny agreed to everything but that didn't happen until when??>>>>>>>2012!!!

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1343 ... next-fight

Fergusg, KBB, Koolkc... which one of you guys is Justin Bieber?

I've never seen some people try to defend a fighter not wanting to make a fight happen so bad. Yes, Pac didn't make it happen either in 2010-2. However, you're either a family member or a good buddy of Floyd's to put up such an argument that Floyd was really trying to make the fight happen in their prime but Pac wasn't. A regular Floyd fan, and the normal boxing fan would recognize that it was both of them!!!

Alot of black ppl just support Floyd b/c he's black. Brits are usually the same with their fighters. Aussies definitely are. Irish are. Mexicans and Puerto Ricans for sure. Filipinos absolutely. The only group that doesnt give a crap about their fighters is white americans. Couldnt care less.