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No rematch, Manny proved how easily he can be shutdown thus making the fight boring; everyone knows that Mayweather fights the same way all the time so the onus was on Pacquiao to prove what he stated he was going to do which was to KO Floyd and he didn't even come remotely close.

Manny landing only 81 shots shows how easily he was shutdown and the Pacquiao fans cannot stand the idea that their multi-combo throwing Pacquiao wasn't able to do the same to Mayweather that he did to other lesser fighters.

If a rematch was to occur we would see Floyd win it in an even easier fashion as has been proven by him in all of his rematches, anyone who thought their fight was even remotely close is either blind or have their heads so far up Pac's a$$ that his nuts have became their Adam's apples.

Please no rematch for me, I do not want to see a boring Pacquiao doing nothing but rocking side to side while trying to figure out a way to hit Floyd.

JCS wrote:Stephen A. Smith reports that Mayweather is willing to rematch Pacquiao when he returns.. whether that be in September, or a year from now.

Probably 2021.

I wonder what percentage Mayweather will offer Pacquiao this time.
I think initial offer will be 80-20

They have all this time to hype Manny being crippled.

Here's a prediction.

Manny comes back in record time, say 6-8 months.

He KTFO of some tomato can. Declares himself back and 100% healthy.

And the rematch happens next Cinco de Mayo.

Chepppaaa wrote:no more floyd fights at all. we all get, he is the #1, but also #1 atg most boring, he brought boringness to another level (i realy cant thnk of an world class atg boxer more boring than him), even the very defensive pernell did sometimes try to mix it up and tried to make it fun.

Yeah exactly, Floyd should mix it up at the risk of his health just to please a numbnut like you. You're just mad because he shut your boytoy down.

Get over yourself and go back and read all the BS posts you made about this fight and let that soak in idiot.

I read on boxing scene that Floyd said he will give Pac a rematch when he heals up sometime next year.

KBB wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:no more floyd fights at all. we all get, he is the #1, but also #1 atg most boring, he brought boringness to another level (i realy cant thnk of an world class atg boxer more boring than him), even the very defensive pernell did sometimes try to mix it up and tried to make it fun.

Yeah exactly, Floyd should mix it up at the risk of his health just to please a numbnut like you. You're just mad because he shut your boytoy down.

Get over yourself and go back and read all the BS posts you made about this fight and let that soak in idiot.

To be fair, I do myself find Floyd pretty boring to watch - I do appreciate the defensive class, but his offensive output has dropped further and further over the years. I guess that's to be expected at 38, but it doesn't make for much of a spectacle, he's sort of turned into Hopkins, economy of punching, very little risk, and very little in the way of offense.

He dominated pacquaio, but it really was very tedious. He could probably have landed a hell of a lot more shots if he wanted to, but he did the absolute minimum he needed to do to win the rounds - very smart for him - but entertaining - not in my book.

He had reach and height advantage, and really didn't have to put himself at much risk, and could have landed virtually at will with Pacquaio being able to do little in return, as he didn't have the speed, reach or timing to really get near Floyd, except for the odd occasion when Floyd allowed himself to be drawn to the ropes, before spinning out again.

brut. why arent you happy? floyd won. why are you still sounding bitter? was the fight a bit of a let down for you, well i found it entertaining, well done from floyd.

Chepppaaa wrote:brut. why arent you happy? floyd won. why are you still sounding bitter? was the fight a bit of a let down for you, well i found it entertaining, well done from floyd.

It was a let-down, but then perhaps many people, myself included bought into the prospect of it being competitive - and hoped for something resembling a fight - I appreciate Floyd's talent - and recognise his skill, but for me, he just doesn't engage enough - it's not that I want to see him get hit more, I want to see him land more - he's content to pick and poke and dominate with minimal effort - as I said before, it's terribly clever, but just not much of a spectacle, and after all, this is prizefighting, and entertainment is meant to be at least part of the deal.

It's really quite amazing how he's managed to make so much money, without really being in many exciting fights. Quite an achievement, but a bit of a mystery also - I guess cultivating the bad boy persona was also very clever, in that it meant people bought the PPV, hoping he would lose.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:brut. why arent you happy? floyd won. why are you still sounding bitter? was the fight a bit of a let down for you, well i found it entertaining, well done from floyd.

It was a let-down, but then perhaps many people, myself included bought into the prospect of it being competitive - and hoped for something resembling a fight - I appreciate Floyd's talent - and recognise his skill, but for me, he just doesn't engage enough - it's not that I want to see him get hit more, I want to see him land more - he's content to pick and poke and dominate with minimal effort - as I said before, it's terribly clever, but just not much of a spectacle, and after all, this is prizefighting, and entertainment is meant to be at least part of the deal.

It's really quite amazing how he's managed to make so much money, without really being in many exciting fights. Quite an achievement, but a bit of a mystery also - I guess cultivating the bad boy persona was also very clever, in that it meant people bought the PPV, hoping he would lose.

me being happy about the floyd win was meant ironic.

but brut, as floyds #1 fan realy sounds bitter and ask myself why. shouldnt you be happy when your favourite boxer won.

so many fans buying floyds ppv overall and floyd becoming so rich, just shows me the stupidity about overall people. they buy so much into the bravado of 24/7 and than get excited and than basicly nothing happen during the fight and people overall are so stupid, that they buy another floyd fight hahahaha......stupidity on another level.

i just hope that the next generation of elite boxers wont be that way. i mean, you should always focus on defence and protect yourself, but also there should be a focus on actual boxing, on actual punching combos, just offence. and when you do not want that and not get punched at all, good advise, start a new sport where you never get punched at all.

Doubt there will be can't see any-one giving Floyd anywhere near 120 mil.............. next time he'll want 300 mil
I think the next time some-one gets that sort of money for a boxing match i'll be dead thanks to TBE

Lmao it took Floyd 2 days to reveal he will fight on past September. What a total shocker. Anyone who thinks he's only fighting 1 more time is a god damn idiot. He will fight at least 2 more times. And probably 3.

diddy wrote:Lmao it took Floyd 2 days to reveal he will fight on past September. What a total shocker. Anyone who thinks he's only fighting 1 more time is a god damn idiot. He will fight at least 2 more times. And probably 3.

2 or 3 more times...

Not surprising. Eventually Mayweather "might" pick on the wrong guy. He fights that long he "might" (I was going to say will) get beat. You never know with this guy he keeps on winning. He could become the next Hopkins..Perhaps in the year 2025 Mayweather will still be fighting.

This is probably not the greatest question now, but it has been running around my head a bit... Since the NV State Boxing Commission denied the shot even though it sounds like it was originally reported. Even though it sounds like a technical issue Could they, under any circumstance have given it to Manny? What if they canceled the fight was Manny's managers responsible for the loses If so, or not, do you think it would have been better for Boxing ???..

From what I can put together this fight would never have happened if he needed surgery.. So in this case what do you think?

Corrections and thoughts are accepted

BL

jamesmcdonnell wrote:To be fair, I do myself find Floyd pretty boring to watch - I do appreciate the defensive class, but his offensive output has dropped further and further over the years. I guess that's to be expected at 38, but it doesn't make for much of a spectacle, he's sort of turned into Hopkins, economy of punching, very little risk, and very little in the way of offense.

He dominated pacquaio, but it really was very tedious. He could probably have landed a hell of a lot more shots if he wanted to, but he did the absolute minimum he needed to do to win the rounds - very smart for him - but entertaining - not in my book.

He had reach and height advantage, and really didn't have to put himself at much risk, and could have landed virtually at will with Pacquaio being able to do little in return, as he didn't have the speed, reach or timing to really get near Floyd, except for the odd occasion when Floyd allowed himself to be drawn to the ropes, before spinning out again.

Let's address this starting backwards:
1. Yes Floyd had all those advantages you pointed out, but so did many other Packy opponents but yet he figured them out, however I disagree that Money could have landed at will and I disagree that Manny didn't have the speed or timing (remember the bomb left hand he landed on Floyd in the 4th) so the problem wasn't either of those two and the reach did have much to do with it but the main culprit here was Packy's lack of output for fear of being countered and his ineffective ability to cut off the ring.

2. Floyd fought the way he usually has and why would you or anyone else expect that to change or for him to sit there and go toe to toe?
I don't look at the fight as domination (Corrales, Gatti, those were dominant victories). I look at it as mostly a skill deficient Pacquiao who did not have an effective plan that was able to confound Mayweather. Sometimes it appeared Packy wanted to brawl, other times he looked like he wanted to counter but it mostly looked like he was actually trying to win by apparently attempting to outbox Floyd (a huge mistake).

3. I agree that over the years his offensive output has dropped, but if that's so much the case then why is it that the offensive machine in Manny was not able to take advantage of someone supposedly "running" (if you are doing that you can't throw shots back) was still unable to beat him??

You said he had an "economy" of punches thrown but yet he threw more punches than Manny.

You said he "did the absolute minimum" to win rounds but yet that absolute minimum was more than Manny's maximum and he won.

Are you really being "fair" in light of these questions and facts that I have presented to you??

Honestly? I'm not trying to be some smart ass, and I appreciate the way you took time to break this down but I couldn't help but dispute it with the honest to goodness facts and questions that I've stated.

KBB wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:To be fair, I do myself find Floyd pretty boring to watch - I do appreciate the defensive class, but his offensive output has dropped further and further over the years. I guess that's to be expected at 38, but it doesn't make for much of a spectacle, he's sort of turned into Hopkins, economy of punching, very little risk, and very little in the way of offense.

He dominated pacquaio, but it really was very tedious. He could probably have landed a hell of a lot more shots if he wanted to, but he did the absolute minimum he needed to do to win the rounds - very smart for him - but entertaining - not in my book.

He had reach and height advantage, and really didn't have to put himself at much risk, and could have landed virtually at will with Pacquaio being able to do little in return, as he didn't have the speed, reach or timing to really get near Floyd, except for the odd occasion when Floyd allowed himself to be drawn to the ropes, before spinning out again.

Let's address this starting backwards:
1. Yes Floyd had all those advantages you pointed out, but so did many other Packy opponents but yet he figured them out, however I disagree that Money could have landed at will and I disagree that Manny didn't have the speed or timing (remember the bomb left hand he landed on Floyd in the 4th) so the problem wasn't either of those two and the reach did have much to do with it but the main culprit here was Packy's lack of output for fear of being countered and his ineffective ability to cut off the ring.

2. Floyd fought the way he usually has and why would you or anyone else expect that to change or for him to sit there and go toe to toe?
I don't look at the fight as domination (Corrales, Gatti, those were dominant victories). I look at it as mostly a skill deficient Pacquiao who did not have an effective plan that was able to confound Mayweather. Sometimes it appeared Packy wanted to brawl, other times he looked like he wanted to counter but it mostly looked like he was actually trying to win by apparently attempting to outbox Floyd (a huge mistake).

3. I agree that over the years his offensive output has dropped, but if that's so much the case then why is it that the offensive machine in Manny was not able to take advantage of someone supposedly "running" (if you are doing that you can't throw shots back) was still unable to beat him??

You said he had an "economy" of punches thrown but yet he threw more punches than Manny.

You said he "did the absolute minimum" to win rounds but yet that absolute minimum was more than Manny's maximum and he won.

Are you really being "fair" in light of these questions and facts that I have presented to you??

Honestly? I'm not trying to be some smart ass, and I appreciate the way you took time to break this down but I couldn't help but dispute it with the honest to goodness facts and questions that I've stated.

These are just my opinions, I never cited them as facts. What is factual is that I was bored absolutely shitless.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:These are just my opinions, I never cited them as facts. What is factual is that I was bored absolutely shitless.

Then you can thank Manny for doing absolutely nothing in a bout where he was expected by his fans to not only win but to KO Floyd and he came nowhere near close to doing so.

Floyd fought the same way he always does, the onus was on MP to cut off the ring and make him trade punches of which he wasn't intelligent enough to execute.

This is why the fight was boring. Manny didn't do enough.

[quote="JeanClaude Van Damme"]The fight itself was meaningless the moment Pac got KO'd.

A rematch would be used to torture terror suspects.[/qu


Absolutely,the Bradley loss could easily be forgotten but the ko took away that invincibility that surrounded Pacman and i'm surprised lots of serious boxing fans thought differently.

KBB wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:These are just my opinions, I never cited them as facts. What is factual is that I was bored absolutely shitless.

Then you can thank Manny for doing absolutely nothing in a bout where he was expected by his fans to not only win but to KO Floyd and he came nowhere near close to doing so.

Floyd fought the same way he always does, the onus was on MP to cut off the ring and make him trade punches of which he wasn't intelligent enough to execute.

This is why the fight was boring. Manny didn't do enough.

Oh I agree - but I think Manny was completely bamboozled after a couple of rounds, and had simply become demoralised.

Chepppaaa wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:brut. why arent you happy? floyd won. why are you still sounding bitter? was the fight a bit of a let down for you, well i found it entertaining, well done from floyd.

It was a let-down, but then perhaps many people, myself included bought into the prospect of it being competitive - and hoped for something resembling a fight - I appreciate Floyd's talent - and recognise his skill, but for me, he just doesn't engage enough - it's not that I want to see him get hit more, I want to see him land more - he's content to pick and poke and dominate with minimal effort - as I said before, it's terribly clever, but just not much of a spectacle, and after all, this is prizefighting, and entertainment is meant to be at least part of the deal.

It's really quite amazing how he's managed to make so much money, without really being in many exciting fights. Quite an achievement, but a bit of a mystery also - I guess cultivating the bad boy persona was also very clever, in that it meant people bought the PPV, hoping he would lose.

me being happy about the floyd win was meant ironic.

but brut, as floyds #1 fan realy sounds bitter and ask myself why. shouldnt you be happy when your favourite boxer won.

so many fans buying floyds ppv overall and floyd becoming so rich, just shows me the stupidity about overall people. they buy so much into the bravado of 24/7 and than get excited and than basicly nothing happen during the fight and people overall are so stupid, that they buy another floyd fight hahahaha......stupidity on another level.
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i just hope that the next generation of elite boxers wont be that way. i mean, you should always focus on defence and protect yourself, but also there should be a focus on actual boxing, on actual punching combos, just offence. and when you do not want that and not get punched at all, good advise, start a new sport where you never get punched at all.

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diddy wrote:Lmao it took Floyd 2 days to reveal he will fight on past September. What a total shocker. Anyone who thinks he's only fighting 1 more time is a god damn idiot. He will fight at least 2 more times. And probably 3.

I would bet he fights on well past 40.
He talks of all his business ventures, but any business will look solid on the surface when you can just blindly bankroll it from another source of income. I honestly can't see him doing big things outside the business of boxing- Now, in boxing he has a future as long as he wants it- Fighting or doing successful promotion or such- where his stature in the sport and his ultra high boxing business acumen will do him much good, not to mention Al's super powers.
But any person who could still collect the amount he earns, without taking serious damage, would be a fool not to keep going to the well until it's bone dry. In a sport where from the first fight I ever saw live as a 10 year old (No Mas), to today, fighters have always gotten the super short end of the stick and I appreciate seeing a fighter get the lion's share finally, after so many fighters have basically given their lives over so many years in exchange for relative pennies in regards to amount they generated. Tired of seeing Arums and DKs hold the 100 million dollar checks while the fighters hold ice packs to their eyes.

Chepppaaa wrote:no more floyd fights at all. we all get, he is the #1, but also #1 atg most boring, he brought boringness to another level (i realy cant thnk of an world class atg boxer more boring than him), even the very defensive pernell did sometimes try to mix it up and tried to make it fun.

Manny brought the boringness to this bout, he did nothing!!

KBB wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:no more floyd fights at all. we all get, he is the #1, but also #1 atg most boring, he brought boringness to another level (i realy cant thnk of an world class atg boxer more boring than him), even the very defensive pernell did sometimes try to mix it up and tried to make it fun.

Manny brought the boringness to this bout, he did nothing!!

you dont need to repeat it a hundred times i get it

Chepppaaa wrote:

KBB wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:no more floyd fights at all. we all get, he is the #1, but also #1 atg most boring, he brought boringness to another level (i realy cant thnk of an world class atg boxer more boring than him), even the very defensive pernell did sometimes try to mix it up and tried to make it fun.

Manny brought the boringness to this bout, he did nothing!!

you dont need to repeat it a hundred times i get it

You don't need to repeat that Floyd is the most boring when you know Manny didn't do squat in that fight but somehow in every post you've made on this subject you've stated the same thing over and over again, if you'd like I can go and post everything you stated in quotes to prove it.

no, please not. but me repeating as much as you doesnt make it any better. so we are both morons for consistantly repeating some crap, we said a 100 times before. but i think i am #2, you are the absolut #1 in repeating shit hahaha.....99 % of your posts "floyd is the best and technical master, pac fans are butthurt"