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LOL to Holyfield's article, he's just trying to cover his tracks for his BS prediction. At least Tyson took the high road and gave Floyd his due for all the BS that Mike has spoken all the way up to the fight about Floyd.

I wonder how much money Evander lost betting on Manny: http://sports.inquirer.net/176749/holyf ... acy-theory

This dude (Holyfield) won more of his biggest fights with his head than he did with his hands, look what he did to Rahman and Tyson

http://www.fark.com/.../Holyfield-wins- ... rutal-head

http://www.baltimoresun.com/bal-sp.rahman02jun02-story

news.bbc.co.uk/...holyfield/296625.stm

And he has the nerve to talk about holding, which would you rather have; someone holding you for a second or two or being headbutted to the point where you look like Warf from Star Trek like Rahman did??

Freedom2013 wrote:

fergusg wrote:If you want to watch “Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots” slugging it out, then watch Box-Nation’s “Total Combat” or the UFC.

If you want to complain about skilful fighters hitting their opponents, whilst not taking hardly any punches in return, then boxing isn’t the sport for you!

Most of us like skillful boxers hitting their opponents while not taking punches.

But we don't like boxers clamping their opponents' arms and running. Does anyone enjoy seeing that?

Hell no.

But this has been a horrible trend lately with pure boxers.

Floyd gettin wins this way is only setting a bad example for up n comers.

And the ppl defending that style are just being biased cuz I guarantee you if a fighter they didn't like fought that way they would quickly talk shiit about it.

For the last time, folks.

Holding IS NOT illegal.

It is one of the first things they teach you in the gym.

How to tie up your opponent.

EXCESSIVE HOLDING is illegal, and is what can be penalized.

Here's another thing a lot of folks miss.

Exactly who is initiating the hold.

If a guy rushes in, misses and now has his head in the chest or shoulder of a fighter, that fighter with his opponent's head in so close would be a fool if he did nothing to try and control the fighter bulling his way in.

A hold there is expected and no ref in the world will penalize that because he understands the guy is not boxing his way in but rather "wrestling" his way in- which is also against the rules.

But, whether you buy that last argument or not, the point is rather moot.

Excessive holding didn't happen Saturday; but folks wanting to see Manny win would think one clinch is too much even if Manny initiated it (and when you look at the rebroadcast you will be surprised at how many times this was actually the case).

Mayweather didn't "run" either. He boxed, and very well.

What did folks want him to do, just stay on the ropes and let Manny wail away?

No, Floyd moved out, often hitting Manny with a shot as he wheeled out.

Evander wants to change a sport that he became great in under the exact same rules.

And BTW, someone tell Evander he is a hypocrite in complaining about the way Floyd fights and here is proof:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alKTKCk3RQ0

koolkc107 wrote:For the last time, folks.

Holding IS NOT illegal.

It is one of the first things they teach you in the gym.

How to tie up your opponent.

EXCESSIVE HOLDING is illegal, and is what can be penalized.

Here's another thing a lot of folks miss.

Exactly who is initiating the hold.

If a guy rushes in, misses and now has his head in the chest or shoulder of a fighter, that fighter with his opponent's head in so close would be a fool if he did nothing to try and control the fighter bulling his way in.

A hold there is expected and no ref in the world will penalize that because he understands the guy is not boxing his way in but rather "wrestling" his way in- which is also against the rules.

But, whether you buy that last argument or not, the point is rather moot.

Excessive holding didn't happen Saturday; but folks wanting to see Manny win would think one clinch is too much even if Manny initiated it (and when you look at the rebroadcast you will be surprised at how many times this was actually the case).

Mayweather didn't "run" either. He boxed, and very well.

What did folks want him to do, just stay on the ropes and let Manny wail away?

No, Floyd moved out, often hitting Manny with a shot as he wheeled out.

Evander wants to change a sport that he became great in under the exact same rules.

And BTW, someone tell Evander he is a hypocrite in complaining about the way Floyd fights and here is proof:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alKTKCk3RQ0

What kind of gym are you going to?

Holding is NOT one of the first things they teach you when you start boxing.

Ive boxed for over 8 yrs 3 yrs at king gyms in Oakland the same gym Ward and Nonito use to train at as amateurs.

Ward uses his holding as part of his strategy snd added to his arsenal later in his career but it is not one of the first things u Learn.

Unless your attending a strictly defensive minded gym.

kidbazooka1 wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:For the last time, folks.

Holding IS NOT illegal.

It is one of the first things they teach you in the gym.

How to tie up your opponent.

EXCESSIVE HOLDING is illegal, and is what can be penalized.

Here's another thing a lot of folks miss.

Exactly who is initiating the hold.

If a guy rushes in, misses and now has his head in the chest or shoulder of a fighter, that fighter with his opponent's head in so close would be a fool if he did nothing to try and control the fighter bulling his way in.

A hold there is expected and no ref in the world will penalize that because he understands the guy is not boxing his way in but rather "wrestling" his way in- which is also against the rules.

But, whether you buy that last argument or not, the point is rather moot.

Excessive holding didn't happen Saturday; but folks wanting to see Manny win would think one clinch is too much even if Manny initiated it (and when you look at the rebroadcast you will be surprised at how many times this was actually the case).

Mayweather didn't "run" either. He boxed, and very well.

What did folks want him to do, just stay on the ropes and let Manny wail away?

No, Floyd moved out, often hitting Manny with a shot as he wheeled out.

Evander wants to change a sport that he became great in under the exact same rules.

And BTW, someone tell Evander he is a hypocrite in complaining about the way Floyd fights and here is proof:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alKTKCk3RQ0

What kind of gym are you going to?

Holding is NOT one of the first things they teach you when you start boxing.

Ive boxed for over 8 yrs 3 yrs at king gyms in Oakland the same gym Ward and Nonito use to train at as amateurs.

Ward uses his holding as part of his strategy snd added to his arsenal later in his career but it is not one of the first things u Learn.

Unless your attending a strictly defensive minded gym.

stance, footwork are the first things, than later the jab. everything else comes than after.

I said ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS, not the very first thing.

Of course you are taught things like the proper way to move and throw punches first.

And how to block punches as well.

But clinching properly in a manner to protect yourself is taught AT EVERY GYM IN THE WORLD where the arts of self-defense are taught.

fergusg wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:

fergusg wrote:Mauling and grabbing your opponent is not deemed as a serious offence, which means that boxers will obviously employ that manoeuvre as part of their gameplan.

If fighters’ aren’t going to be penalised for it, then they will employ that tactic.

I don’t enjoy watching fighters grabbing, but if I was in the ring and needed to “protect myself at all times”, then I’d grab my opponent if need be.

Who told you it wasn't a serious offence?

How many times do you see fighters get penalised for grabbing?

And right on cue Ricky Burns gets deducted not one, but two, points for grabbing. Dumbass Floyd rider

Henry Akinwande was DQed for grabbing and holding.

fergusg wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:Henry Akinwande was DQed for grabbing and holding.

Ricky_ wrote:And right on cue Ricky Burns gets deducted not one, but two, points for grabbing. Dumbass Floyd rider

Grabbing your opponent isn’t a punishable offence, but excessive grabbing is, but even then, the punishment always seems insufficient for the crime.

You can pick extreme scenarios to try to undermine me, but time-and-time again we've witnessed fighters excessively employ this tactic, whilst not receiving adequate punishment.

Burns literally held the entire fight.

The fact that he was not DQed is amazing.

But, he got away with it, only being penalized twice.

Can't deny!! But it's all part of the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As_dG6b87x4

Impractical Poster wrote:Can't deny!! But it's all part of the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As_dG6b87x4

BUTTHURT MUCH??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVc4Ff8Sy64

KBB wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:Can't deny!! But it's all part of the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As_dG6b87x4

BUTTHURT MUCH??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVc4Ff8Sy64

What makes you think I'm a pac fan? I don't mind him, I'm no a big supporter... I'm a Floyd critic. Used to be a fan of Floyd's tho.

Impractical Poster wrote:What makes you think I'm a pac fan? I don't mind him, I'm no a big supporter... I'm a Floyd critic. Used to be a fan of Floyd's tho.

I noticed you have no criticism of Manny's virtual ineffectiveness but you instead blame Floyd (who did more than Packy). Some fan you are.

KBB wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:What makes you think I'm a pac fan? I don't mind him, I'm no a big supporter... I'm a Floyd critic. Used to be a fan of Floyd's tho.

I noticed you have no criticism of Manny's virtual ineffectiveness but you instead blame Floyd (who did more than Packy). Some fan you are.

You haven't been looking then. You assume everything. More than any other on this forum. I have criticized Manny on quite a few occasions. I have stated that I was disappointed with his output and lack of desire in this fight. However, it was Floyd who was doing all the moving. I am just more of a Floyd critic because of what he is and claims to be. I don't like the guy and think he is everything that is wrong with the sport. I don't expect you to share me views. I used to be an avid Mayweather fan. But after he retired for the 2nd time in the midst of his prime and started fighting tentative, like all he wanted to do was secure a paycheck, I realized he is not the type of guy I like representing the sport. I am a huge fan of guys like Maidana, Crawford, 3G, was a gigantic Paul Williams fan. I enjoy Manny, but he's not one of my specialties. I was actually relieved when Marquez laid him out, because he finally got closure. Sorry that you can't bash on a fighter you wish I loved as you do Mayweather. You are his biggest supporter on here.... I'm sure he'd be proud.

Impractical Poster wrote:

KBB wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:What makes you think I'm a pac fan? I don't mind him, I'm no a big supporter... I'm a Floyd critic. Used to be a fan of Floyd's tho.

I noticed you have no criticism of Manny's virtual ineffectiveness but you instead blame Floyd (who did more than Packy). Some fan you are.

You haven't been looking then. You assume everything. More than any other on this forum. I have criticized Manny on quite a few occasions. I have stated that I was disappointed with his output and lack of desire in this fight. However, it was Floyd who was doing all the moving. I am just more of a Floyd critic because of what he is and claims to be. I don't like the guy and think he is everything that is wrong with the sport. I don't expect you to share me views. I used to be an avid Mayweather fan. But after he retired for the 2nd time in the midst of his prime and started fighting tentative, like all he wanted to do was secure a paycheck, I realized he is not the type of guy I like representing the sport. I am a huge fan of guys like Maidana, Crawford, 3G, was a gigantic Paul Williams fan. I enjoy Manny, but he's not one of my specialties. I was actually relieved when Marquez laid him out, because he finally got closure. Sorry that you can't bash on a fighter you wish I loved as you do Mayweather. You are his biggest supporter on here.... I'm sure he'd be proud.

Floyd the person I do not like, I highly respect what he does in the ring, not outside of it. Floyd was doing the moving!!<<<Your statement.

Was he supposed to sit there and go toe to toe or was he just supposed to stand still and let MP beat on him??

Yes he was far more active as a fighter in terms of his offensive output when he was younger, that goes without saying but so are most fighters and with us knowing that he is a boxer and not a brawler, was the onus on us to expect him to change for this fight and fight in a phone booth??

I have been critical of Floyd too, I thought he lost to Castillo in their first fight and I gave Judah credit for knocking him down, I also think he could've fought Margarito but instead went for the lineal title in Baldo who had just beaten the guy everyone said would beat him in Judah so I gave him a pass for that one but if that hadn't been the case with Baldo beating Judah and Floyd had not taken the fight then I would've called him a duck.

I'm fair to a T, so although I may appear more vocal and favorable of one fighter over another I always call it as I see it. Could both fighters have done more in the superfight, probably but I thought the onus was on MP to do so because we've had to sit here and listen to damn near 6 years of Floyd being called a duck and Manny having the style to beat and break the shoulder roll and win by KO.

Now that none of the fans and media expectation came even remotely close to happening now we have to listen to all the BS about running, hugging, not enough output by Floyd. You'd think it was Floyd vs Floyd in the ring the way people complain as though he has no opponent who's job it is to cut off the ring and force him to have to exchange.

Manny was supposed to be the guy to do that, he couldn't and was shutdown to his lowest output of all his bouts but yet no credit is given to Mayweather for having done that without breaking any rules.

Why is that people can't be fair??