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If Fury trades with Wlad, he's going down. I mean unless he just blitzkriegs him in the 1st like Sanders did. I know he's never outboxed a guy like Wlad, but it's the only way I see him winning.

He's got very long reach, is harder to hit now, good handspeed, can switch up and can certainly have a frustrating style. I see him as having the capability. He's not a pressure fighter anyway. Wlad hasn't outboxed a 6'9'' guy with those assets before, which I think is an important factor. It works one way but it also works the other.

That being said, I'd be perfectly happy if he does figure he needs to get inside, because he'll get knocked out.

Wlad is generally hesitant to throw when he's under pressure. Though some people talk of Fury getting starched if he gets into a slugfest Wlad rarely does those, and every case of him unraveling has seen an opponent get to him by moving forward and being relatively aggressive, with the key being that the person is staying busy with their hands and not just their feet. He also tends to land his best punches from the outside and has virtually no inside offensive, so I can't see him besting Fury in close if they start trading, not to mention that I highly doubt that Wlad would attempt that rather than trying to hold. Some people have noted that Jennings troubled Wlad with lateral movement, but notice that Wlad didn't come close to losing rounds and looking uncomfortable until Jennings fought more intrepidly, moving forward and letting his hands go to the body while Wlad tried holding.

If Fury attempts to box from range I think he'll let Wlad get too comfortable, while also likely increasing the chances of him being at the end and most powerful point of Wlad's best punch, his straight right. You say that Fury must avoid a shoot-out, but Wlad actually tends to be most aggressive against taller opponents who give some distance, much in the way Steward-trained Lennox Lewis was. Moreover, a significant part of Wlad's success against fighters who stalk him, which I think Fury should do intelligently, is his ability to move in reverse quickly without the opponents being able to reach him as he leans back; I think that could be notably tougher against Fury, but if Fury is the one moving back it doesn't seem like it would be nearly as much of an issue.

Wlad has outboxed a range of opponents over his career, not just short and slow EBU-level plodders tailor-made for him to look good. Although I think that Fury has improved, notice that when he fought Cunningham, who while relatively short is not a slow plodder, his boxing skills didn't look nearly as good. I'm far more confident about Wlad's ability to better Fury in a technical boxing match than I am with Fury's to better him, and if Fury adopts the same approach he did in the Hammer fight and Chisora rematch I think he'll be playing into Wlad's hands.

All that said, I can understand your logic and it would be interesting to see how that type of fight unfolded.

Maxsplit wrote:

david1963 wrote:Tyson Fury wins this one very, very easily. Either on points or late stoppage. It will be at long range with Klitschko getting busted up.

2 years ago you would have been sectioned for posting that!

Now however, I don't see this as an outlandish outcome at all. Especially as Wladimir will be a couple of months shy of 40 when this fight happens.

Fury could well bust Wlad up at range with his reach advantage and switch hitting.

It will make for a tense fight rather than an action packed one.

What will be fascinating is if the older man is behind on the scorecards going into the final rounds, which I could see happening. What will Wlad do? He is so cautious and long in the tooth does he have it in him to go for broke? It's been over a decade since he's had to ...

40 seems to be the new 30 in boxing.

Wladimir might be 40, but he's the 'youngest' 40 year old HW I've ever seen.

He doesn't appear to have lost anything & his style is such that age won't compromise him too much.

I think Fury is unlikely to go gently - when he realises he can't outbox wlad - which he most certainly can't, he will go for the only option left, and the end result will be a brutal ko and his first loss.

Fury isn't superior in any department to Wlad other than height and reach - well, maybe handspeed, but even there, not much in it.

I reckon it will be over inside of 7 rounds.

Bobbyptsd wrote:If Fury trades with Wlad, he's going down. I mean unless he just blitzkriegs him in the 1st like Sanders did. I know he's never outboxed a guy like Wlad, but it's the only way I see him winning.

He's got very long reach, is harder to hit now, good handspeed, can switch up and can certainly have a frustrating style. I see him as having the capability. He's not a pressure fighter anyway. Wlad hasn't outboxed a 6'9'' guy with those assets before, which I think is an important factor. It works one way but it also works the other.

That being said, I'd be perfectly happy if he does figure he needs to get inside, because he'll get knocked out.

Sanders had very fast hands, and something Fury doesn't serious one shot power - Wlad was also far less judicious in his use of footwork and positioning then, and fought much more square on than he does now, he doesn't really leave those openings any more.

Maxsplit wrote:

david1963 wrote:Tyson Fury wins this one very, very easily. Either on points or late stoppage. It will be at long range with Klitschko getting busted up.

2 years ago you would have been sectioned for posting that!

Now however, I don't see this as an outlandish outcome at all. Especially as Wladimir will be a couple of months shy of 40 when this fight happens.

Fury could well bust Wlad up at range with his reach advantage and switch hitting.

It will make for a tense fight rather than an action packed one.

What will be fascinating is if the older man is behind on the scorecards going into the final rounds, which I could see happening. What will Wlad do? He is so cautious and long in the tooth does he have it in him to go for broke? It's been over a decade since he's had to ...

If the fight pans out like that, I will eat my own scrotum.

Fury is technically nowhere near as accomplished as Wlad, and his reach advantage will be negated by Wlad's footwork.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Bobbyptsd wrote:If Fury trades with Wlad, he's going down. I mean unless he just blitzkriegs him in the 1st like Sanders did. I know he's never outboxed a guy like Wlad, but it's the only way I see him winning.

He's got very long reach, is harder to hit now, good handspeed, can switch up and can certainly have a frustrating style. I see him as having the capability. He's not a pressure fighter anyway. Wlad hasn't outboxed a 6'9'' guy with those assets before, which I think is an important factor. It works one way but it also works the other.

That being said, I'd be perfectly happy if he does figure he needs to get inside, because he'll get knocked out.

Sanders had very fast hands, and something Fury doesn't serious one shot power - Wlad was also far less judicious in his use of footwork and positioning then, and fought much more square on than he does now, he doesn't really leave those openings any more.

That's all true, but it doesn't change that it's probably Fury's one chance to stop Wlad without instead going to sleep himself.

I'm going with exciting but short. Fury will take the fight to Klitschko but get laid out when he walks onto a couple of big right hands

Bobbyptsd wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Bobbyptsd wrote:If Fury trades with Wlad, he's going down. I mean unless he just blitzkriegs him in the 1st like Sanders did. I know he's never outboxed a guy like Wlad, but it's the only way I see him winning.

He's got very long reach, is harder to hit now, good handspeed, can switch up and can certainly have a frustrating style. I see him as having the capability. He's not a pressure fighter anyway. Wlad hasn't outboxed a 6'9'' guy with those assets before, which I think is an important factor. It works one way but it also works the other.

That being said, I'd be perfectly happy if he does figure he needs to get inside, because he'll get knocked out.

Sanders had very fast hands, and something Fury doesn't serious one shot power - Wlad was also far less judicious in his use of footwork and positioning then, and fought much more square on than he does now, he doesn't really leave those openings any more.

That's all true, but it doesn't change that it's probably Fury's one chance to stop Wlad without instead going to sleep himself.

I concur, I find it hard to envisage any other way he can win it, I think if he tries to get physical on the inside with Wlad, he's going to realise he's in with a much more powerful man, if he tries to box from the outside, he'll find he gets timed with Wlad's own jab, that doesn't leave many options for him against a more adept, and much more powerful puncher.

Hey, I'll be happy to be wrong if Fury wins, and I hope he at least makes a decent go of it, which if he does, I will applaud.

baron_otto wrote:I'm going with exciting but short. Fury will take the fight to Klitschko but get laid out when he walks onto a couple of big right hands

Sounds about right. This one should be fun. Fury has looked way improved lately and he's a colourful character. He'll be fighting the real greatest of all time, though.

I think its an action fight too. Fury won't come to lose like plenty before him have and he won't die wondering like Haye did.

Does Fury have the tools to beat Wlad? Probably not. But he might be the guy who stays in the fight long enough to get lucky.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Maxsplit wrote:

david1963 wrote:Tyson Fury wins this one very, very easily. Either on points or late stoppage. It will be at long range with Klitschko getting busted up.

2 years ago you would have been sectioned for posting that!

Now however, I don't see this as an outlandish outcome at all. Especially as Wladimir will be a couple of months shy of 40 when this fight happens.

Fury could well bust Wlad up at range with his reach advantage and switch hitting.

It will make for a tense fight rather than an action packed one.

What will be fascinating is if the older man is behind on the scorecards going into the final rounds, which I could see happening. What will Wlad do? He is so cautious and long in the tooth does he have it in him to go for broke? It's been over a decade since he's had to ...

If the fight pans out like that, I will eat my own scrotum.

Fury is technically nowhere near as accomplished as Wlad, and his reach advantage will be negated by Wlad's footwork.

Please post a video of this on youtube.

The pre-fight antics of Fury will probably be more exciting than the fight itself. I do like the match-up in terms of a prime age Fury that has an abundance of confidence, being taller than Wlad. It will probably go the distance, with Wlad knocking down Fury a couple of times. What Fury lacks in skill, he makes it up with heart. (and his big mouth)