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I have watched the fight several times and it was at very best 8 rounds to 4 Floyd winning and I am a huge Manny fan but Floyd was and is to slick and cagey of a boxer for Manny even if Manny did get hurt he still would not have won the fight at his best

I originally watched it with Russian commentary (of which I understand nothing) and scored it 8-4 Floyd. No way I'm re-watching it.

118-110 Mayweather for me,anything closer than 116-112 is just plain wrong IMO

handsofstone wrote:118-110 Mayweather for me,anything closer than 116-112 is just plain wrong IMO

that is a close as i had it but i could only give Pac 1 round and a share of 2

I watched it without sound during the replay on Saturday before Canelo-Kirkland. I saw it more or less the same way as originally. 8-4 for Mayweather. A couple of those were very close and I felt they could have gone to Floyd or been even, but I have trouble seeing anymore for Pac.

118-110 to 115-112 would be the high-low range for me, to put it another way.

FloydtheDuck wrote:Effective aggressiveness ?, or some will say clean effective punches

That is to say if you land and it does nothing to stop your opponent from continuing attack. How clean and effective are you ?

By running you're clearly giving away the effective aggressiveness and your punches having much effect


I always cite Paulie v Juan Diaz 1, People and announcers were all for paulie. But if you watch the fight , I don't care if paulie outlanded him 10:1. The punches had no effect on Juan, and every time Diaz threw, it was backing paulie up

Manny was the one doing most of the pursuing, so it was his case to state how effective his aggressiveness was, I never gave Floyd that many points for that unless he was the one coming forward and only if he was landing.

You keep pointing out this "running" thing that I really don't see, there were quite a few times Manny backpedalled but you fail to call that running.

Effective doesn't mean they have to cause damage or visibly hurt the opponent, it simply means if it caused your opponent to fail to impose his will or if it altered what he was intending on doing at the moment you landed your shot.

Here's an example; Floyd was coming forward and Manny landed a shot that made Floyd readjust, it clearly didn't hurt Floyd but it was effective enough to make him readjust and do something different.

The bout wasn't close enough to warrant watching it without sound.

I could watch it with English commentary, American commentary, Mandarin commentary, or the full Royal Philharmonic Orchestra playing & I would still have Mayweather Jr as an easy winner.

Watching in a noisy pro-Pacquiao pub:
116-114 Pacquiao

Watching at home with the pro-Mayweather British commentary:
115-114 Mayweather

I feel I was swayed by the crowd in the pub, whereas I managed to ignore the British commentary enough to give an accurate score.

Floyd clearly won rounds 1, 5, 8 and 11 and 12.
Floyd edged round 9
Manny clearly won rounds 4 and 6
Manny edged rounds 3, and 10
Rounds 2 and 7 could go either way (I scored 2 for Manny, and 7 an even round)

jezzamundo wrote:Watching in a noisy pro-Pacquiao pub:
116-114 Pacquiao

Watching at home with the pro-Mayweather British commentary:
115-114 Mayweather

I feel I was swayed by the crowd in the pub, whereas I managed to ignore the British commentary enough to give an accurate score.

Floyd clearly won rounds 1, 5, 8 and 11 and 12.
Floyd edged round 9
Manny clearly won rounds 4 and 6
Manny edged rounds 3, and 10
Rounds 2 and 7 could go either way (I scored 2 for Manny, and 7 an even round)

i just think there were many close rounds, that
could go either way. this fight happening in
1952 and floyd loses by UD for inactivity and
not trying to make the fight. i don't think this
is a good thing, but it illustrates this was no
shut out for floyd.

man wrote: i just think there were many close rounds, that could go either way. this fight happening in 1952 and floyd loses by UD for inactivity and not trying to make the fight. i don't think this is a good thing, but it illustrates this was no shut out for floyd.

It was a shutout on the judges cards (the only cards that matter) and for those of us who saw it, every fighter I know has said that Floyd won clearly and easily.

Not one boxing writer outside of Skip Bayless agrees that this fight was even remotely close, only PaTards think this fight was close.

Are Holyfield, Mosley, and Foreman pactards?

Iole had it close as well.

I had Floyd winning 8 rounds to four. But to rule out anyone having it close as a pactard is ignorance.

Impractical Poster wrote:Are Holyfield, Mosley, and Foreman pactards?

Iole had it close as well.

I had Floyd winning 8 rounds to four. But to rule out anyone having it close as a pactard is ignorance.

Holyfield and Foreman most definitely are PacTards, they actually picked him to win, Mosley was just being politically correct because Manny beat him so he couldn't make it sound all that bad against either man otherwise it would've looked like the sour grapes all the PacTards are experiencing in this loss to Mayweather.

I tried both the HD and regular versions; watching it in a mirror; standing on my head; slow motion; fast forward; in reverse; black & white; color, etc.

Mayweather still won 9 rounds to 3.

it is easy. everyone who saw it close is a
pactard, so no one who is not a pactard
can have seen it close. kind of beautiful
argument.

KBB wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:Are Holyfield, Mosley, and Foreman pactards?

Iole had it close as well.

I had Floyd winning 8 rounds to four. But to rule out anyone having it close as a pactard is ignorance.

Holyfield and Foreman most definitely are PacTards, they actually picked him to win, Mosley was just being politically correct because Manny beat him so he couldn't make it sound all that bad against either man otherwise it would've looked like the sour grapes all the PacTards are experiencing in this loss to Mayweather.

You're the biggest pactard goin brut, all you ever talk about is your beloved Pacquiao. I bet you're a scorned mistress.

man wrote:it is easy. everyone who saw it close is a
pactard, so no one who is not a pactard
can have seen it close. kind of beautiful
argument.

The dude aint sane. Leave it.
Yes floyd won 8-4 or so. They way he did it was bit embarressing really. Self proclaimed goat, outrunning a physically way smaller man. But Void again showed he is the best at running in a combat sport...

I think it was a close fight. I did some research and compared various press scorecards.

Lederman gave the 2nd for Pac. Rafael gave the 3rd and 5th to Pac. Two of the official cards gave him 9 and 10 too. Pugmire gave the 7th and 8th to Pac. Gareth Davies scored round 8 for Pac and after 10 wrote that "controversy is brewing". Bob Velin from Boxingjunkie gave Pac rounds 2, 3, 7, 10. Rounds 4 and 6 are not debatable. To sum up, you have at least 8 rounds which were arguably Pacquiao rounds at least by two credible scorers: 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 (and you have Rafael's score giving round 5 to Pac).

Now of course it is not appropriate to combine alleged Pacquiao rounds from several cards, but it is still clear that there were quite a number of debatable rounds and it was in no way an easy or wide win for Floyd.

I personally think he edged it. When first watching the fight I gave Pac rounds 3, 4, 6, 9 and 10. I could not really make up my mind about round 12: Floyd was in control for the first 60 seconds but then he decided to get on his bike and to carefully avoid any contact with Manny in the ring. I scored that 10-10. So I had 115-114 for Floyd. Having rewatched it I think round 9 was also an even round, not a clear Pac round. There were a number of people in the pub scoring the 2nd for Pac.

Someone wrote that if the fight was one single round, Mayweather would have been the rightful winner. I agree. This fight went down at his pace and under his command. However, he was always aiming at edging the rounds, not winning them convincingly (except perhaps in round 11 or round 5), and that is why this ended up being a close fight. I don't think a rematch is unreasonable, it could have been scored a draw.

KBB wrote:

Impractical Poster wrote:Are Holyfield, Mosley, and Foreman pactards?

Iole had it close as well.

I had Floyd winning 8 rounds to four. But to rule out anyone having it close as a pactard is ignorance.

Holyfield and Foreman most definitely are PacTards, they actually picked him to win, Mosley was just being politically correct because Manny beat him so he couldn't make it sound all that bad against either man otherwise it would've looked like the sour grapes all the PacTards are experiencing in this loss to Mayweather.

Why did Kevin have it close? Don't you know him too? And his thought processes?

Daft P wrote:I think it was a close fight. I did some research and compared various press scorecards.

Lederman gave the 2nd for Pac. Rafael gave the 3rd and 5th to Pac. Two of the official cards gave him 9 and 10 too. Pugmire gave the 7th and 8th to Pac. Gareth Davies scored round 8 for Pac and after 10 wrote that "controversy is brewing". Bob Velin from Boxingjunkie gave Pac rounds 2, 3, 7, 10. Rounds 4 and 6 are not debatable. To sum up, you have at least 8 rounds which were arguably Pacquiao rounds at least by two credible scorers: 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 (and you have Rafael's score giving round 5 to Pac).

Now of course it is not appropriate to combine alleged Pacquiao rounds from several cards, but it is still clear that there were quite a number of debatable rounds and it was in no way an easy or wide win for Floyd.

I personally think he edged it. When first watching the fight I gave Pac rounds 3, 4, 6, 9 and 10. I could not really make up my mind about round 12: Floyd was in control for the first 60 seconds but then he decided to get on his bike and to carefully avoid any contact with Manny in the ring. I scored that 10-10. So I had 115-114 for Floyd. Having rewatched it I think round 9 was also an even round, not a clear Pac round. There were a number of people in the pub scoring the 2nd for Pac.

Someone wrote that if the fight was one single round, Mayweather would have been the rightful winner. I agree. This fight went down at his pace and under his command. However, he was always aiming at edging the rounds, not winning them convincingly (except perhaps in round 11 or round 5), and that is why this ended up being a close fight. I don't think a rematch is unreasonable, it could have been scored a draw.

Nice post

Ricky_ wrote:

Daft P wrote:I think it was a close fight. I did some research and compared various press scorecards.

Lederman gave the 2nd for Pac. Rafael gave the 3rd and 5th to Pac. Two of the official cards gave him 9 and 10 too. Pugmire gave the 7th and 8th to Pac. Gareth Davies scored round 8 for Pac and after 10 wrote that "controversy is brewing". Bob Velin from Boxingjunkie gave Pac rounds 2, 3, 7, 10. Rounds 4 and 6 are not debatable. To sum up, you have at least 8 rounds which were arguably Pacquiao rounds at least by two credible scorers: 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 (and you have Rafael's score giving round 5 to Pac).

Now of course it is not appropriate to combine alleged Pacquiao rounds from several cards, but it is still clear that there were quite a number of debatable rounds and it was in no way an easy or wide win for Floyd.

I personally think he edged it. When first watching the fight I gave Pac rounds 3, 4, 6, 9 and 10. I could not really make up my mind about round 12: Floyd was in control for the first 60 seconds but then he decided to get on his bike and to carefully avoid any contact with Manny in the ring. I scored that 10-10. So I had 115-114 for Floyd. Having rewatched it I think round 9 was also an even round, not a clear Pac round. There were a number of people in the pub scoring the 2nd for Pac.

Someone wrote that if the fight was one single round, Mayweather would have been the rightful winner. I agree. This fight went down at his pace and under his command. However, he was always aiming at edging the rounds, not winning them convincingly (except perhaps in round 11 or round 5), and that is why this ended up being a close fight. I don't think a rematch is unreasonable, it could have been scored a draw.

Nice post

Here's a even nicer post that happens to be true too, Manny LOST!!

Daft P wrote:I think it was a close fight. I did some research and compared various press scorecards.

Lederman gave the 2nd for Pac. Rafael gave the 3rd and 5th to Pac. Two of the official cards gave him 9 and 10 too. Pugmire gave the 7th and 8th to Pac. Gareth Davies scored round 8 for Pac and after 10 wrote that "controversy is brewing". Bob Velin from Boxingjunkie gave Pac rounds 2, 3, 7, 10. Rounds 4 and 6 are not debatable. To sum up, you have at least 8 rounds which were arguably Pacquiao rounds at least by two credible scorers: 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9 and 10 (and you have Rafael's score giving round 5 to Pac).

Now of course it is not appropriate to combine alleged Pacquiao rounds from several cards, but it is still clear that there were quite a number of debatable rounds and it was in no way an easy or wide win for Floyd.

I personally think he edged it. When first watching the fight I gave Pac rounds 3, 4, 6, 9 and 10. I could not really make up my mind about round 12: Floyd was in control for the first 60 seconds but then he decided to get on his bike and to carefully avoid any contact with Manny in the ring. I scored that 10-10. So I had 115-114 for Floyd. Having rewatched it I think round 9 was also an even round, not a clear Pac round. There were a number of people in the pub scoring the 2nd for Pac.

Someone wrote that if the fight was one single round, Mayweather would have been the rightful winner. I agree. This fight went down at his pace and under his command. However, he was always aiming at edging the rounds, not winning them convincingly (except perhaps in round 11 or round 5), and that is why this ended up being a close fight. I don't think a rematch is unreasonable, it could have been scored a draw.

signed.

FloydtheDuck wrote:a better thread title would be " try watching manny vs Mayweather without falling asleep"

ajwesty13 wrote:

FloydtheDuck wrote:a better thread title would be " try watching manny vs Mayweather without falling asleep"

Exactly, if only Manny had did something, anything but NOOOO, he stunk out the joint by being mostly ineffective.

115-113 for Mayweather

It was much closer than the official scorecards indicate. There were several rounds in which Mayweather did little except run - not that Pacquiao did much, but in those rounds he did a bit more.

Freedom2013 wrote:115-113 for Mayweather

It was much closer than the official scorecards indicate. There were several rounds in which Mayweather did little except run - not that Pacquiao did much, but in those rounds he did a bit more.

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