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Re: Is Jamie McDonnell A Genuine World Champ??

Posted: 06 Jun 2015, 03:56
by Autobarn
Multiple titles are a reality.

McDonnell has beaten hall (a classic, matching future ibf titlists), ceja and kameda in superb contests. In the kameda fight, Great to see him solving problems, adjusting and winning!

He's well schooled, one of our best combination punchers, and is probably Britain's best 12 round fighter, always pulling out the 12th round in the hard fights.

Ok we don't recognize wba regular but he just beat the wbo holder without gaining the belt, and never lost his ibf crown in the ring.

Fingers crossed he beats kameda again in what could develop into a fierce rivalry.

Signs of him being too big at the weight, can lead to sluggish performances and this could be the beating of him. Want to see a move to 122 before it can happen - and think Leo Santa Cruz is the perfect opponent for a classic battle.

Re: Is Jamie McDonnell A Genuine World Champ??

Posted: 06 Jun 2015, 04:43
by Broomhall
Given the state of the game and the multiplicity of titles on offer I would day Mcdonnell is as genuine a champ as anyone out there. Be nice to see him maintain his momentum.

Re: Is Jamie McDonnell A Genuine World Champ??

Posted: 06 Jun 2015, 05:32
by dbf
I love the fact he actually doesn't follow or particularly like boxing. Just makes it all the more incredible to me. He's picked up two belts and beat a world champion in his last fight. Much credit. He's as legit a champion as anyone at bantamweight.

I find it slightly wierd when you have some fighters who know everything about anything in boxing - I don't know why and this may be obscure but most of my favorite fighters have only a basic knowledge of other boxers in different weight classes in general.

Re: Is Jamie McDonnell A Genuine World Champ??

Posted: 06 Jun 2015, 05:39
by Bard of Boxrec
Bobbyptsd wrote:"Is Jamie McDonnell A Genuine World Champ??"

I don't know, did he beat Yamanaka, and I missed it?

I mean there's either one world champ, or there might as well be none.
This, and this.

I arks you all. Stop obsessing and fussing over the alphabet soup. It's MEANINGLESS.

There is ONE world champ in each division. Or none, where it hasn't been proven beyond doubt.

Re: Is Jamie McDonnell A Genuine World Champ??

Posted: 06 Jun 2015, 07:46
by Autobarn
Yamanaka may be really good but he isn't always defending vs quality and most rank him mainly due to longevity. Not like he was matched directly, vs the best, to be the best. After mares moved up, then yamanaka seemed to grow on ppl.

Love Asian boxing but a) they seldom unify (only a couple or 3 unification in Japanese boxing history) and b) they seldom crossover with any other country than Thailand.

Good that Jamie won on hbo and likely to fight on that platform again in the immediate rematch. As he said after last fight, "I must be doing something right".

Re: Is Jamie McDonnell A Genuine World Champ??

Posted: 06 Jun 2015, 09:05
by crusader
I think Yamanaka has generally beaten superior opposition over the last few years while looking more impressive (McD is in an awful lot of close, tough fights), and he beat their common foe much more convincingly. He doesn't always fight 'quality', but a look at four of McD's last five opponents indicates the same about him.

Hall was never better than European-level and won his IBF title in a joke of a world title bout before losing it in his first defense to someone in a similar situation (notice how out of his depth Butler was against a legitimate world class fighter), while Ceja had a fairly padded record and has continued beating nothing but uninspiring opposition. McDonnell probably has the best win between them over the last few years, but in the main I think Yamanaka is clearly deserving of the higher ranking.

Re: Is Jamie McDonnell A Genuine World Champ??

Posted: 06 Jun 2015, 10:04
by Autobarn
I really rate Mac's wins over hall and ceja. These guys were dangerous, physically strong opponents.

Hall was in good fights after this, with malinga and butler. Ceja was a fine fight for a vacant title. We won't see better fights than Mac-hall and Mac-ceja in Doncaster again.

Jamie's career s moving pretty fast all of a sudden and I reckon if he can keep producing on hbo he'll have more good names on his ledger. During the hall fight I could see he had the goods, believed he'd deliver v ceja and now he's beaten a considerable talent in kameda.

I'd assumed yamanaka had been champ for more than 4 years. He's fought a few smaller guys moving up, darchinyan., Rojas, tunacao (whom the great pongsaklek demolished at flyweight similar to Tyson-berbick) and sor rungvisai (who gave pongsaklek a great fight at playwright). But good fighters all the same. Props to him,busy enough champ. Any of his fights I should get hold of?

Re: Is Jamie McDonnell A Genuine World Champ??

Posted: 06 Jun 2015, 10:13
by Datsue
^ Yamanaka vs Rojas, Tunacao, Sor Rungvisai & vs upcoming Lee Haskins opponent Ryosuke Iwasa.

Re: Is Jamie McDonnell A Genuine World Champ??

Posted: 06 Jun 2015, 12:13
by Autobarn
He does look good yamanaka. Moves nicely, punches in combination well, a slick fighter who uses aggression - at the right time.

Hope he gets a big/"defining" fight, like ioka's been in with yaegashi or like yaegashi was in vs porpramook. Always enjoyed eastern boxing.

Re: Is Jamie McDonnell A Genuine World Champ??

Posted: 08 Jun 2015, 09:14
by freddydoesdallas
Horse wrote:
Galvanised Clout wrote:Napa, Jamoye, Ceja ??
Napa was the only decision that was not popular. He deserved the wins against Jamoye and Ceja.

He also lost close decisions against Haskins and Edwards.
It was popular in my house as i had a tenner on him in-running at 10/1