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1 floyd
2 floyd (floyd gets the first warning for holding)
3 manny (floyd gets a second warning, keeps holding, does a headlock, point deduction)
4 manny (has 3 moments where he attacks with a flurry of punches, wobbles floyd)
5 floyd
6 10:10 (both don't land much other than air, floyd lands some clear one time shots, manny has his moments landing body shots in combination punching)
7 10:10 (floyd comes out strong, lands some in the first half of the round, manny attacks and lands some and dominates the second half of the round)
8 manny (floyd has his moments, body shots, 2 left hooks, some counters, but overall manny is the aggressor, scores points when he does his flurrys, very close round)
9 10:10 (manny the aggressor, lands much more than floyd in the first half of the round, second half floyd is more presice and picks manny appart, very close round)
10 manny (floyd starts the round good, than stops punching at all, while manny scoring points with ~ 4 attacks of combination punching)
11 floyd
12 manny (floyd started well, landing precise shots, but manny also landing shots, floyd stops boxing, starts running, manny chases, punches, wins the round based on aggression)

winner manny 116:115

Chepppaaa wrote:1 floyd
2 floyd (floyd gets the first warning for holding)
3 manny (floyd gets a second warning, keeps holding, does a headlock, point deduction)
4 manny (has 3 moments where he attacks with a flurry of punches, wobbles floyd)
5 floyd
6 10:10 (both don't land much other than air, floyd lands some clear one time shots, manny has his moments landing body shots in combination punching)
7 10:10 (floyd comes out strong, lands some in the first half of the round, manny attacks and lands some and dominates the second half of the round)
8 manny (floyd has his moments, body shots, 2 left hooks, some counters, but overall manny is the aggressor, scores points when he does his flurrys, very close round)
9 10:10 (manny the aggressor, lands much more than floyd in the first half of the round, second half floyd is more presice and picks manny appart, very close round)
10 manny (floyd starts the round good, than stops punching at all, while manny scoring points with ~ 4 attacks of combination punching)
11 floyd
12 manny (floyd started well, landing precise shots, but manny also landing shots, floyd stops boxing, starts running, manny chases, punches, wins the round based on aggression)

winner manny 116:115

Your boy lost clearly and cleanly, missing all night. You just can't accept it, you are by far the worst of the bunch.

KBB wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:1 floyd
2 floyd (floyd gets the first warning for holding)
3 manny (floyd gets a second warning, keeps holding, does a headlock, point deduction)
4 manny (has 3 moments where he attacks with a flurry of punches, wobbles floyd)
5 floyd
6 10:10 (both don't land much other than air, floyd lands some clear one time shots, manny has his moments landing body shots in combination punching)
7 10:10 (floyd comes out strong, lands some in the first half of the round, manny attacks and lands some and dominates the second half of the round)
8 manny (floyd has his moments, body shots, 2 left hooks, some counters, but overall manny is the aggressor, scores points when he does his flurrys, very close round)
9 10:10 (manny the aggressor, lands much more than floyd in the first half of the round, second half floyd is more presice and picks manny appart, very close round)
10 manny (floyd starts the round good, than stops punching at all, while manny scoring points with ~ 4 attacks of combination punching)
11 floyd
12 manny (floyd started well, landing precise shots, but manny also landing shots, floyd stops boxing, starts running, manny chases, punches, wins the round based on aggression)

winner manny 116:115

Your boy lost clearly and cleanly, missing all night. You just can't accept it, you are by far the worst of the bunch.

both missed all day, both were clean in the face after the fight, it was a close unaction boring fight, with rarely anybody wobbling or hurting anybody. manny did once or twice wobbled floyd, floyd never wobbled manny and both never hurt each other. basicly not much happened during 12 rounds. thats way the fight was so boring.

Chepppaaa wrote:both missed all day, both were clean in the face after the fight, it was a close unaction boring fight, with rarely anybody wobbling or hurting anybody. manny did once or twice wobbled floyd, floyd never wobbled manny and both never hurt each other. basicly not much happened during 12 rounds. thats way the fight was so boring.

No the fight was boring because your boy Manny was mostly missing, he threw about 8 less shots than Floyd and only landed 81 punches, he got shutdown hard, it was his lowest numbers EVER in ANY of his fights but you guys still won't admit that he lost fair and square.

It is so funny and sad to see the menstrual cycle that you are on, continue undressing yourself of all this venom and hate you have for Floyd.

I know you guys Hate little Floydie so much and wanted him to get KO'd or lose so badly that it hurts you to accept the reality/truth.

Floyd won the fight, can we please accept it and move on without the excuses and BS?

koolkc107 wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:I need to rewatch the fight to score it properly, but I remember I scored the first six rounds as such. I scored the fight 116-114 to Pacquiao, though admittedly I was in a very pro Pacquiao pub where every Manny flurry was being cheered loudly.

Round 1 - Mayweather clear
Round 2 - Pacquiao, close
Round 3 - Pacquiao, close
Round 4 - Pacquiao big
Round 5 - Mayweather big
Round 6 - Pacquiao clear

For the record, I think 116-112 to Mayweather is reasonable because of the number of close rounds. I don't think the shoulder was a major factor, but I do think that Mayweather was too defensive which cost him some of the close rounds on my scorecard.

For the reocrd, I am not a Floyd hater and had him beating Canelo very widely, I just don't think he performed nearly as well in this fight.

Not that Compubox is any final authority, but they do speak volumes against some of your choices.

In round 2, Floyd outlanded Pac 11 to 6, equalling Manny in powershots (6) but connecting with 5 jabs more.
In round 3, it got worse. Floyd doubled Manny in jabs 4 to 2, and almost quadrupled him in power shots landing 11 to Manny's 3.
No one got seriously hurt in either round 2 or 3, but it was clear Floyd was landing the sharper, crisper blows.

So how did you give 2 and 3 to Manny? How did you see them close?

http://www.BS.com/forums/view. ... o-compubox

I think it's a good idea that you rewatch rounds 3, because the compubox numbers are WAY off for that round in particular. To me rounds 2 and 3 are close rounds that Manny edged through landing the harder punches while Floyd did a lot of missing and landing mostly jabs that didn't bother Manny much. I'm very surprised that none of the judges gave any of these rounds to Pacquiao, it smells a bit fishy to me. To me the first six rounds were quite easy to score, while a lot of the final six rounds were very close, swing rounds.

Not that Compubox is any final authority, but they do speak volumes against some of your choices.

No they don't, at least not any more than jezzamundo seeing things differently speaks volumes against CompuBox's numbers.

CompuBox stats are two or three people's error-prone opinions about who threw and landed what, and to act like these opinions constitute facts about how often the fighters hit each other is nonsensical. In my view Floyd won clearly and I'm not one of those whose opinion you're soliciting, but even I'm skeptical of the CompuBox numbers for certain rounds.

Defense
Ring Generalship
Clean punching
Effective Aggression


Pacquaio won the fight because in nearly every round he won 3/4 of the criteria. Judging seems to be inexplicably bias towards defense ahead of the other 3 these days though. Even from a defensive point of view Pacquaio was very good, he caught alot of Mayweathers shots on his gloves (not that they had anything on them anyway), much of Maywetahers punches were just touches that weren't close to making contact with the knuckle.




Beautiful counter-punching the counter-puncher .

Ricky_ wrote:Defense
Ring Generalship
Clean punching
Effective Aggression


Pacquaio won the fight because in nearly every round he won 3/4 of the criteria. Judging seems to be inexplicably bias towards defense ahead of the other 3 these days though. Even from a defensive point of view Pacquaio was very good, he caught alot of Mayweathers shots on his gloves (not that they had anything on them anyway), much of Maywetahers punches were just touches that weren't close to making contact with the knuckle.




Beautiful counter-punching the counter-puncher .

this is what i had

1 floyd
2 floyd (floyd gets the first warning for holding)
3 manny (floyd gets a second warning, keeps holding, does a headlock, point deduction)
4 manny (has 3 moments where he attacks with a flurry of punches, wobbles floyd)
5 floyd
6 10:10 (both don't land much other than air, floyd lands some clear one time shots, manny has his moments landing body shots in combination punching)
7 10:10 (floyd comes out strong, lands some in the first half of the round, manny attacks and lands some and dominates the second half of the round)
8 manny (floyd has his moments, body shots, 2 left hooks, some counters, but overall manny is the aggressor, scores points when he does his flurrys, very close round)
9 10:10 (manny the aggressor, lands much more than floyd in the first half of the round, second half floyd is more presice and picks manny appart, very close round)
10 manny (floyd starts the round good, than stops punching at all, while manny scoring points with ~ 4 attacks of combination punching)
11 floyd
12 manny (floyd started well, landing precise shots, but manny also landing shots, floyd stops boxing, starts running, manny chases, punches, wins the round based on aggression)

winner manny 116:115

just gone through rounds 2 and 3 at 1/4 speed, round 2 floyd threw48 punches connected with 7, 3 were soft body rips while holding pacquaio in a clinch,pac threw 34 and landed with 7-------- round 3 floyd threw 31 punches and landed 4, pacquaio also threw 31 and landed 8, also hunted floyd for majority of round, both rounds floyd mainly going backwards or sidewards

Pureist wrote:just gone through rounds 2 and 3 at 1/4 speed, round 2 floyd threw48 punches connected with 7, 3 were soft body rips while holding pacquaio in a clinch,pac threw 34 and landed with 7-------- round 3 floyd threw 31 punches and landed 4, pacquaio also threw 31 and landed 8, also hunted floyd for majority of round, both rounds floyd mainly going backwards or sidewards

thats way i had some 10:10 rounds because both were throwing nothing but air or guard, no clear punches.

but the clearer shot landed overall were by manny.

I just rewatched the fight for the first time. British commentary (who seemed ridiculously biased towards Floyd, particularly early in the fight) turned on, as painful as it was at times.

Round 1 - Mayweather very clear - threw more, landed more, Pacquiao did little
Round 2 - Pacquiao close, swing round - could reasonably be scored for either fighter
Round 3 - Pacquiao close but clear - neither landed anything meaningful, but Manny's aggression and activity win it for me, I think you have to be very generous to Floyd to give him this one
Round 4 - Pacquiao dominant
Round 5 - Mayweather dominant
Round 6 - Pacquiao clear, threw more and landed the harder punches
Round 7 - Even round - Swing round. Mayweather threw more but was very innacurate, Manny landed the crisper punches, but didn't throw enough.
Round 8 - Mayweather clear, competitive early, but Floyd clearly outboxed and landed him over the last minute
Round 9 - Mayweather close, swing round - similar to round 8 but Manny did a bit better and you could give it to him on activity, though I don't
Round 10 - Pacquiao close - Swing round, Manny missing a lot, Floyd not throwing many meaningful punches.
Round 11 - Mayweather clear - beautiful counterpunching from Floyd, though neither landed anything meaningful
Round 12 - Mayweather clear - Floyd was very negative late in the round, but clearly outboxed Manny for most of the round

Final scorecard: Mayweather 115-114

Looking back at my first scoring of the fight, I originally scored round 12 for Manny, but I admit I got this wrong and was probably swayed by the crowd and Floyd's lack of punches in the final minute. I don't remember the rest of my original RBR for the final six rounds.

I scored the fight 115-113 to Floyd but have not watched the fight since watching it live at a packed out student union. I wanted Pacquiao to win as a fan but I don't dislike Floyd and had a small bet on him to win. Also, most of the SU were casual Pac-man fans who vociferously showed their support all night by whooping and clapping everytime Pacquiao launched his little bursts. I mention this for context because I feel that I am normally pretty good at scoring fights, however my circumstances were unique for this one and I may have been caught up in the event slightly.

My main reason for the score was that I felt Manny's defense was better than people gave him credit for, I thought he made Floyd miss a lot and also blocked many of his shots, this led to a few rounds where barely anything was landed; making them very close. I can see the score being anywhere from around 116-112 to Floyd to 115-114 to Floyd, the latter of which would have been my score for the night, but 30 seconds or so after a round a gave split, I decided Floyd just edged it.

I think that it was the second round which makes my score different to most as I gave it to Pac-man, most gave it to Floyd and had I done so I would have had it 116-112 to Money.

I'll have to re-watch the fight to be sure

jezzamundo wrote:I just rewatched the fight for the first time. British commentary (who seemed ridiculously biased towards Floyd, particularly early in the fight) turned on, as painful as it was at times.

Round 1 - Mayweather very clear - threw more, landed more, Pacquiao did little
Round 2 - Pacquiao close, swing round - could reasonably be scored for either fighter
Round 3 - Pacquiao close but clear - neither landed anything meaningful, but Manny's aggression and activity win it for me, I think you have to be very generous to Floyd to give him this one
Round 4 - Pacquiao dominant
Round 5 - Mayweather dominant
Round 6 - Pacquiao clear, threw more and landed the harder punches
Round 7 - Even round - Swing round. Mayweather threw more but was very innacurate, Manny landed the crisper punches, but didn't throw enough.
Round 8 - Mayweather clear, competitive early, but Floyd clearly outboxed and landed him over the last minute
Round 9 - Mayweather close, swing round - similar to round 8 but Manny did a bit better and you could give it to him on activity, though I don't
Round 10 - Pacquiao close - Swing round, Manny missing a lot, Floyd not throwing many meaningful punches.
Round 11 - Mayweather clear - beautiful counterpunching from Floyd, though neither landed anything meaningful
Round 12 - Mayweather clear - Floyd was very negative late in the round, but clearly outboxed Manny for most of the round

Final scorecard: Mayweather 115-114

Looking back at my first scoring of the fight, I originally scored round 12 for Manny, but I admit I got this wrong and was probably swayed by the crowd and Floyd's lack of punches in the final minute. I don't remember the rest of my original RBR for the final six rounds.

This is pretty much how I saw it

Pureist wrote:just gone through rounds 2 and 3 at 1/4 speed, round 2 floyd threw48 punches connected with 7, 3 were soft body rips while holding pacquaio in a clinch,pac threw 34 and landed with 7-------- round 3 floyd threw 31 punches and landed 4, pacquaio also threw 31 and landed 8, also hunted floyd for majority of round, both rounds floyd mainly going backwards or sidewards

Don't know what you and others are counting as landed punches.

Just did the same thing you did and found Compubox pretty accurate for this fight.

I do grant that they can get things wrong...

koolkc107 wrote:Don't know what you and others are counting as landed punches.

Just did the same thing you did and found Compubox pretty accurate for this fight.

I do grant that they can get things wrong...

The main problem in ALL of Manny Pacquiao fights is that they assume because he's throwing all those punches that he is landing and he really isn't, the crowd starts screaming about anything little punch he throws whether it lands or not.

People get caught up in Hero Worship and Euphoria and never stop to see whether the shots he is throwing are actually landing or not!!

They showed on the Mayweather vs Pacquiao series on SHO those punches in slow mo and you can clearly see Manny missing badly but yet stupid fans of his was screaming as though the punches were landing when they really weren't.

No rematch, Manny lost but they will continue to post up other BS to try and justify their lame claim.

KBB wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Don't know what you and others are counting as landed punches.

Just did the same thing you did and found Compubox pretty accurate for this fight.

I do grant that they can get things wrong...

The main problem in ALL of Manny Pacquiao fights is that they assume because he's throwing all those punches that he is landing and he really isn't, the crowd starts screaming about anything little punch he throws whether it lands or not.

People get caught up in Hero Worship and Euphoria and never stop to see whether the shots he is throwing are actually landing or not!!

They showed on the Mayweather vs Pacquiao series on SHO those punches in slow mo and you can clearly see Manny missing badly but yet stupid fans of his was screaming as though the punches were landing when they really weren't.

No rematch, Manny lost but they will continue to post up other BS to try and justify their lame claim.

I am guessing some fans are having trouble deciding what is a legal scoring punch.

It has to be to the front of the face and body, not a guy's back of the head or back of the shoulder.

Manny landed a few to the back of Floyd's shoulder and back as Mayweather wheeled off the rope a few times.

I am thinking this is where some of the confusion is coming from.

While I only had Floyd winning by a single point, I agree no rematch - both are on the slide and it would probably be even worse than this fight. It's fair that Floyd won, but I do think the judges were generous with him.

Most people counting in slow motion aren't seeing Manny landing many extra punches, they're seeing Floyd landing far less than he was credited for by Compubox.

koolkc107 wrote:I am guessing some fans are having trouble deciding what is a legal scoring punch.

It has to be to the front of the face and body, not a guy's back of the head or back of the shoulder.

Manny landed a few to the back of Floyd's shoulder and back as Mayweather wheeled off the rope a few times.

I am thinking this is where some of the confusion is coming from.

Honestly they know what a clean punch is but they are in denial right now and will count anything whether it lands or not as a clean blow just to try and justify their BS.

jezzamundo wrote:While I only had Floyd winning by a single point, I agree no rematch - both are on the slide and it would probably be even worse than this fight. It's fair that Floyd won, but I do think the judges were generous with him.

Most people counting in slow motion aren't seeing Manny landing many extra punches, they're seeing Floyd landing far less than he was credited for by Compubox.

Well the numbers I get are very close to what Compubox listed.

Blocked punches don't count.

Punches landed on the back or back of a shoulder don't count.

Punches landed on a guy's arms or gloves don't count.

koolkc107 wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:While I only had Floyd winning by a single point, I agree no rematch - both are on the slide and it would probably be even worse than this fight. It's fair that Floyd won, but I do think the judges were generous with him.

Most people counting in slow motion aren't seeing Manny landing many extra punches, they're seeing Floyd landing far less than he was credited for by Compubox.

Well the numbers I get are very close to what Compubox listed.

Blocked punches don't count.

Punches landed on the back or back of a shoulder don't count.

Punches landed on a guy's arms or gloves don't count.

i made my rd by rd, what is your take?

koolkc107 wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:While I only had Floyd winning by a single point, I agree no rematch - both are on the slide and it would probably be even worse than this fight. It's fair that Floyd won, but I do think the judges were generous with him.

Most people counting in slow motion aren't seeing Manny landing many extra punches, they're seeing Floyd landing far less than he was credited for by Compubox.

Well the numbers I get are very close to what Compubox listed.

Blocked punches don't count.

Punches landed on the back or back of a shoulder don't count.

Punches landed on a guy's arms or gloves don't count.

I haven't watched it in slow-motion and don't intend to. As I said, Manny generally isn't being credited with many (or in some cases any) extra punches landed by people watching in slow motion, the number that changes is Floyd's punches landed, many seem to think Compubox credited him for about twice as many punches as he actually landed.

Chepppaaa wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:While I only had Floyd winning by a single point, I agree no rematch - both are on the slide and it would probably be even worse than this fight. It's fair that Floyd won, but I do think the judges were generous with him.

Most people counting in slow motion aren't seeing Manny landing many extra punches, they're seeing Floyd landing far less than he was credited for by Compubox.

Well the numbers I get are very close to what Compubox listed.

Blocked punches don't count.

Punches landed on the back or back of a shoulder don't count.

Punches landed on a guy's arms or gloves don't count.

i made my rd by rd, what is your take?

I saw the fight a lot like Lederman and Farhood saw it.

I gave Manny 4, 6, and 10. I originally gave Manny the benefit of the doubt on 8, but the view I was watching cut off shortly after that round started and I was unable to get it back until after the round had ended.

When I saw the full round I scored it for Floyd as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH-Ra1zoavo

so you want people to make rd by rd, but than you do not talk about it?

what was about with all the close rounds who couldve gone either way like mid through the fight...?

Chepppaaa wrote:so you want people to make rd by rd, but than you do not talk about it?

what was about with all the close rounds who couldve gone either way like mid through the fight...?

I am talking about it.

Mostly in response to rounds I think folks got wrong.

But, I will give a full breakdown if you like at a later date.

TheWigwam wrote:I scored the fight 115-113 to Floyd but have not watched the fight since watching it live at a packed out student union. I wanted Pacquiao to win as a fan but I don't dislike Floyd and had a small bet on him to win. Also, most of the SU were casual Pac-man fans who vociferously showed their support all night by whooping and clapping everytime Pacquiao launched his little bursts. I mention this for context because I feel that I am normally pretty good at scoring fights, however my circumstances were unique for this one and I may have been caught up in the event slightly.

My main reason for the score was that I felt Manny's defense was better than people gave him credit for, I thought he made Floyd miss a lot and also blocked many of his shots, this led to a few rounds where barely anything was landed; making them very close. I can see the score being anywhere from around 116-112 to Floyd to 115-114 to Floyd, the latter of which would have been my score for the night, but 30 seconds or so after a round a gave split, I decided Floyd just edged it.

I think that it was the second round which makes my score different to most as I gave it to Pac-man, most gave it to Floyd and had I done so I would have had it 116-112 to Money.

I'll have to re-watch the fight to be sure

Very reasonable - I agree with of most of this - perhaps we should be judges?!