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Was it Ayala who supposedly beat up Pipino Cuevas in sparring when he (Ayala) was about 15 or 16? Allegedly?

Yep. And I think it was proven that Cuevas was in another state at the time

Hahaha the usual sparring story then

When ayala returned in the late 90s as a mw he was oy really 6lbs or so heavier than his lean prime .but the older ayala looked shocking like a fat slob.a real fat piece of ssssssssshit like your fat mexican uncle at a banquet who eats loads of green chillies raw with every mouthful

I think Ayala was a mere boy when he handled Cuevas. Cuevas' manager was asking him afterwards, 'Aren't you ashamed at what he did to you?' and all Cuevas could mutter was, 'Increible!'

That's roughly how Berger related the tale.

Just another sparring story legend.

A little punk ass like Ayala, who was supposedly 13 at the time, would have been road kill for a pure, mature puncher like Pipino.

Don't believe the hype. The Ayalas were always full of BS.

Tuan_Jim wrote:I think Ayala was a mere boy when he handled Cuevas. Cuevas' manager was asking him afterwards, 'Aren't you ashamed at what he did to you?' and all Cuevas could mutter was, 'Increible!'

That's roughly how Berger related the tale.

Sparring stories. Yet to find a single one of the far fetched ones proven

An autopsy has confirmed Ayala died of a heroin overdose.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports ... rylink=cpy

mugabi wrote:When ayala returned in the late 90s as a mw he was oy really 6lbs or so heavier than his lean prime .but the older ayala looked shocking like a fat slob.a real fat piece of ssssssssshit like your fat mexican uncle at a banquet who eats loads of green chillies raw with every mouthful

Your posts are really insightful just now Mugabi. Oxford level.

Tomasino wrote:

mugabi wrote:When ayala returned in the late 90s as a mw he was oy really 6lbs or so heavier than his lean prime .but the older ayala looked shocking like a fat slob.a real fat piece of ssssssssshit like your fat mexican uncle at a banquet who eats loads of green chillies raw with every mouthful

Your posts are really insightful just now Mugabi. Oxford level.

You mean it looks as though he types his posts on a gondolier.

palooka wrote:

Tomasino wrote:

mugabi wrote:When ayala returned in the late 90s as a mw he was oy really 6lbs or so heavier than his lean prime .but the older ayala looked shocking like a fat slob.a real fat piece of ssssssssshit like your fat mexican uncle at a banquet who eats loads of green chillies raw with every mouthful

Your posts are really insightful just now Mugabi. Oxford level.

You mean it looks as though he types his posts on a gondolier.

I think he's heavy on the sauce by the vitriolic sound of recent posts...Ayala was trash but my fat Mexican uncles nothing to do with it

he could have left my fat Mexican uncle out of it, its a long story.

SenorPipino wrote:Just another sparring story legend.

A little punk ass like Ayala, who was supposedly 13 at the time, would have been road kill for a pure, mature puncher like Pipino.

Don't believe the hype. The Ayalas were always full of BS.

It was Phil Berger relating the story, a shrewd observer who was entrenched in boxing gyms. He was not a man to place confidence in pugilist fantasia.

bogan whisperer wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:I think Ayala was a mere boy when he handled Cuevas. Cuevas' manager was asking him afterwards, 'Aren't you ashamed at what he did to you?' and all Cuevas could mutter was, 'Increible!'

That's roughly how Berger related the tale.

Sparring stories. Yet to find a single one of the far fetched ones proven

Which ones have you researched?

Tuan_Jim wrote:

bogan whisperer wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:I think Ayala was a mere boy when he handled Cuevas. Cuevas' manager was asking him afterwards, 'Aren't you ashamed at what he did to you?' and all Cuevas could mutter was, 'Increible!'

That's roughly how Berger related the tale.

Sparring stories. Yet to find a single one of the far fetched ones proven

Which ones have you researched?

Have you been able to prove any correct?

bogan whisperer wrote:An autopsy has confirmed Ayala died of a heroin overdose.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports ... rylink=cpy

Big surprise.

He should have taken his final needle several decades earlier and saved the women of San Antonio from some sleepless nights

SenorPipino wrote:

bogan whisperer wrote:An autopsy has confirmed Ayala died of a heroin overdose.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports ... rylink=cpy

Big surprise.

He should have taken his final needle several decades earlier and saved the women of San Antonio from some sleepless nights

I agree though it seems callous, he seems to have caused an awful lot of pain and misery. I'd like to think if I were going to cause such horrible harm to people (rape etc) that I'd take myself out of the game - treat myself to a really big hit of smack and not wake up.

So he was involved in the dirty business of drugs........the no good lousy .....

mugabi wrote:So he was involved in the dirty business of drugs........the no good lousy .....

I think the tying up, rapes and sodomy he did were worse than selling.

palooka wrote:

mugabi wrote:So he was involved in the dirty business of drugs........the no good lousy .....

I think the tying up, rapes and sodomy he did were worse than selling.

I don't realise he was into sodomy, I've more respect for him now. RIP

Tomasino wrote:

palooka wrote:

mugabi wrote:So he was involved in the dirty business of drugs........the no good lousy .....

I think the tying up, rapes and sodomy he did were worse than selling.

I don't realise he was into sodomy, I've more respect for him now. RIP

Only with people who really didn't want it, that's what the rope etc was for Tom.

bogan whisperer wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:Which ones have you researched?

Have you been able to prove any correct?

So your answer to which ones have you researched is "none at all".

Berger, who was up close and in the game, related the story. That counts for something.

You - nobody - contests the story, because of your brainless received wisdom 'sparring stories are all myths'. Page knocking down Tyson would get the same dismissal from you, had it not been captured on videotape.

Can you prove a Greek conquest if we only have Herodotus' word for it? 'Prove it to me, or it never happened!' Where does it end, using your silly logic?

Tuan_Jim wrote:

bogan whisperer wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:Which ones have you researched?

Have you been able to prove any correct?

So your answer to which ones have you researched is "none at all".

Berger, who was up close and in the game, related the story. That counts for something.

You - nobody - contests the story, because of your brainless received wisdom 'sparring stories are all myths'. Page knocking down Tyson would get the same dismissal from you, had it not been captured on videotape.

Can you prove a Greek conquest if we only have Herodotus' word for it? 'Prove it to me, or it never happened!' Where does it end, using your silly logic?

I'll continue to take sparring stories with a grain of salt like most others do.

palooka wrote:

Tomasino wrote:

mugabi wrote:So he was involved in the dirty business of drugs........the no good lousy .....

I think the tying up, rapes and sodomy he did were worse than selling.

I don't realise he was into sodomy, I've more respect for him now. RIP

Only with people who really didn't want it, that's what the rope etc was for Tom.[/quote]


I see...well am back to hating the bastard then