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this would be a big one. but to me ggg should clean out m first. but it seems he doesnt get any good boxer there. so maybe...

When any boxer worth their weight avoids him like the plague at middleweight what can he do, each who have stepped up have been knocked down

I applaud both men if they take this fight.

For GGG it's a win win really, if he loses, he lost to the 2nd best guy at 168, and one of the hardest men in boxing.

If he wins, one hell of a lot of Kudos.

Bobbyptsd wrote:Golovkin absolutely brutalizes Froch. He has a good (or bad, depending on your view) style for GGG.

Froch is much bigger, much stronger, much harder hitting, and all round better than anyone else GGG has met - so I wouldn't be so quick to write Froch off.

ikorolev wrote:Somebody was saying in this forum that Froch doesn't gain much weight between fights walking under the light heavy limit which makes him weigh about the same as Golovkin between the fight. Does anybody know if that is true ?

Yes, I've spoken to people from his camp who said that he weights little over the limit, and doesn't need to cut weight.

There's no doubt however that Carl is a much bigger man than Golovkin. I don't know how he weighs so little, I'm 6.3" and 14 stone, and he was bigger than me in everything except height......and my huge tadger of course, which is probably 1 1/2 stone in itself.

It's a brave man who would take on Froch at Wembley in front of 80,000 people.

Aaronide_ger wrote:Ι Believe that GGG can come to the Weight in at 164-165 Lb and Rehydrate up to 174-175 and not risk getting too much muscle mass because after that he might never be the same if he goes back to 160.. But this will be a huge risk against a Huge elite fighter named Froch.

That is the question! I think GGG can come in at 165 or whatever is natural weight is before de-hydrating to make the 160 pound limits.

GGG is smaller, but I think he's offense is better, he hits harder, starts faster, has an even or better chin, and can be more defensive if needed.

This would be a great fight!

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I applaud both men if they take this fight.

For GGG it's a win win really, if he loses, he lost to the 2nd best guy at 168, and one of the hardest men in boxing.

If he wins, one hell of a lot of Kudos.

His haters will simply state that Triple G beat a way past his prime Froch and will not give him any credit for the win even if it is through stoppage.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Somebody was saying in this forum that Froch doesn't gain much weight between fights walking under the light heavy limit which makes him weigh about the same as Golovkin between the fight. Does anybody know if that is true ?

Yes, I've spoken to people from his camp who said that he weights little over the limit, and doesn't need to cut weight.

There's no doubt however that Carl is a much bigger man than Golovkin. I don't know how he weighs so little, I'm 6.3" and 14 stone, and he was bigger than me in everything except height......and my huge tadger of course, which is probably 1 1/2 stone in itself.

Height is not important. It just makes you a bigger target. If Froch walks at/rehydrates to 175 or so, it means his muscle mass advantage over Golovkin is minimal.

Reach is important, but reach disadvantage has never troubled Golovkin before.

pound per pound wrote:

Aaronide_ger wrote:Ι Believe that GGG can come to the Weight in at 164-165 Lb and Rehydrate up to 174-175 and not risk getting too much muscle mass because after that he might never be the same if he goes back to 160.. But this will be a huge risk against a Huge elite fighter named Froch.

That is the question! I think GGG can come in at 165 or whatever is natural weight is before de-hydrating to make the 160 pound limits.

GGG is smaller, but I think he's offense is better, he hits harder, starts faster, has an even or better chin, and can be more defensive if needed.

This would be a great fight!

Froch has had his chin tested by better men than Golovkin, the Jury is out on just how good GGG's chin is. Froch is a known quantity.

ikorolev wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Somebody was saying in this forum that Froch doesn't gain much weight between fights walking under the light heavy limit which makes him weigh about the same as Golovkin between the fight. Does anybody know if that is true ?

Yes, I've spoken to people from his camp who said that he weights little over the limit, and doesn't need to cut weight.

There's no doubt however that Carl is a much bigger man than Golovkin. I don't know how he weighs so little, I'm 6.3" and 14 stone, and he was bigger than me in everything except height......and my huge tadger of course, which is probably 1 1/2 stone in itself.

Height is not important. It just makes you a bigger target. If Froch walks at/rehydrates to 175 or so, it means his muscle mass advantage over Golovkin is minimal.

Reach is important, but reach disadvantage has never troubled Golovkin before.

It's not all about muscle mass though, if it was, heavyweight boxers would all look like bodybuilders.

Again, reach matters when you're in against someone who is at or near your own level - GGG has been blowing away b and c level fighters, where they don't have the skills or tools to make reach advantage count.

If Carl chops enough wood, he can stop GGG.

GGG will be facing a clearly bigger man here. This is not near an easy fight for him. Froch has been used to fighting 170 + men all his career. GGG should feel the difference in being hit by the likes of Monore and Macklin as oppose to clean shots from a big SMW Froch, who is 2-3 inches taller and who will probably outweigh him by 10-12 lbs on fight night. GGG cannot expect that his power does the trick as effectively against Froch. And, how will GGG react when Froch lands clean and often?

Ghost Train wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Froch has had his chin tested by better men than Golovkin

The two biggest punchers he's fought (Taylor/Groves) both dropped him, GGG hits as hard (if not harder) than either. He's also a far better boxer and far more accurate then either.

At 160 against quite ordinary opposition he looks devastating, we have no idea yet how dangerous his shots will look at 168 against an elite fighter.

I'm trying to urge a little bit of reason here, GGG looks great, but he's been fighting pretty mediocre opposition compared to Froch's best, and at a lower weight.

Good fight for the fans, not sure how good it is for the fighters though, hope there is enough money in it for both guys to get well compensated because its a high risk affair for both men. Can't really find a prediction for this fight, pre Groves I would've fancied Froch to take this one, but I feel like he is past his best now and inactivity could be key.

CheckHook wrote:Good fight for the fans, not sure how good it is for the fighters though, hope there is enough money in it for both guys to get well compensated because its a high risk affair for both men. Can't really find a prediction for this fight, pre Groves I would've fancied Froch to take this one, but I feel like he is past his best now and inactivity could be key.

Wouldn't say high risk - GGG won't drop in stock much if he loses, unless he gets smashed up badly and is never the same.

Froch is on his way out anyway, and can write it off as one fight too many, which I don't think will damage his legacy.

It would be the longest, heaviest jab that GGG has seen in quite awhile (if ever)...I expect that Froch would look to box against the smaller man and he has definitely shown he can do just that...

But, if Groves and Taylor can put Froch down, I find it hard to imagine that GGG couldn't...

Lastly, not sure why Froch takes the fight? Realistically, he could put 80,000 in Wembley against a few guys, GGG doesn't yet have the kind of name recognition that means he brings way more money than other opponents....I can see why GGG is interested in Froch, but not so sure I see why Froch needs GGG at this point.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Ghost Train wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Froch has had his chin tested by better men than Golovkin

The two biggest punchers he's fought (Taylor/Groves) both dropped him, GGG hits as hard (if not harder) than either. He's also a far better boxer and far more accurate then either.

At 160 against quite ordinary opposition he looks devastating, we have no idea yet how dangerous his shots will look at 168 against an elite fighter.

I'm trying to urge a little bit of reason here, GGG looks great, but he's been fighting pretty mediocre opposition compared to Froch's best, and at a lower weight.

I'm not sure there's much in the weight jump. Golovkin seems like he's rehydrating to the mid 70's anyway and i'm not sure what Froch is is fighting at; when Froch lost to Ward he comlained Ward was too big and was a Light Heavy in the am's. Afolabi says he was stunned by Golovkins power in sparring. I'd say almost 100% certainty that Golovkin hits much harder than any opponent Froch has faced.

Man this would be an awesome fight. I know it won't be PPV in North America, but I would pay some money to see it if was. Watching GGG demolish an overrated Carl Froch, is always worth the money.

What do you think of

Froch vs GGG Main Event
Klitschko vs Fury Co-Main Event

Or Vice versa. That sounds ridicously amazing, And it can happen by September.

Aaronide_ger wrote:What do you think of

Froch vs GGG Main Event
Klitschko vs Fury Co-Main Event

Or Vice versa. That sounds ridicously amazing, And it can happen by September.

Unlikely. Comain events are bad business.

It is unlikely but it can definately happen. because Klitschko vs Fury will happen in September/Octomber anyway.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Ghost Train wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Froch has had his chin tested by better men than Golovkin

The two biggest punchers he's fought (Taylor/Groves) both dropped him, GGG hits as hard (if not harder) than either. He's also a far better boxer and far more accurate then either.

At 160 against quite ordinary opposition he looks devastating, we have no idea yet how dangerous his shots will look at 168 against an elite fighter.

I'm trying to urge a little bit of reason here, GGG looks great, but he's been fighting pretty mediocre opposition compared to Froch's best, and at a lower weight.

Froch has sparred with Trip G and has been quoted as saying the dude is a devastating puncher.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

CheckHook wrote:Good fight for the fans, not sure how good it is for the fighters though, hope there is enough money in it for both guys to get well compensated because its a high risk affair for both men. Can't really find a prediction for this fight, pre Groves I would've fancied Froch to take this one, but I feel like he is past his best now and inactivity could be key.

Wouldn't say high risk - GGG won't drop in stock much if he loses, unless he gets smashed up badly and is never the same.

Froch is on his way out anyway, and can write it off as one fight too many, which I don't think will damage his legacy.

I'd say its still a high risk fight for both guys. GGG can sit at 160lb and never lose until weight gets the better of him and Froch is at the tail end of a long career and doesn't need to be fighting someone who is regarded as the most dangerous fighter in the sport. If GGG winds up losing his stock will certainly drop and he'll be in an awkward situation with regards to staying at 168, where he will have a lose to his name and a lack of confidence, or moving back down and having to drain back to 160 after what is likely to be (in his mind) a permanent move to 168. Froch's legacy isn't in doubt with regards to risk, so I guess you can argue its not a risk to his legacy, but its certainly a fight that has plenty of risk attached to it. I can think of plenty of safer fights to cash out on than going in with Golovkin.

Impractical Poster wrote: Froch has sparred with Trip G and has been quoted as saying the dude is a devastating puncher.

Given that Froch has been in with him doesn't it tell you something if the fight is being made?