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Tarver?

Would love to see him take on Andy Ruiz Jr. or Amir Mansour!

I personally believe that AJ would beat Wilder now. The only downside to that is that he would then have to start facing top 5 mandatories. I think the domestic dust ups available to him are great. When, he beats the likes of Whyte, chisora, price and fury in that order, he will be well and truly ready to dominate. Doing it the old fashioned way, British, commonwealth, European and world is the best way to go I think.

I would like to see his fight against Derric Rossy or Dereck Chisora

Lets see how he does against Kevin Johnson first.

I'm fully expecting him to win. I'm also expecting the fight to go the distance - if he stops Johnson, that could be impressive. Johnson hasn't fought in over a year coming into this fight, so the shape of Johnson will be interesting to note. After Johnson I'd maybe start looking towards a Chisora/Price fight, possibly Christian Hammer.

Duffus91 wrote:

Horse wrote:

ade the grenade wrote:How about Steve Cunningham?

Too good, as would be Thompson. They are both top 10 ranked fighters.

There's no need for Joshua to rush, unless he wants to fight Wladimir before he retires.

He should fight a few top 30 level guys before he goes after the top 10. There's absolutely no need for Joshua to skip a level considering that he's only 25 years old.

Entirely my sentiments. We don't even know if AJ is domestic title level yet.

Oh, I think we know that. Other than Tyson Fury who is a Wlad mandatory, who could possibly beat Joshua domestically?

Tony1244 wrote:Oh, I think we know that. Other than Tyson Fury who is a Wlad mandatory, who could possibly beat Joshua domestically?

Chisora & Price maybe.

Joshua looks good, but he's not beaten anyone as good as Chisora or Price yet, so let's not go over the top about how great he is.

Horse wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:Oh, I think we know that. Other than Tyson Fury who is a Wlad mandatory, who could possibly beat Joshua domestically?

Chisora & Price maybe.

Joshua looks good, but he's not beaten anyone as good as Chisora or Price yet, so let's not go over the top about how great he is.

I must admit I have done that before with other HW prospects and prospects in general that I've liked. But Joshua looked good as an amateur and has moved up rapidly compared to the Klitschkos and others. Price has a puncher's chance. I'd be amazed if Chisora could beat Joshua though.

July 18 is only about 7 weeks away and Joshua has a fight scheduled before then. There isn't enough time to negotiate with a good opponent and allow him sufficient time to prepare. I don't think there's any more to be gained by fighting no hopers, so maybe Joshua's handlers should take a little more time to arrange more meaningful contests from now on.

Tony1244 wrote:I must admit I have done that before with other HW prospects and prospects in general that I've liked. But Joshua looked good as an amateur and has moved up rapidly compared to the Klitschkos and others. Price has a puncher's chance. I'd be amazed if Chisora could beat Joshua though.

Based on what I've seen so far I'd favour Joshua, but maybe his stamina is weak like Price's, maybe his defence is poor etc.

Joshua's had it pretty much all his own way so far and I don't think he's done enough to say that he's above domestic level.

I'd like to see him fight Whyte for the British title in July and try to win the title outright as quickly as possible.

July - Whyte, September - Lewison, October - Cornish, December - Chisora.

Without wanting to start another thread on this fight, but looking more imediately at the Johnson fight (apologies if off target for the opponent on 18th July thread topic): How good/bad is Johnson?

I know the Sky Boxing team are hyping him as the first real test, and on soundbites he could be viewed as such as he was a top prospect before getting comprehensively beaten by W Klitschko. From flip side he has been beaten in 4 of his last 5 bouts. It seems beyond viable debate that he's on the decline, but does anyone know why he has been out of the ring since losing to Charr on points? When he did the ring interview on Sky the other evening he didn't look in imperious shape IMHO.
In 2012 Tyson Fury beat him on points, how much of a valid statement will it be if AJ KO's him in regard the form line with Tyson Fury or in that 3 years has Johnson's sell by date got well and truly passed?

Have just paid £17 for the Sky PPV, I have to say with some reluctance.

Looking ahead I think the July 18th will be a tune up fight, but after that I would like to see AJ matched with Chisora or Price. Probably Chisora would make more sense as less dangerous IMO.

Tony1244 wrote:Oh, I think we know that. Other than Tyson Fury who is a Wlad mandatory, who could possibly beat Joshua domestically?

We don't know that at all I'm afraid Tony. Who has Joshua beaten that would beat the likes of Price or Chisora? Remember Pricey, he was going to be the next big thing when he was blowing away McDermott, Dallas, Sexton and Skelton until he fought someone who could actually pack a punch a la Tony Thompson.

Until AJ fights someone who will punch back, we will never know his true credentials. Kevin Johnson won't answer that question, he'll answer questions over whether AJ has stamina to go the distance. If AJ becomes the first man to KO a Johnson who it has to be remember hasn't fought in over a year, then you can take something from that.

cmdenny wrote:Without wanting to start another thread on this fight, but looking more imediately at the Johnson fight (apologies if off target for the opponent on 18th July thread topic): How good/bad is Johnson?

I know the Sky Boxing team are hyping him as the first real test, and on soundbites he could be viewed as such as he was a top prospect before getting comprehensively beaten by W Klitschko. From flip side he has been beaten in 4 of his last 5 bouts. It seems beyond viable debate that he's on the decline, but does anyone know why he has been out of the ring since losing to Charr on points? When he did the ring interview on Sky the other evening he didn't look in imperious shape IMHO.
In 2012 Tyson Fury beat him on points, how much of a valid statement will it be if AJ KO's him in regard the form line with Tyson Fury or in that 3 years has Johnson's sell by date got well and truly passed?

Have just paid £17 for the Sky PPV, I have to say with some reluctance.

Looking ahead I think the July 18th will be a tune up fight, but after that I would like to see AJ matched with Chisora or Price. Probably Chisora would make more sense as less dangerous IMO.

I don't think it will actually mean that much if AJ does KO Kevin Johnson.

Johnson as I have said previously on this thread has not had a fight in well over a year. Yes, he's never been KO'd. Yes he's been in with a good pedigree of opposition; Vitali, Fury, Chisora & Charr. But I fear that people could take too much from an AJ win in this fight.

Joshua reminds me very much of a Frank Bruno. He has caught the hearts & minds of the British public, without much credibility.

Duffus91 wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:Oh, I think we know that. Other than Tyson Fury who is a Wlad mandatory, who could possibly beat Joshua domestically?

We don't know that at all I'm afraid Tony. Who has Joshua beaten that would beat the likes of Price or Chisora? Remember Pricey, he was going to be the next big thing when he was blowing away McDermott, Dallas, Sexton and Skelton until he fought someone who could actually pack a punch a la Tony Thompson.

Until AJ fights someone who will punch back, we will never know his true credentials. Kevin Johnson won't answer that question, he'll answer questions over whether AJ has stamina to go the distance. If AJ becomes the first man to KO a Johnson who it has to be remember hasn't fought in over a year, then you can take something from that.

I agree, we don't "know it." But Price got KOd in the Olympics, ALA. Duane Bobick. Joshua didn't. I'd strongly favor Joshua over Lewiston, Dallas, Chisora and the like. We've all been wrong though, whether we admit it or not.

Joshua was stopped a year before he won the Olympics, though admittedly he didn't generally look brittle throughout his amateur career like Price did.

Horse wrote:

ade the grenade wrote:How about Steve Cunningham?

Too good, as would be Thompson. They are both top 10 ranked fighters.

There's no need for Joshua to rush, unless he wants to fight Wladimir before he retires.

He should fight a few top 30 level guys before he goes after the top 10. There's absolutely no need for Joshua to skip a level considering that he's only 25 years old.

So, you are saying he should be brought up properly, like Wilder was because of his limited amateur experience? :idea:

Badhusker wrote:So, you are saying he should be brought up properly, like Wilder was because of his limited amateur experience? :idea:

Joshua is currently being moved a lot faster than Wilder was and quite rightly too.

All I'm saying is that Joshua should only take one step at a time and not suddenly fight an opponent two steps above anyone that he's fought before. There's no need as he's young and is well backed.

crusader wrote:Joshua was stopped a year before he won the Olympics, though admittedly he didn't generally look brittle throughout his amateur career like Price did.

in the amateurs you are getting stopped quite fast. was he really KOed or just overmatched and taken out?

so far his chin looked solid although he did not really face a big Puncher so far.

Artem wrote:I would like to see his fight against Derric Rossy or Dereck Chisora

Audley Harrison destroyed Rossy in prizefighter. It would be an execution if he fought AJ.

dominik wrote:

crusader wrote:Joshua was stopped a year before he won the Olympics, though admittedly he didn't generally look brittle throughout his amateur career like Price did.

in the amateurs you are getting stopped quite fast. was he really KOed or just overmatched and taken out?

so far his chin looked solid although he did not really face a big Puncher so far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUx9sDcl2Cw

He was clearly hurt and on shaky legs, but he didn't go down and I'm not sure that it would've been stopped had it been a pro bout. He was wobbled in the World Championships and dropped by Whyte, but in the first case he was facing a very big puncher and in the second he was a novice and caught leaning too far back, a situation in which fighters can go down even if they're not hurt.

He hasn't taken many good shots in the pros, but I don't get the same sense of fragility from him that I get from Price. I suspect that he'll eventually show that he has fine durability but it's still a question.

Badhusker wrote:

Horse wrote:

ade the grenade wrote:How about Steve Cunningham?

Too good, as would be Thompson. They are both top 10 ranked fighters.

There's no need for Joshua to rush, unless he wants to fight Wladimir before he retires.

He should fight a few top 30 level guys before he goes after the top 10. There's absolutely no need for Joshua to skip a level considering that he's only 25 years old.

So, you are saying he should be brought up properly, like Wilder was because of his limited amateur experience? :idea:

wilder was not brought up properly, he fought bums for like 5 years without any Progression and then went on to have a big step up in stiverne which he fortunately mastered.

Joshua is moved up much better, he now fights Johnson and then should fight a top20 Opponent next, which wilder never did before stiverne.