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kcharles520 wrote:I'm surprised hardly anyone is backing Mitchell here...as long as it goes the distance he wins the fight on points. And to me, he has the slipperiness and evasiveness to frustrate Linares the full 12 rounds.

Yes, Linares has freakish power but if you can't get a clean shot on the opponent it doesn't matter *how* hard you hit -- and Mitchell is one of the toughest people in the world to hit clean IMO.

Linares is a pretty-boy fast-handed flashy stand-up boxer. He has never been known for his power; he couldn't even dent Hector Velazquez, who's about forty & been stopped a dozen times.

I have literally no idea what you're talking about but I have a feeling that you have got Linares confused with another Venezuelan lightweight, Edwin Valero, the big-punching southpaw?

I would say that's an easy mistake to make, but one of them has a massive tattoo (versus no tattoos), one of them is a southpaw (rather than an orthodox fighter), one of them is a one-dimensional vicious puncher who KO'd everyone he faced (versus a flashy stand-up boxer with fast hands who only stops shot veterans & second-level opposition) & one of them has been dead five years.

Just to dispel any remaining confusion you have, Jorge Linares wasn't even a massive puncher at featherweight, & is, to the best of my knowledge, very much alive.

PS: Do you work for the WBO ratings committee?

Datsue wrote:

kcharles520 wrote:I'm surprised hardly anyone is backing Mitchell here...as long as it goes the distance he wins the fight on points. And to me, he has the slipperiness and evasiveness to frustrate Linares the full 12 rounds.

Yes, Linares has freakish power but if you can't get a clean shot on the opponent it doesn't matter *how* hard you hit -- and Mitchell is one of the toughest people in the world to hit clean IMO.

Linares is a pretty-boy fast-handed flashy stand-up boxer. He has never been known for his power; he couldn't even dent Hector Velazquez, who's about forty & been stopped a dozen times.

I have literally no idea what you're talking about but I have a feeling that you have got Linares confused with another Venezuelan lightweight, Edwin Valero, the big-punching southpaw?

I would say that's an easy mistake to make, but one of them has a massive tattoo (versus no tattoos), one of them is a southpaw (rather than an orthodox fighter), one of them is a one-dimensional vicious puncher who KO'd everyone he faced (versus a flashy stand-up boxer with fast hands who only stops shot veterans & second-level opposition) & one of them has been dead five years.

Just to dispel any remaining confusion you have, Jorge Linares wasn't even a massive puncher at featherweight, & is, to the best of my knowledge, very much alive.

PS: Do you work for the WBO ratings committee?

thanks for clearing that up.

Datsue wrote:

kcharles520 wrote:I'm surprised hardly anyone is backing Mitchell here...as long as it goes the distance he wins the fight on points. And to me, he has the slipperiness and evasiveness to frustrate Linares the full 12 rounds.

Yes, Linares has freakish power but if you can't get a clean shot on the opponent it doesn't matter *how* hard you hit -- and Mitchell is one of the toughest people in the world to hit clean IMO.

Linares is a pretty-boy fast-handed flashy stand-up boxer. He has never been known for his power; he couldn't even dent Hector Velazquez, who's about forty & been stopped a dozen times.

I have literally no idea what you're talking about but I have a feeling that you have got Linares confused with another Venezuelan lightweight, Edwin Valero, the big-punching southpaw?

I would say that's an easy mistake to make, but one of them has a massive tattoo (versus no tattoos), one of them is a southpaw (rather than an orthodox fighter), one of them is a one-dimensional vicious puncher who KO'd everyone he faced (versus a flashy stand-up boxer with fast hands who only stops shot veterans & second-level opposition) & one of them has been dead five years.

Just to dispel any remaining confusion you have, Jorge Linares wasn't even a massive puncher at featherweight, & is, to the best of my knowledge, very much alive.

PS: Do you work for the WBO ratings committee?

ah, thank you.

I take it you didn't handle the 'unhittable slickster kevin Mitchell' myth as it had already been satisfactorily answered.

Datsue is Columbo (the real Columbo, not lefty).

palooka wrote:Datsue is Columbo (the real Columbo, not lefty).

[pauses, twitches head ruefully, half-squints]

Just one more thing...

Datsue wrote:

palooka wrote:Datsue is Columbo (the real Columbo, not lefty).

[pauses, twitches head ruefully, half-squints]

Just one more thing...

Just one more thing, he's been dead 5 years.

Brilliant

Well Mitchell was faring pretty well the first half of the fight and was definitely frustrating Linares who wasn't getting much work in early....wheels just fell off at the end.

So I was half right about him being hard to hit. He almost won the fight!

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kcharles520 wrote:
So I was half right about him being hard to hit

Yes it was fortunate for Mitchell that only half of his face looked like it had been attacked with a panelbeaters hammer

Hahahah true but most of that damage came in the last round of the fight when Linares just started hammering on him, especially that huge nasty swell. The cut was from a headbutt if I recall.

I mean you gotta admit, Mitchell *did* do a helluva job avoiding damage for the first half of the fight. Just couldn't maintain it the full 12.

Mitchell has always been slightly overrated coz he's an East Ender and the media is always slightly London-biased. Truth is, he's never been good enough at the top level, and that isn't ever changing I don't think.

For someone who's consistently fell short, he has got way more exposure/attention than say, Ricky Burns, who was a legitimate champion in that weight division. Problem is, Mitchell is on the journalists/Sky's/Boxing News's doorstep and Burns was up in Scotland.

Happy Slapper wrote:Mitchell has always been slightly overrated coz he's an East Ender and the media is always slightly London-biased. Truth is, he's never been good enough at the top level, and that isn't ever changing I don't think.

For someone who's consistently fell short, he has got way more exposure/attention than say, Ricky Burns, who was a legitimate champion in that weight division. Problem is, Mitchell is on the journalists/Sky's/Boxing News's doorstep and Burns was up in Scotland.

I agree with a lot of this. Yes Mitchell is talented but let's be honest had he been from Scotland, Newcastle or Wales he'd not have half the hype hes had.

Boxing Prospect wrote:

Happy Slapper wrote:Mitchell has always been slightly overrated coz he's an East Ender and the media is always slightly London-biased. Truth is, he's never been good enough at the top level, and that isn't ever changing I don't think.

For someone who's consistently fell short, he has got way more exposure/attention than say, Ricky Burns, who was a legitimate champion in that weight division. Problem is, Mitchell is on the journalists/Sky's/Boxing News's doorstep and Burns was up in Scotland.

I agree with a lot of this. Yes Mitchell is talented but let's be honest had he been from Scotland, Newcastle or Wales he'd not have half the hype hes had.

There's now talk of him getting another world title fight. He's failed three times at world level, why should he get another go?

Because he was doing well in the bout and he puts bums on seats?

I'm obviously in the minority, and i haven't re-watched the fight, but at the time i saw Mitchell losing handily at the time of the stoppage.

Knockdown round aside, i thought Linares looked in control throughout - dictated the pace and ring position, Mitchell was super hesitant to throw early on as he was getting timed and countered, most of Kev's work were cuffing shots hitting arms and gloves, the cleaner more effective punches were always coming from Linares, as evidenced by their respective faces at the end of the fight.

I was watching the fight with a few mates who are all heavily involved with the sport as fighters/trainers etc, and despite the standard ludicrously biased commentary from Halling, we all saw a brave effort from Mitchell, but a fight that was controlled comfortably by a measured performance by Linares

Scorecards baffled me to be honest, as do the assertions by most in the last couple of days that Mitchell was just 'unlucky' and was a couple of rounds from a comfortable win.

I had it 85-85, so 5-4 Linares in rounds.

He generally looked in control to me, like he could turn it up to a level Mitchell couldn't, but I felt he gave away several rounds by not getting off enough (and in these rounds not landing with enough significance) while Mitchell was doing just a bit more, especially with left hands in combination. For the most part though I thought Linares was landing the majority of notable punches across the rounds, and apart from the KD Mitchell looked to me like he was being more shaken by Linares' blows than Linares was by his.

I watched the fight without sound but when I noticed that Watt gave the first to Mitchell, even though Linares clearly shook him at the end in my view and was never himself hit by anything meanginful, I suspected that he'd already taken sides.

crusader wrote:I had it 85-85, so 5-4 Linares in rounds.

He generally looked in control to me, like he could turn it up to a level Mitchell couldn't, but I felt he gave away several rounds by not getting off enough (and in these rounds not landing with enough significance) while Mitchell was doing just a bit more, especially with left hands in combination. For the most part though I thought Linares was landing the majority of notable punches across the rounds, and apart from the KD Mitchell looked to me like he was being more shaken by Linares' blows than Linares was by his.

I watched the fight without sound but when I noticed that Watt gave the first to Mitchell, even though Linares clearly shook him at the end in my view and was never himself hit by anything meanginful, I suspected that he'd already taken sides.

I agree with this. IJL's scorecard having Mitchell up six rounds was as bad as anything I have seen.