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punchoutsb wrote:It's just trying to use a descriptor to rile someone up or make them feel bad.

Exactly. The person knows that being a midget belittles you, so he calls you that. Roach thinks that calling one a jew or N... belittles him, so he uses those terms.

ikorolev wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:It's just trying to use a descriptor to rile someone up or make them feel bad.

Exactly. The person knows that being a midget belittles you, so he calls you that. Roach thinks that calling one a jew or N... belittles him, so he uses those terms.

Because it's different. You will look til you find something to grab onto, be it skin color, glasses, height, weight, whatever. Doesn't mean you hate all people with that difference. Just that you're being a bully and are a bit immature.

Hating is extreme. To be racist, it is sufficient to think that you are better than people of other races or nationalities just because they belong to those races/nationalities. Roach using those terms illustrates that deep down, he thinks that he is better than blacks and jews.

punchoutsb wrote:See. It's silly to think that someone is bigoted just because of something they say (once) in the heat of the moment. If it happens much more than once then I'd think their may be something there.

Roach didn't use the word "N*gger" in the heat of the moment, why don't you look at the video and tell me he doesn't use this word on a regular basis and he is a bigoted/racists bastard instead of defending him without knowing what you are talking about>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOfDNzfNm44 go to the 22 second mark and if you are still defending him after this then this is over between me and you because that would mean you are exactly like him or condone that type of stuff, either way there's no defense for him being a bigoted/racists prick.

KBB wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:See. It's silly to think that someone is bigoted just because of something they say (once) in the heat of the moment. If it happens much more than once then I'd think their may be something there.

Roach didn't use the word "N*gger" in the heat of the moment, why don't you look at the video and tell me he doesn't use this word on a regular basis and he is a bigoted/racists bastard instead of defending him without knowing what you are talking about>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOfDNzfNm44 go to the 22 second mark and if you are still defending him after this then this is over between me and you because that would mean you are exactly like him or condone that type of stuff, either way there's no defense for him being a bigoted/racists prick.

Thanks for sharing

I hadn't seen that video before. It does look like Roach may indeed have some racial issues he needs to work out. The whole "m'fing Mexican" thing still isn't a big deal to me, but even though words are just words, some don't need to be used. Roach should definitely apologize.

But please don't be a hypocrite and act like you shun all racists and that it would be "over between me and you" if I defended Roach. We both know this didn't bother you because we've talked about it before...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjiV0hCUpSQ

punchoutsb wrote:Thanks for sharing

I hadn't seen that video before. It does look like Roach may indeed have some racial issues he needs to work out. The whole "m'fing Mexican" thing still isn't a big deal to me, but even though words are just words, some don't need to be used. Roach should definitely apologize.

But please don't be a hypocrite and act like you shun all racists and that it would be "over between me and you" if I defended Roach. We both know this didn't bother you because we've talked about it before...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjiV0hCUpSQ

You act as if I have supported this type of behavior, do I think Floyd was being racist for his comments towards Manny, no more than you think someone calling someone a Mexican MFer isn't being racial.

The only person here I know here that outright supports bigotry and racism is Freedom and Ricky (more than likely the same person).

KBB wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:Thanks for sharing

I hadn't seen that video before. It does look like Roach may indeed have some racial issues he needs to work out. The whole "m'fing Mexican" thing still isn't a big deal to me, but even though words are just words, some don't need to be used. Roach should definitely apologize.

But please don't be a hypocrite and act like you shun all racists and that it would be "over between me and you" if I defended Roach. We both know this didn't bother you because we've talked about it before...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjiV0hCUpSQ

You act as if I have supported this type of behavior, do I think Floyd was being racist for his comments towards Manny, no more than you think someone calling someone a Mexican MFer isn't being racial.

The only person here I know here that outright supports bigotry and racism is Freedom and Ricky (more than likely the same person).

Floyd was in a non-hostile environment and had plenty of time to think about what he was going to say. His comment was racist. Roach's Mexican comment didn't seem to be, but his N-word's did. Floyd's racism toward Asians is unacceptable and should not be supported.

I do remember you also getting banned as Brut for your bigotry against homosexuals. Something about how you were born to kill them?

Tell me something ,, I don't EVER use the word n###ger , simply because i don't know or mix with any black people ,, But if i was with a bunch of black people saying to each other, Heh wassup N##3ger, and i said it has well , why is it Ok for them to say it and not me .

Also i fail to see how calling a mexican a mexican is racist ,, after all a Yank is a Yank black or white ,, a kraut is a kraut , a pole is a pole , a Aussie is an Aussie , A pom (english ) IS A POM

People don't mean any harm most times there just throw away words ,,, Just like , Heh wassup N####ger , get out of here Dawg , and a whole list of derograty names black people tend to call each other ,, at least on tv .

Dunno i think you just have to take it in the context its spoke ,, i don't like the word C#NT but when my mate says stop being a c#nt , i don't go in to a tissy about it .

punchoutsb wrote:Floyd was in a non-hostile environment and had plenty of time to think about what he was going to say. His comment was racist. Roach's Mexican comment didn't seem to be, but his N-word's did. Floyd's racism toward Asians is unacceptable and should not be supported.

I do remember you also getting banned as Brut for your bigotry against homosexuals. Something about how you were born to kill them?

Floyd was wrong for using racial innuendo just as Freddie Roach was wrong for using racial slurs, as far me receiving a ban; I was never told why I was banned. The comment I made about homos was not a direct statement of me wanting to kill them, it was an analogy.

Do I hate or dislike Homos? No, do I discriminate against them? No, I have friends that I know are gay and we get along just fine, I respect the fact that they are gay and they respect that I'm straight. No problem.

coneye wrote:Heh wassup N##3ger, and i said it has well , why is it Ok for them to say it and not me

in my opinion racism is when you treat people
differently due to their color of skin. if there is
something that i as a white person am not allowed
to say simply because of the color of my skin, while
a black person is allowed to say same thing, again
just because of their skin, that is plain and simple
racism. to me there is no disputing this. but there is
just so much historic injustice done to the people
with darker skin that it is seen as kind of okay. it
is harmless but it is still racism.

if we want to overcome racism we have to do so
everywhere. having said all that with the current
level of injustice still going on against darker
skinned people, i wholeheartedly understand why
they continue this little (racist) game. in the end
it is pretty harmless compared to what is happening
the other way round.

Roach grew up a few miles from me in South Boston and if you think that using the N word was a one off or not indicative of his belief then think again. South Boston, mostly originating of Irish first and second generation Americans, is as racist as some of those towns down south that still have Klan rallies. There are still streets in South Boston that black people wouldn't dare walk down. 2015 and it's still unchanged.

While I don't think a handicapped person should be kicked for any reason, it still doesn't give the handicapped person the freedom to be a bigot. I don't think saying "Mexican M...F...cker" is racist but any way you slice the "N" word, it's wrong and ignorant to say in any fashion. I've grown tired of Roach's act. His predictions are ridiculous and never correct. He's getting more like Bob Arum every day.

I would love to see Cotto vs Alvarez for the next bout but I am afraid that Floyd/Cotto is going to be the dish of crap we'll be served instead.

KBB wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:Floyd was in a non-hostile environment and had plenty of time to think about what he was going to say. His comment was racist. Roach's Mexican comment didn't seem to be, but his N-word's did. Floyd's racism toward Asians is unacceptable and should not be supported.

I do remember you also getting banned as Brut for your bigotry against homosexuals. Something about how you were born to kill them?

Floyd was wrong for using racial innuendo just as Freddie Roach was wrong for using racial slurs, as far me receiving a ban; I was never told why I was banned. The comment I made about homos was not a direct statement of me wanting to kill them, it was an analogy.

Do I hate or dislike Homos? No, do I discriminate against them? No, I have friends that I know are gay and we get along just fine, I respect the fact that they are gay and they respect that I'm straight. No problem.

Kbb, there both as bad as each other, but you tend to soften it for Floyd by using the word innuendo whereas for roach you use slurs, you can't be more accepting of racism from one due to his race, both were very wrong

Pureist wrote:

KBB wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:Floyd was in a non-hostile environment and had plenty of time to think about what he was going to say. His comment was racist. Roach's Mexican comment didn't seem to be, but his N-word's did. Floyd's racism toward Asians is unacceptable and should not be supported.

I do remember you also getting banned as Brut for your bigotry against homosexuals. Something about how you were born to kill them?

Floyd was wrong for using racial innuendo just as Freddie Roach was wrong for using racial slurs, as far me receiving a ban; I was never told why I was banned. The comment I made about homos was not a direct statement of me wanting to kill them, it was an analogy.

Do I hate or dislike Homos? No, do I discriminate against them? No, I have friends that I know are gay and we get along just fine, I respect the fact that they are gay and they respect that I'm straight. No problem.

Kbb, there both as bad as each other, but you tend to soften it for Floyd by using the word innuendo whereas for roach you use slurs, you can't be more accepting of racism from one due to his race, both were very wrong

One of the few times I have agreed with Pureist. If one is guilty then they both are.

Pureist wrote:Kbb, there both as bad as each other, but you tend to soften it for Floyd by using the word innuendo whereas for roach you use slurs, you can't be more accepting of racism from one due to his race, both were very wrong

I didn't soften anything, I said they (meaning FLOYD as well) was WRONG!! How is that softening anything? You focused on the word innuendo and said it was softer than slur, Roach called people N*ggers, Floyd said derogatory remarks and I condemned both.

It's not good enough for you, but I won't apologize because neither of them are good examples of what a human being should be.

He called him yellow, a chinc, but you only see that as derogatory, please, your bias is surfacing

people talk sh!t when they are angry and try
to hurt the other guy. a successful boxing
trainer - unless he is russian - is most likely
not racist, at least not if he is white.

man wrote:people talk sh!t when they are angry and try
to hurt the other guy. a successful boxing
trainer - unless he is russian - is most likely
not racist, at least not if he is white.

You are definitely a racist based on what you said.

ikorolev wrote:

man wrote:people talk sh!t when they are angry and try
to hurt the other guy. a successful boxing
trainer - unless he is russian - is most likely
not racist, at least not if he is white.

You are definitely a racist based on what you said.

you can hardly be racist as a white person
in a sport that has been dominated by people
with darker skin for almost a century. no idea
why saying that makes me racist, but we might
have different standards.

Pureist wrote:He called him yellow, a chinc, but you only see that as derogatory, please, your bias is surfacing

You can go back to counting your slow mo videos for all I care. Chink is racist, yellow is a color just as black is. I condemned them both and still that isn't good enough for you.

Get back to defending Pacquiao with every strand in that pathetic body of yours, yet you said nothing about Freddie calling people N*ggers.

Your bias has already surfaced and apparently you're as much a racist as Freddie is since you have nothing to say about him using the "N" word.

Is the n word worse than the c word, no, is the c word worse that the n word, no, there as bad as each other as my original posts state, I just don't try and tone down anyone's comments like yourself Floyd was racist, roach was racist, if I said Floyd was racist but I don't agree with the innuendo that roach was saying does that seem softer than racist, YES, get ya head out of you arse stupid, see things for what they are

Actually the video where roach says the n word is him quoting Greg Haughen and was taken out of context. The vido is on dontaes boxing nation channel on youtube if you wanna check it out.

Pureist wrote:Is the n word worse than the c word, no, is the c word worse that the n word, no, there as bad as each other as my original posts state, I just don't try and tone down anyone's comments like yourself Floyd was racist, roach was racist, if I said Floyd was racist but I don't agree with the innuendo that roach was saying does that seem softer than racist, YES, get ya head out of you arse stupid, see things for what they are

So now we're going to hurl insults to try and get your lame point across? I condemned both, regardless of how I stated it but still that isn't enough for you idiot.

Go back to counting punches and trying to prove everyone else wrong, you have no life anyway except trying to defend a Lying Loser like Manny Pacquiao.

See this is why your an imbecile, have a look at the insults thrown by YOU in your 2nd last post, are you 2 second Tom, can't remember what you have written, it's obvious by your words and posts it impossible for you to be objective