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Ricky_ wrote:First clean shot wins.

Yup. FWIW I think wilder would be more intimidated and cautious than Joshua would. I think Joshua would start on the front foot which would be a big factor in a shootout like this I m o

Lenny Cravats wrote:Wilder's best win is over Stiverne whose claim to fame is beating a man with breasts who ironically, shares a name with the outer part of a nipple.
Wilder is not much more proven than AJ. It's clear Wilder has a lot of power and he did show some decent boxing ability in his last fight. Prior to that, you could see him swing hooks from his ankles.

AJ has shown much better skills on his way up, and stating Wilder's win over Stiverne as a big factor in your decision process would seem odd to me.

I'd favour AJ, but be wary of him taking heavy shots from Wilder.

this guys with the name u mention is who hearn mentioned for joshua

I like Joshua but I wonder if complacency could set in with him destroying everyone put in front of him

Terminator666 wrote:I like Joshua but I wonder if complacency could set in with him destroying everyone put in front of him

Doesn't seem the type. Seems to want to consistently better himself. Ya never know though.

Jon Saxon wrote: Rubbish!!
Wilder has a good jab, good straight right, hooks of the jab well, fights on the inside, good left hook, is mobile but might be chinny,
Ok, you explain to everyone (in detail) what Wilder does wrong.

The world awaits.......

If you can watch 36 minutes of Wilder versus Stiverne and think he is all those things you listed, you are hopelessly mad.

Tuan_Jim wrote:

Jon Saxon wrote: Rubbish!!
Wilder has a good jab, good straight right, hooks of the jab well, fights on the inside, good left hook, is mobile but might be chinny,
Ok, you explain to everyone (in detail) what Wilder does wrong.

The world awaits.......

If you can watch 36 minutes of Wilder versus Stiverne and think he is all those things you listed, you are hopelessly mad.

Yup; Wilder is a great natural athlete but off the top of my head; feet too wide, movement not efficient, right hand flaps out/drops when jabbing, punches too wide at times.

I'll need to watch him again to go in detail but that's the gist of it.

Technically he's improved since his windmilling of Audley Harrison but he still leaves a lot to desire in terms of pure boxing technique.

black panther wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:

Jon Saxon wrote: Rubbish!!
Wilder has a good jab, good straight right, hooks of the jab well, fights on the inside, good left hook, is mobile but might be chinny,
Ok, you explain to everyone (in detail) what Wilder does wrong.

The world awaits.......

If you can watch 36 minutes of Wilder versus Stiverne and think he is all those things you listed, you are hopelessly mad.

Yup; Wilder is a great natural athlete but off the top of my head; feet too wide, movement not efficient, right hand flaps out/drops when jabbing, punches too wide at times.

I'll need to watch him again to go in detail but that's the gist of it.

Technically he's improved since his windmilling of Audley Harrison but he still leaves a lot to desire in terms of pure boxing technique.

Agree

Joshua seems to be developing and has a solid foundation and pedigree.

Wilder is also a Olympic medallist and no slouch.

I think we will have a more rounded view when Joshua fights an Arreola or Stiverne type opponent himself. Thus so far he's not had any taxing bouts at all if we're honest.

But to answer the question, I'd lean slightly towards Joshua if they boxed tomorrow. But I wouldn't say it with any conviction.

Who knows if Joshua's stamina deserts him in the later part of a fight? or if he can take it as well as he dishes it out ?

Those are the questions people wonder.

The crude & untested versus the untested!

Could actually be a great fight to be fair.

Wilder's win over Stiverne gives him the edge over Joshua, although Joshua's blowout of the normally durable Johnson was hugely impressive.

It's a fight where we will see what each one is made of, as both men will get hit hard at some point.

deadpan wrote:We've not seen Joshua take a serious shot on the jaw, despite the fact that his defence is clearly not impregnable, we've not seen him have to face any real adversity in the ring thus far, or any stamina checks, yet many of you have him pegged as WBC champion tomorrow.

Two words.

David Price.

Whilst I agree about Joshua not being chin checked yet. Price did have a reputation for being floored a fair few times as an amateur.

To settle this debate apart from Wilder and Joshua fighting is to put Joshua in with Stiverne.

Bronze v gold.
swinging vs targeting
contender after 28 fights vs contender after 12

Send this poll to wilder and he might fancy proving it wrong!

black panther wrote:
Yup; Wilder is a great natural athlete but off the top of my head; feet too wide, movement not efficient, right hand flaps out/drops when jabbing, punches too wide at times.

I'll need to watch him again to go in detail but that's the gist of it.

Technically he's improved since his windmilling of Audley Harrison but he still leaves a lot to desire in terms of pure boxing technique.

I'd lean towards Joshua, because he looks technically better.

However, that could be a moot point if Wilder lands a big one first.

If Joshua has a good chin, which we really cannot know at this stage, - and decent stamina, which again is unknown, and is the one area where I have concern for him due to his bulky frame, then he'd be a big favourite.

Both guys have been described as "skinny legged"

freddydoesdallas wrote:Send this poll to wilder and he might fancy proving it wrong!

He would I reckon, Al certainly wouldn't!

AJ hasen't been v anyone decent yet, Wilder has been v one decent guy. just for that reason he has more of a chance(and if anyone says Kevin Johnson!!!!! LOL. would be a good fight considering both have been floored in amateurs.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I'd lean towards Joshua, because he looks technically better.

However, that could be a moot point if Wilder lands a big one first.

If Joshua has a good chin, which we really cannot know at this stage, - and decent stamina, which again is unknown, and is the one area where I have concern for him due to his bulky frame, then he'd be a big favourite.

It doesn't matter if he has a good chin in the heavyweight division. If you get caught properly then you are going down no matter how good your chin is! Stamina is a concern though you're right! I hope he is well conditioned. Time will tell.

Durability matters in all divisions and it's clear that some HWs take better shots than others.

Stuarty30 wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I'd lean towards Joshua, because he looks technically better.

However, that could be a moot point if Wilder lands a big one first.

If Joshua has a good chin, which we really cannot know at this stage, - and decent stamina, which again is unknown, and is the one area where I have concern for him due to his bulky frame, then he'd be a big favourite.

It doesn't matter if he has a good chin in the heavyweight division. If you get caught properly then you are going down no matter how good your chin is! Stamina is a concern though you're right! I hope he is well conditioned. Time will tell.

Ask Oliver McCall or David Tua if having a good chin doesn't matter.

AJ is too unproven to back him against Wilder. You can say what you like about Wilder but he's delivered the bacon so far and has a title. AJ is still some way off that.

handsofstone wrote:Both guys have been described as "skinny legged"

I don't think AJ skips leg day

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlgkhKbIAAA8o2R.jpg

Naandrew wrote:

handsofstone wrote:Both guys have been described as "skinny legged"

I don't think AJ skips leg day

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlgkhKbIAAA8o2R.jpg

The lats! Kid's got wings!

danamba7 wrote:Paul Smith summed Joshua up quite well when he said you get plenty of boxers who are good lads trying to be bad, AJ is a bad lad trying to be good. This doesn't prove anything but his spite makes me confident that he wont do a David Price on us when he's up against it. I think he'll enjoy it, he wants to be tested. I've said it before though, my only worry is his stamina. 12 rounds is a long time to carry all that muscle.

I'd say hes the opposite. The way he goes on like hes a 'G'. Hes from Watford, not Watts.

black panther wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I'd lean towards Joshua, because he looks technically better.

However, that could be a moot point if Wilder lands a big one first.

If Joshua has a good chin, which we really cannot know at this stage, - and decent stamina, which again is unknown, and is the one area where I have concern for him due to his bulky frame, then he'd be a big favourite.

It doesn't matter if he has a good chin in the heavyweight division. If you get caught properly then you are going down no matter how good your chin is! Stamina is a concern though you're right! I hope he is well conditioned. Time will tell.

Ask Oliver McCall or David Tua if having a good chin doesn't matter.

Still doesn't matter mate! Get hit properly then you go down! Tua got knocked out and McCall had a good defence!