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I think what Thurman said made sense - about Guerrero jumping back in the ring too soon after the hard 12 round fight they had....about a month earlier than Thurman is scheduled to return. Maybe that has something to do with him not performing as well as expected.

FloydtheDuck wrote:That knockdown was nasty. Gotta think anyone with power at 147 would have finished him off there


Crazy he showed a good beard in Thurman fight. And now a guy with 5 knockouts is dropping him

It's almost as though Keith Thurman is not as good as some people think.

Tomasino wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:

Badhusker wrote:True, Khan lined up the formidable Luis Collazo before the formidable CA. . Can anyone name a guy that Collazo beat before Ortiz quit on him? I didn't think so. Khan takes no risks unless there is a career payday behind it.

Hatton

I scored it for Luis too.

Me too,in fact i watched it again recently and was shocked as to how many right hooks Luis landed.

armageto wrote:

Badhusker wrote:
He fought close, but that is really all that Collazo has done. He has lost every big fight he has been in. The Hatton fight, btw, was 2006 - 9 years ago.

One can argue he also beat Berto, for what its worth.......

Yeah, Collazo beat and was robbed by Berto.

Badhusker is just a hater of Khan, and can be counted to twist facts against Khan's favor now, 3 years ago, or 5 years from now. As long as Khan fights Fighter A and Thurman fights Fighter B, you can be sure that Badhusker thinks Fighter A is garbage and Fighter B is great. You don't see Badhusker in the Thurman vs Collazo thread going on about "Collazo never beat anyone, except Ortiz, who quit on him." It's more like "Thurman would fight anyone in the world, but so many are afraid to fight him, and Collazo is the greatest human who is actually willing to take-up the challenge."

Lackeos wrote:

FloydtheDuck wrote:That knockdown was nasty. Gotta think anyone with power at 147 would have finished him off there


Crazy he showed a good beard in Thurman fight. And now a guy with 5 knockouts is dropping him

It's almost as though Keith Thurman is not as good as some people think.

True, but I'd still prefer to see Thurman or Brook v FMJ in September over Khan, Garcia, etc.

hurricanemitch14 wrote:He hasnt looked good at 147 period. Fun fight against Berto but Berto aint that great. Was decent in the lower weight where he would maul and break ya down, cant do it at top level at 147.

This. Guy's prime was at frikkin' featherweight; he was never a true welterweight. The sloppy fight with Berto showed more Berto's limitations than Guerrero being a legitimate contender.

Lackeos wrote:

armageto wrote:

Badhusker wrote:
He fought close, but that is really all that Collazo has done. He has lost every big fight he has been in. The Hatton fight, btw, was 2006 - 9 years ago.

One can argue he also beat Berto, for what its worth.......

Yeah, Collazo beat and was robbed by Berto.

Badhusker is just a hater of Khan, and can be counted to twist facts against Khan's favor now, 3 years ago, or 5 years from now. As long as Khan fights Fighter A and Thurman fights Fighter B, you can be sure that Badhusker thinks Fighter A is garbage and Fighter B is great. You don't see Badhusker in the Thurman vs Collazo thread going on about "Collazo never beat anyone, except Ortiz, who quit on him." It's more like "Thurman would fight anyone in the world, but so many are afraid to fight him, and Collazo is the greatest human who is actually willing to take-up the challenge."

Yes, guilty as charged! I admit I am a hater of Khan, and don't try to hide it or straddle the fence like some do. Having strong words for or against boxers isn't necessarily a bad thing. If you look in the Collazo/Thurman thread, If I remember right I called it a crap fight and also said Collazo was washed up, but better than sitting idle. I called Collazo washed up and had no accomplishments of note for years prior to the Khan fight. The fights against Berto, Hatton were literally years ago.

Lackeos; by the way, my new favorite person to hate is Cotto. Be sure to tune in to my rants and raves against the new catch-weight King. I will be rooting for pretty much anyone against Khan and Cotto. Glad we got that straightened out.

I suspected that Guerrero might struggle, although I didn't forsee him getting dropped by a feather fisted journeyman.

But the guy had no business getting back into the ring less than 3 months after taking a huge, physical pounding against Thurman.
I couldn't see how he could have much in the tank for this fight.

I have a feeling Haymon persuaded Guerrero and his crazy dad that Martinez was a safe bout, nothing more than a gym session against a fighter with no power. Guerrero had nothing to worry about.

I assume they probably went ballistic after the fight and felt they were mislead and forced to fight too soon after the Thurman defeat.

But the Guerrero were probably assuaged by assurances that they'll now get a big money fight in the fall, possibly against the winner of Broner-Porter. This assurance was probably also given before the Martinez scare.

Guerrero is strictly a B-level guy at 147. The Berto win briefly convinced people otherwise but I think this has always been the case. He should probably go down to 140 but considering his unofficial weight was something like 157, it's probably not happening. I have no clue how he used to make 126.

I wouldn't mind seeing Guerrero/Algieri, but I have a feeling we're gonna get Guerrero/Peterson, or Guerrero/Khan if Khan doesn't get the Floyd fight.

Jugi- from what I have seen of Guerrero at 126 making the weight must have severely hampered him. It seemed to make him very vulnerable and short on stamina.

You know what's kind of amazing? Robert Guerrero is almost the exact same size as Miguel Cotto.

jujigatame wrote: but considering his unofficial weight was something like 157, it's probably not happening. I have no clue how he used to make 126.

*coughPEDscoughcough

Oh and another thing I want to add. The people saying guerrero was the hometown guy that is not true. They fought in Carson which is just south of la and in Los Angeles county. Guerrero is from Gilroy which is near San fran all the way in northern california. Martinez is from eas los angeles so if anything Martinez was the hometown man.

jujigatame wrote:Guerrero is strictly a B-level guy at 147. The Berto win briefly convinced people otherwise but I think this has always been the case. He should probably go down to 140 but considering his unofficial weight was something like 157, it's probably not happening. I have no clue how he used to make 126.

I wouldn't mind seeing Guerrero/Algieri, but I have a feeling we're gonna get Guerrero/Peterson, or Guerrero/Khan if Khan doesn't get the Floyd fight.

Peterson, Khan and Algieri all beat Guerrero.

AB should've taken the risk in fighting Guerrero, he probably would've beaten him

Riddick Blowe wrote:

Badhusker wrote:True, Khan lined up the formidable Luis Collazo before the formidable CA. . Can anyone name a guy that Collazo beat before Ortiz quit on him? I didn't think so. Khan takes no risks unless there is a career payday behind it.

Hatton

Also Shane Mosley

Lackeos wrote:

armageto wrote:

Badhusker wrote:
He fought close, but that is really all that Collazo has done. He has lost every big fight he has been in. The Hatton fight, btw, was 2006 - 9 years ago.

One can argue he also beat Berto, for what its worth.......

Yeah, Collazo beat and was robbed by Berto.

Badhusker is just a hater of Khan, and can be counted to twist facts against Khan's favor now, 3 years ago, or 5 years from now. As long as Khan fights Fighter A and Thurman fights Fighter B, you can be sure that Badhusker thinks Fighter A is garbage and Fighter B is great. You don't see Badhusker in the Thurman vs Collazo thread going on about "Collazo never beat anyone, except Ortiz, who quit on him." It's more like "Thurman would fight anyone in the world, but so many are afraid to fight him, and Collazo is the greatest human who is actually willing to take-up the challenge."

Mosley beat Collazo just as bad as Khan did

diddy wrote:

jujigatame wrote:Guerrero is strictly a B-level guy at 147. The Berto win briefly convinced people otherwise but I think this has always been the case. He should probably go down to 140 but considering his unofficial weight was something like 157, it's probably not happening. I have no clue how he used to make 126.

I wouldn't mind seeing Guerrero/Algieri, but I have a feeling we're gonna get Guerrero/Peterson, or Guerrero/Khan if Khan doesn't get the Floyd fight.

Peterson, Khan and Algieri all beat Guerrero.

I agree except maybe for Algieri. Would be a close fight.

The Algieri that fought Khan and Provo beats Guerrero. I guess they're really the same guy. Pacquaio is just on a different level.