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Re: Did Jack Johnson ever apologise to Jess Willard?
Posted: 16 May 2016, 11:27
by Caractacus
ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Caractacus wrote:ClivePatrickLyons wrote:
Mate your kidding aint ya Jack Johnson was treated worse then a DOG.
If you were to ask me it was Jess Willard who was treated like a dog.
show me a photograph with him (Willard)and his "adoring" fans then.
The great white hope was treated like a dog well that will do me you should check what time in Americas[shameful] history we are talking about.
What about Ireland's shameful history ?
What did you all do to the indigenous people who were no doubt there before you'all took over ?
Mister you sound like a poorly educated person living in LA lA LAND.
During the last 10 thousand years of human history before America,
the only rights were the rights of conquest with the victors getting the spoils.
If you didnt want to be enslaved then you fought to the death.
BTW do you know how many Americans sacrificed their lives so that you can now be safe and sound
there on your little island ?
instead Taking orders from either the Emperor of Japan or der Furhar ?
when they ask you to jump your answer to them would have been "how high ?"
think about it.
Re: Did Jack Johnson ever apologise to Jess Willard?
Posted: 17 May 2016, 02:15
by ClivePatrickLyons
Caractacus wrote:ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Caractacus wrote:
If you were to ask me it was Jess Willard who was treated like a dog.
show me a photograph with him (Willard)and his "adoring" fans then.
The great white hope was treated like a dog well that will do me you should check what time in Americas[shameful] history we are talking about.
What about Ireland's shameful history ?
What did you all do to the indigenous people who were no doubt there before you'all took over ?
Mister you sound like a poorly educated person living in LA lA LAND.
During the last 10 thousand years of human history before America,
the only rights were the rights of conquest with the victors getting the spoils.
If you didnt want to be enslaved then you fought to the death.
BTW do you know how many Americans sacrificed their lives so that you can now be safe and sound
there on your little island
Ha Ha i'm indigenous you goose Aboriginal my tribe is the WIRADJURI i know no one in IRELAND smarty
instead Taking orders from either the Emperor of Japan or der Furhar ?
when they ask you to jump your answer to them would have been "how high ?"
think about it.
Re: Did Jack Johnson ever apologise to Jess Willard?
Posted: 17 May 2016, 02:57
by ClivePatrickLyons
LOOK UP MY TRIBE DUMMY ITS THE BIGGEST IN OUR STATE.................WIRADJURI............WHERE THE fornicate DID YOU GET IRELAND FROM.
Re: Did Jack Johnson ever apologise to Jess Willard?
Posted: 17 May 2016, 03:26
by Kalan
Why retract or apologize if he threw the fight??? As he was counted out he shaded his eyes from the sun with his forearm to make it obvious. Johnson claimed that the fight was scheduled for 45 rounds because he was promised numerous documents paving his way back into the United States after being a fugitive from justice for many years. He couldn't come back as the Heavyweight Champ. His wife needed time to receive and review the documents to make sure they were all in order. At the end of the 25th round she took her seat and gave him the signal. Johnson took a right and faked a KO in the 26th round. Willard was a pig. He didn't defend the title for 4 years and didn't respect the sport of Boxing. When he finally defended against Dempsey his training was horrible. Now it's claimed that he defended the title once in 4 years vs Frank Moran, but for many years that fight was represented as an exhibition and no scorecards were rendered. For me his only defense was against Dempsey and he looked pretty ridiculous to say the least.
Re: Did Jack Johnson ever apologise to Jess Willard?
Posted: 17 May 2016, 05:33
by gp.
Plainly Caractacus and Kalan are both the same person, the racist formerly known as Il Duce.
Their entire raison d'etre is to try and traduce black boxers in any way they can.
Laughable and pathetic little man. Or, possibly, men. If there is more than one of them, that's sad.
Re: Did Jack Johnson ever apologise to Jess Willard?
Posted: 17 May 2016, 14:27
by Caractacus
ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Caractacus wrote:ClivePatrickLyons wrote:
The great white hope was treated like a dog well that will do me you should check what time in Americas[shameful] history we are talking about.
What about Ireland's shameful history ?
What did you all do to the indigenous people who were no doubt there before you'all took over ?
Mister you sound like a poorly educated person living in LA lA LAND.
During the last 10 thousand years of human history before America,
the only rights were the rights of conquest with the victors getting the spoils.
If you didnt want to be enslaved then you fought to the death.
BTW do you know how many Americans sacrificed their lives so that you can now be safe and sound
there on your little island
Ha Ha i'm indigenous you goose Aboriginal my tribe is the WIRADJURI i know no one in IRELAND smarty
instead Taking orders from either the Emperor of Japan or der Furhar ?
when they ask you to jump your answer to them would have been "how high ?"
think about it.
Unless you are from Kenya you are not indigenous.
Man evolved in Africa.
You sir are just another intrusive species if you dont live in anywhere but Africa
(that includes me)
Re: Did Jack Johnson ever apologise to Jess Willard?
Posted: 17 May 2016, 14:28
by Caractacus
BTW what ever happened to the Diprotodon ?
answer me that sir.
BTW did you see my thread on the off topic forum on the Errol Flynn documentery ?
Re: Did Jack Johnson ever apologise to Jess Willard?
Posted: 17 May 2016, 14:32
by Caractacus
ClivePatrickLyons wrote:LOOK UP MY TRIBE DUMMY ITS THE BIGGEST IN OUR STATE.................WIRADJURI............WHERE THE eff DID YOU GET IRELAND FROM.
Oh I dunno, from your poster name in the corner there ?
Re: Did Jack Johnson ever apologise to Jess Willard?
Posted: 17 May 2016, 14:34
by Caractacus
gp. wrote:Plainly Caractacus and Kalan are both the same person, the racist formerly known as Il Duce.
Their entire raison d'etre is to try and traduce black boxers in any way they can.
Laughable and pathetic little man. Or, possibly, men. If there is more than one of them, that's sad.
You are such a dip-stick/
I pretty much exhausted threads on boxers like Sonny Liston,George Foreman,Earnie Shavers.Jack Johnson,
Cleveland Willams,Michael Dokes etc, a few years ago.
Just look up those threads and see if I had said anything bad about those gentleman.
Because I now like to discuss boxers who havent been over anyalized
by the main stream posters here.
Re: Did Jack Johnson ever apologise to Jess Willard?
Posted: 17 May 2016, 18:24
by gp.
Caractacus wrote:gp. wrote:Plainly Caractacus and Kalan are both the same person, the racist formerly known as Il Duce.
Their entire raison d'etre is to try and traduce black boxers in any way they can.
Laughable and pathetic little man. Or, possibly, men. If there is more than one of them, that's sad.
You are such a dip-stick/
I pretty much exhausted threads on boxers like Sonny Liston,George Foreman,Earnie Shavers.Jack Johnson,
Cleveland Willams,Michael Dokes etc, a few years ago.
Just look up those threads and see if I had said anything bad about those gentleman.
Because I now like to discuss boxers who havent been over anyalized
by the main stream posters here.
Because unlike Cleveland Williams, who has been done to death over the years, Ali has barely been discussed.
Are you capable of opening your mouth without saying something demonstrably stupid?
Re: Did Jack Johnson ever apologise to Jess Willard?
Posted: 17 May 2016, 18:27
by Caractacus
gp. wrote:Caractacus wrote:gp. wrote:Plainly Caractacus and Kalan are both the same person, the racist formerly known as Il Duce.
Their entire raison d'etre is to try and traduce black boxers in any way they can.
Laughable and pathetic little man. Or, possibly, men. If there is more than one of them, that's sad.
You are such a dip-stick/
I pretty much exhausted threads on boxers like Sonny Liston,George Foreman,Earnie Shavers.Jack Johnson,
Cleveland Willams,Michael Dokes etc, a few years ago.
Just look up those threads and see if I had said anything bad about those gentleman.
Because I now like to discuss boxers who havent been over anyalized
by the main stream posters here.
Because unlike Cleveland Williams, who has been done to death over the years, Ali has barely been discussed.
Are you capable of opening your mouth without saying something demonstrably stupid?
Ali has "been barely discussed ?
Sir,do you live in La-La Land or something ?
Just go down to your local public library and report back how many and the number of books
they have on their collection about Muhammad Ali
and then report back here.
Re: Did Jack Johnson ever apologise to Jess Willard?
Posted: 17 May 2016, 18:29
by Caractacus
Caractacus wrote:gp. wrote:Plainly Caractacus and Kalan are both the same person, the racist formerly known as Il Duce.
Their entire raison d'etre is to try and traduce black boxers in any way they can.
Laughable and pathetic little man. Or, possibly, men. If there is more than one of them, that's sad.
You are such a dip-stick/
I pretty much exhausted threads on boxers like Sonny Liston,George Foreman,Earnie Shavers.Jack Johnson,
Cleveland Willams,Michael Dokes etc, a few years ago.
Just look up those threads and see if I had said anything bad about those gentleman.
Because I now like to discuss boxers who havent been over anyalized
by the main stream posters here.
Oh yeah, I also have here a number of volumous and exhastive threads on this forum in the past about Joe Louis aka "The Brown Bomber".
BTW If you want to know anything about Joe Louis please feel to ask,and more then likely I will just bump a thread for you to answer your questions (no matter how obscure they may be).
C'mon I dare you.
I Double Dare you !
Re: Did Jack Johnson ever apologise to Jess Willard?
Posted: 17 May 2016, 18:36
by Caractacus
Re: Did Jack Johnson ever apologise to Jess Willard?
Posted: 18 May 2016, 02:56
by gp.
Caractacus wrote:gp. wrote:Caractacus wrote:
You are such a dip-stick/
I pretty much exhausted threads on boxers like Sonny Liston,George Foreman,Earnie Shavers.Jack Johnson,
Cleveland Willams,Michael Dokes etc, a few years ago.
Just look up those threads and see if I had said anything bad about those gentleman.
Because I now like to discuss boxers who havent been over anyalized
by the main stream posters here.
Because unlike Cleveland Williams, who has been done to death over the years, Ali has barely been discussed.
Are you capable of opening your mouth without saying something demonstrably stupid?
Ali has "been barely discussed ?
Sir,do you live in La-La Land or something ?
Just go down to your local public library and report back how many and the number of books
they have on their collection about Muhammad Ali
and then report back here.
I shall add irony to the list of things you don't understand.
Re: Did Jack Johnson ever apologise to Jess Willard?
Posted: 18 May 2016, 02:57
by gp.
Caractacus wrote:Caractacus wrote:gp. wrote:Plainly Caractacus and Kalan are both the same person, the racist formerly known as Il Duce.
Their entire raison d'etre is to try and traduce black boxers in any way they can.
Laughable and pathetic little man. Or, possibly, men. If there is more than one of them, that's sad.
You are such a dip-stick/
I pretty much exhausted threads on boxers like Sonny Liston,George Foreman,Earnie Shavers.Jack Johnson,
Cleveland Willams,Michael Dokes etc, a few years ago.
Just look up those threads and see if I had said anything bad about those gentleman.
Because I now like to discuss boxers who havent been over anyalized
by the main stream posters here.
Oh yeah, I also have here a number of volumous and exhastive threads on this forum in the past about Joe Louis aka "The Brown Bomber".
BTW If you want to know anything about Joe Louis please feel to ask,and more then likely I will just bump a thread for you to answer your questions (no matter how obscure they may be).
C'mon I dare you.
I Double Dare you !
The very last thing I want is more of your opinions on
anything.
Re: Did Jack Johnson ever apologise to Jess Willard?
Posted: 24 May 2016, 16:11
by pound per pound
It's bollacks from Johnson. If you watch his documentary, Unforgivable Blackness its clear Willard badly hurt him the round before the knockout.
Leave it up to Johnson to say the fix was in. He said the Ketchel match was fixed too, possibly to mitigate his embarrassment of being floored by the much smaller man and conveniently came up with the story after Ketchel's death
Re: Did Jack Johnson ever apologise to Jess Willard?
Posted: 26 May 2016, 16:07
by Ambling Alp II
I'm not sure the Ketchel fight was entirely on the level. It looks like Johnson was carrying him for a while. Early in the fight, (round three if I remember correctly) you can see Johnson hurt Ketchel and Johnson literally grabs Ketchel and holds him so that Ketchel doesn't go down.
The other thing that seems suspicious is what Johnson happens after he gets knocked down. He is clearly angry, and immediately knocks Ketchel out. Hard to believe that he could not have done that much sooner had he wanted to.
Re: Did Jack Johnson ever apologise to Jess Willard?
Posted: 26 May 2016, 23:21
by Kalan
gp. wrote:Plainly Caractacus and Kalan are both the same person, the racist formerly known as Il Duce.
Their entire raison d'etre is to try and traduce black boxers in any way they can.
Laughable and pathetic little man. Or, possibly, men. If there is more than one of them, that's sad.
You're a moron of monstrous proportions. I'm a huge supporter of Brook, Spence, Thurman, Porter, Nicholas, Rigondeaux, Luis Ortiz, Anthony Joshua, Chris Eubank, and many other great black boxers.. You have no idea what race I am.. You're just a sad idiot.
Re: Did Jack Johnson ever apologise to Jess Willard?
Posted: 27 May 2016, 11:17
by Caractacus
and that goes ditto for me too.
and dude "raison d'etre"?
are you friggen serious ?
you are so pretencious.
That continental Euro-Trash stuff may impress the birds at the pub,but not me.
Re: Did Jack Johnson ever apologise to Jess Willard?
Posted: 27 May 2016, 14:38
by gp.
Kalan wrote:gp. wrote:Plainly Caractacus and Kalan are both the same person, the racist formerly known as Il Duce.
Their entire raison d'etre is to try and traduce black boxers in any way they can.
Laughable and pathetic little man. Or, possibly, men. If there is more than one of them, that's sad.
You're a moron of monstrous proportions. I'm a huge supporter of Brook, Spence, Thurman, Porter, Nicholas, Rigondeaux, Luis Ortiz, Anthony Joshua, Chris Eubank, and many other great black boxers.. You have no idea what race I am.. You're just a sad idiot.
That accusation was aimed at Caractacus/Il Duce. If you are not him, then it doesn't apply. From what I have seen from posts by Kalan, you are just a fool, not a racist. I am still not sure you are not the same person, though I am not as convinced as I was.
Re: Did Jack Johnson ever apologise to Jess Willard?
Posted: 27 May 2016, 14:43
by gp.
Caractacus wrote:and that goes ditto for me too.
and dude "raison d'etre"?
are you friggen serious ?
you are so pretencious.
That continental Euro-Trash stuff may impress the birds at the pub,but not me.
"Raison d'etre" is a borrowing from French that has been an accepted term in English for at least 100 years. Every time you speak, you expose your ignorance. It's wonderful.
Re: Did Jack Johnson ever apologise to Jess Willard?
Posted: 27 May 2016, 15:08
by Caractacus
gp. wrote:Caractacus wrote:and that goes ditto for me too.
and dude "raison d'etre"?
are you friggen serious ?
you are so pretencious.
That continental Euro-Trash stuff may impress the birds at the pub,but not me.
"Raison d'etre" is a borrowing from French that has been an accepted term in English for at least 100 years. Every time you speak, you expose your ignorance. It's wonderful.
C'mon Everrub,we all know that its you.
Do you take us for such fools sir ?
Re: Did Jack Johnson ever apologise to Jess Willard?
Posted: 27 May 2016, 21:16
by gp.
Caractacus wrote:gp. wrote:Caractacus wrote:and that goes ditto for me too.
and dude "raison d'etre"?
are you friggen serious ?
you are so pretencious.
That continental Euro-Trash stuff may impress the birds at the pub,but not me.
"Raison d'etre" is a borrowing from French that has been an accepted term in English for at least 100 years. Every time you speak, you expose your ignorance. It's wonderful.
C'mon Everrub,we all know that its you.
Do you take us for such fools sir ?
Who?
Re: Did Jack Johnson ever apologise to Jess Willard?
Posted: 09 Jan 2017, 12:43
by Caractacus
Re: Did Jack Johnson ever apologise to Jess Willard?
Posted: 09 Jan 2017, 21:13
by APerno
Hey Barbarian – great video –
The opening footage of Willard showing-off his hand speed and footwork is laugh out loud funny; I don't think that can be
corrected; although the medicine ball makes him look intimidating, even at the wrong speed.
The film announcer called Willard the “Kansas Giant” (not the Pottawatomie Giant); wonder when this video was made? – He also claimed it was 103 degrees; I remember you debunking this, right?
I love seeing the gloves up-close; not much protection for hand or face.
They had more than one camera working; on one side there is the grandstand, the small crowd on the other side of the ring must have been the ‘on the track seats’ - the good/expensive seats; a ‘better sort people.’
The uncut 26th round was interesting – at first Johnson looks OK, strong enough, (he throws only one punch though,) but then he and Willard begin pushing each other around the ring for a few long seconds, and when the ref finally breaks them, Johnson steps back and his shoulders slump and he wobbles slightly; he suddenly looks beaten. Willard then stalks and the KO follows. Johnson’s exhaustion seemed to come all at once; as if the final clinch sapped his last ounce of energy; having Willard lean on you for 26 rounds, in the sun . . . exhausting!
Again, great video – thank you!