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A catch weight is a specific weight agreed on between the division weight, you don't call 160 a catch weight, you call 157 a catch weight

Badhusker wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:

Badhusker wrote:I'm not arguing that it was a welterweight fight. A catch weight is when they agree on that is in between their normal fighting weights.

No, a cw is when fighters contractually agree a weight that isn't an official weight class limit, i.e 144 or 152.

Pac vs Oscar and Floyd vs Hatton don't constitute catchweights. They were faught at official limits.

A catchweight is a compromise weight. It doesn't matter if it is at a regular weight. Do some research dumb fuk. Arguing with an idiot.

No it isn't you turb. The definition is both clear and simple, an agreed weight limit outwith the regular classes. Why is that so hard to understand? Do you often just make up your own definitions?

punchoutsb wrote: You're both kind of right, IMO.

If a 154 and a 140 agree to fight at Welterweight, that's not a catchweight, it's a Welterweight fight.
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Not 'kind of'. I'm right and badhusker is wrong. It's not even a matter of opinion it's fact. How can a boxing fan not understand what a catchweight is?

Ricky_ wrote:

punchoutsb wrote: You're both kind of right, IMO.

If a 154 and a 140 agree to fight at Welterweight, that's not a catchweight, it's a Welterweight fight.
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Not 'kind of'. I'm right and badhusker is wrong. It's not even a matter of opinion it's fact. How can a boxing fan not understand what a catchweight is?

I do understand, as shown by my definition. Badhusker is correct in that it is a compromised weight, hence "kind of". He is incorrect in thinking a catchweight can be fought at a real weight class.

handsofstone wrote:I don't mind catchweights in non title fights but no way should titles be on the line

This is exactly what the rule should be on catch weights Perfectly put.

Catchweight
It's a weight mutually agreed upon by two boxers. It's when boxers in different weight classes meet in the middle. A catchweight fight is made at a middle-of-the-road weight between two weight divisions. http://www.ringsidebygus.com/boxing-terms.html


Pacquiao vs DLH was technically a catchweight, fought at the welterweight weight division. It is more commonly used for weight stipulations in-between the weight divisions, such as 152 for Floyd vs Canelo, but in this case DLH was at 154, Pac was at 135, and they met in the middle.

Badhusker wrote:Catchweight
It's a weight mutually agreed upon by two boxers. It's when boxers in different weight classes meet in the middle. A catchweight fight is made at a middle-of-the-road weight between two weight divisions. http://www.ringsidebygus.com/boxing-terms.html


Pacquiao vs DLH was technically a catchweight, fought at the welterweight weight division. It is more commonly used for weight stipulations in-between the weight divisions, such as 152 for Floyd vs Canelo, but in this case DLH was at 154, Pac was at 135, and they met in the middle.

Did you just go looking for the most vague definition you could find? "Ringside by Gus", seriously?


Collins English Dictionary:
"adjective
of or relating to a contest in which normal weight categories have been waived by agreement"

http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictio ... atchweight


Wikipedia:
"A catch weight is a term used in combat sports such as boxing and mixed martial arts to describe a weight limit for a fight that does not fall in line with the traditional limits for weight classes."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_weight


By your made-up and simply wrong definition loads more fights would be catchweights, including Floyd vs Hatton, as Floyd was moving down from 154lb having just won Oscars Super Welterweight belt in his previous fight, and Hatton the recognised LightWelter Champion moved up a division to meet him.

Let's see if you can grasp it if i put it likes this;

A catchweight is a contractual limit outwith normal weight class limits.
Pacquaio vs Oscar DeLaHoya had a weight limit of 147lb.
147lb is the Welterweight limit.
Pacquaio vs DeLaHoya therefore was not a catchweight, it did not have a contracted weigh limit outwith the normal weight classes.
Pacquiao vs DeLaHoya was a Welterweight fight.
Floyd vs Hatton had a weight limit of 147lb.
147lb is the Welterweight limit.
Floyd vs Hatton did not have a contracted weight limit outwith the normal boxing weight classes.
Floyd vs Hatton was a Welterweight fight.

Ricky_ wrote:

Badhusker wrote:Catchweight
It's a weight mutually agreed upon by two boxers. It's when boxers in different weight classes meet in the middle. A catchweight fight is made at a middle-of-the-road weight between two weight divisions. http://www.ringsidebygus.com/boxing-terms.html


Pacquiao vs DLH was technically a catchweight, fought at the welterweight weight division. It is more commonly used for weight stipulations in-between the weight divisions, such as 152 for Floyd vs Canelo, but in this case DLH was at 154, Pac was at 135, and they met in the middle.

Did you just go looking for the most vague definition you could find? "Ringside by Gus", seriously?


Collins English Dictionary:
"adjective
of or relating to a contest in which normal weight categories have been waived by agreement"

http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictio ... atchweight


Wikipedia:
"A catch weight is a term used in combat sports such as boxing and mixed martial arts to describe a weight limit for a fight that does not fall in line with the traditional limits for weight classes."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_weight


By your made-up and simply wrong definition loads more fights would be catchweights, including Floyd vs Hatton, as Floyd was moving down from 154lb having just won Oscars Super Welterweight belt in his previous fight, and Hatton the recognised LightWelter Champion moved up a division to meet him.

Let's see if you can grasp it if i put it likes this;

A catchweight is a contractual limit outwith normal weight class limits.
Pacquaio vs Oscar DeLaHoya had a weight limit of 147lb.
147lb is the Welterweight limit.
Pacquaio vs DeLaHoya therefore was not a catchweight, it did not have a contracted weigh limit outwith the normal weight classes.
Pacquiao vs DeLaHoya was a Welterweight fight.
Floyd vs Hatton had a weight limit of 147lb.
147lb is the Welterweight limit.
Floyd vs Hatton did not have a contracted weight limit outwith the normal boxing weight classes.
Floyd vs Hatton was a Welterweight fight.

DLH vs. Pac. DLH 154 agrees to fight Pac at 147. Pac moves up from 140. DLH agrees...

When it's obvious one side has more control in the say so. Just because the other fighter the one moving down in weight agree's...

DLH weight loss looks emancipated on fight night. The weight or muscle loss and probably a combination of tough fights in the past DLH is lethargic and does not put up a good fight.

Perhaps the arguement is why did DLH agree. This fight to me has all implications of a catch weight. Even though by some definition of a contract weight it's overlooked as not being one?

I don't think so

Look, anyone can find a definition to fit their argument. At least I didn't use wiki, which can be edited. A catch weight IS a compromised weight agreed upon by the two fighters, and at a weight neither normally fight at. DLH vs Pac is one of the more famous catchweights fights.

If Floyd fought kovalev at 160 would you call it a catchweight? If Crawford fought Andrade at 147 would you call it a catchweight? If Pac fought Ward at 154 would you call it a catchweight? If you answer no to any of the above, I will drop my argument.

They meet in the middle. It doesn't matter if it is at a normal weight class. Believe what you want.

Badhusker wrote:Look, anyone can find a definition to fit their argument.

Perhaps but that doesn't make it right, you found a loose, vague interpretation from a blog, the official definition of what a catchweight is, is in the dictionary. It's not some vague term that is open to interpration, it is clearly defined.

Badhusker wrote:At least I didn't use wiki, which can be edited.

Wiki is backed up by sources. Collins & Oxford dictionary = official sources. "Ringside by Gus" =

Badhusker wrote:A catch weight IS a compromised weight agreed upon by the two fighters, and at a weight neither normally fight at.

no....... maybe your just too stubborn or too proud to admit you're wrong but that is simply, factually, wrong.

Badhusker wrote:If Floyd fought kovalev at 160 would you call it a catchweight?

No, that's middleweight.

Badhusker wrote:If Crawford fought Andrade at 147 would you call it a catchweight?

No, that's welterweight.

If Pac fought Ward at 154 would you call it a catchweight?

Nope that is a SuperWelter/Junior Middleweight fight.

They meet in the middle. It doesn't matter if it is at a normal weight class. Believe what you want.

You're the one beliveing your own made-up definitions. What is a tree to you? To everyone else a tree is something that grows out of the ground, has a brown wooden trunk and grows leaves. Maybe to you a tree is any kind of greenery, maybe you count shrubbery growing in an old ladies hanging baskets as "trees".

135lb = lightweight
136lb = catchweight
137lb = catchweight
138lb = catchweight
139lb = catchweight
140lb = Light Welterweight
141lb = catchweight
142lb = catchweight

You see, a catchweight is simply a weight limit, just like a weight class. Boxer's a real fussy these days, if they can't find a weight claass to fight in like Lightweight, the negotiate a weight outwith the standard limit's and call it a catchweight.

@Ricky.
I'm not the only one that called Delahoya vs Pacquiao a catch weight

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2013/07/may ... h-weights/ (Its the first fight they talk about)


Another article where they call it a catch weight: "A catchweight of 147 will further hamper Pacquiao"...

http://www.BS.com/de-la-hoya-v ... alk--15397


And yet another article that calls it a catchweight:
"More recently, Pacquiao has a habit of fighting at catch weights, going up against Oscar De La Hoya, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito and Juan Manuel Marquez respectively at catch weights."

http://www.boxinginsider.com/columns/is ... ch-weight/

I could go on and on, but have better things to do.

Badhusker wrote:@Ricky.
I'm not the only one that called Delahoya vs Pacquiao a catch weight

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2013/07/may ... h-weights/ (Its the first fight they talk about)


Another article where they call it a catch weight: "A catchweight of 147 will further hamper Pacquiao"...

http://www.BS.com/de-la-hoya-v ... alk--15397


And yet another article that calls it a catchweight:
"More recently, Pacquiao has a habit of fighting at catch weights, going up against Oscar De La Hoya, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito and Juan Manuel Marquez respectively at catch weights."

http://www.boxinginsider.com/columns/is ... ch-weight/

I could go on and on, but have better things to do.

The first link doesn't call Pac vs ODLH a catchweight, it calls it a Welterweight sanctioned fight, like it was.

But well done on finding another blog post that is wrong like you are, ironically that last one from a Floyd rider laughably defending his atrocious catchweight vs Saul. Sums you up, did you write that blog?

I don't defend any catchweight fight you freaking moron. I may as well be talking to a stump.

Well you're not best placed to criticise or defend catchweights on the basis you don't know what they are.