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punchoutsb wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:....was it not up against the fight of the weekend?...Kind of a hard sell "Wanna watch Ward beat a British bum or that good looking Canadian guy smash someones head in?"

The Ward fight started after both Porter vs Broner and Lemieux vs N'Dam were over.

It was on concurrently with Lemieux/N'Dam; I switched up to it occasionally during commercials.

Ah, it was Sky who made them sequential.

allegedly had Lemieux, Sky had the other two

Hardly surprising it did poor numbers, a provincial channel, a guy who has been inactive for 18 months, who was never a draw, against a massive underdog - why would it do good numbers?

Ward will have bigger better fights, and do better numbers, simple as.

If he picks a crappy opponent again, major channels will not televise him.

Freedom2013 wrote:Andre Ward on BET scored 325 thousand viewers with a 0.09 demographic rating to finish in 71st place in Saturday's cable ratings list.

That's worse than Lara got on Spike. :(

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/s ... -2015.html

That number means next to nothing without showing what BET usually gets on a Saturday night. It was in competition with two bigger cards, and had next to no promotion

ikorolev wrote:If he picks a crappy opponent again, major channels will not televise him.

I doubt he will pick another sub par opponent like this again.

I don't think Ward wants to waste much more of his career than he already has, he needs to have a standout fight soon.

It took me a couple hours but i finally found BET on Saturday night and taped the Ward fight. First i'll say that i thought that he looked great and his performance, albeit against a poor fighter, was impressive after being out of the ring for so long. Smith showed he had a great chin and in spurts, hit Ward with several punches you don't often see Ward get hit with. I'll call it ring rust but another thing was also noticeable in the fight: Ward would get knocked out by GGG, no doubt in my mind.

Ward doesn't have one punch power and there's no way he'll be able to fend off GGG for 12 rounds. Ward would have to throw 150 punches a round to keep GGG busy enough to slow him down. Eventually, Ward would slow down in the 5th - 7th round and GGG would knock him out. Ward would win the first part of the fight but there's no way he could keep that pace up and without a knockout punch, Ward has no shot. 15-1 odds-GGG.

Ok where's the head butt you're talking about.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

ikorolev wrote:If he picks a crappy opponent again, major channels will not televise him.

I doubt he will pick another sub par opponent like this again.

I don't think Ward wants to waste much more of his career than he already has, he needs to have a standout fight soon.

I doubt that other SMW champions are anxious to fight him. Chudinov's promoter is talking about possibly fighting next year, but even they can change their mind and fight more beatable opposition. He will at best fight young contenders.

Yes, Wards abilities, and lack of drawing power make it very hard for him to get the fights his career deserves.

Most probably figure they have little chance of beating him, and they won't get a very big payday, so the risk reward ratio isn't there.

I think he will have to move to 175 - where his lack of size will make for more even fights, or at least the perception amongst the other champs that he is beatable.

Trouble is, there's a guy there who is a big tough and vicious champion, and Ward would be at a serious disadvantage due to his lack of size.

If Ward did manage to beat Kovolev, that would be some achievement. I definitely think he would be at the least competitive - he's tough is Ward, and dirty in the clinches, and what he lacks in power, he makes up for in skill and defensive nous. He'd have to fight the perfect fight, but Ward is an exceptionally focussed fighter, who executes his game plan for the full 3 minutes of every round.

caldo2025 wrote:It took me a couple hours but i finally found BET on Saturday night and taped the Ward fight. First i'll say that i thought that he looked great and his performance, albeit against a poor fighter, was impressive after being out of the ring for so long. Smith showed he had a great chin and in spurts, hit Ward with several punches you don't often see Ward get hit with. I'll call it ring rust but another thing was also noticeable in the fight: Ward would get knocked out by GGG, no doubt in my mind.

Ward doesn't have one punch power and there's no way he'll be able to fend off GGG for 12 rounds. Ward would have to throw 150 punches a round to keep GGG busy enough to slow him down. Eventually, Ward would slow down in the 5th - 7th round and GGG would knock him out. Ward would win the first part of the fight but there's no way he could keep that pace up and without a knockout punch, Ward has no shot. 15-1 odds-GGG.

I'll take those odds in a heartbeat and so would any intelligent bettor.

If Ward took at least 2 more fights so dissolve any rust, and the bout was held at 168, Ward would be a 2-1 favorite.
Quoting 15-1 odds favoring the Russian is insane...like making Pacquiao a 15-1 choice over Mayweather in a rematch.

Where do people come up with these things?

SenorPipino wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:It took me a couple hours but i finally found BET on Saturday night and taped the Ward fight. First i'll say that i thought that he looked great and his performance, albeit against a poor fighter, was impressive after being out of the ring for so long. Smith showed he had a great chin and in spurts, hit Ward with several punches you don't often see Ward get hit with. I'll call it ring rust but another thing was also noticeable in the fight: Ward would get knocked out by GGG, no doubt in my mind.

Ward doesn't have one punch power and there's no way he'll be able to fend off GGG for 12 rounds. Ward would have to throw 150 punches a round to keep GGG busy enough to slow him down. Eventually, Ward would slow down in the 5th - 7th round and GGG would knock him out. Ward would win the first part of the fight but there's no way he could keep that pace up and without a knockout punch, Ward has no shot. 15-1 odds-GGG.

I'll take those odds in a heartbeat and so would any intelligent bettor.

If Ward took at least 2 more fights so dissolve any rust, and the bout was held at 168, Ward would be a 2-1 favorite.
Quoting 15-1 odds favoring the Russian is insane...like making Pacquiao a 15-1 choice over Mayweather in a rematch.

Where do people come up with these things?

I don't care what the odds in Vegas will show, my opinion is that Ward has one chance in fifteen of beating GGG. That's what I was referring to with my comment. Ward is one of the most overrated boxers i've ever seen. Who has he really fought? The Super 6 tournament consisted of good fighters, not elite fighters. Ward doesn't have knockout power and GGG's chin is ridiculous. Ward would have to fight 180 seconds of every single round and that pace is impossible to keep.

The sad part is that people like you don't see anything wrong with a champion not defending his title for almost two years and when he finally comes back, he fights a chump like Smith and you go all gaga about how great he is. Not me. Ward should stay in booth calling fights instead of inside it fighting garbage and jumping on the ring posts after with his hands up like he did something great.

caldo2025 wrote:

SenorPipino wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:It took me a couple hours but i finally found BET on Saturday night and taped the Ward fight. First i'll say that i thought that he looked great and his performance, albeit against a poor fighter, was impressive after being out of the ring for so long. Smith showed he had a great chin and in spurts, hit Ward with several punches you don't often see Ward get hit with. I'll call it ring rust but another thing was also noticeable in the fight: Ward would get knocked out by GGG, no doubt in my mind.

Ward doesn't have one punch power and there's no way he'll be able to fend off GGG for 12 rounds. Ward would have to throw 150 punches a round to keep GGG busy enough to slow him down. Eventually, Ward would slow down in the 5th - 7th round and GGG would knock him out. Ward would win the first part of the fight but there's no way he could keep that pace up and without a knockout punch, Ward has no shot. 15-1 odds-GGG.

I'll take those odds in a heartbeat and so would any intelligent bettor.

If Ward took at least 2 more fights so dissolve any rust, and the bout was held at 168, Ward would be a 2-1 favorite.
Quoting 15-1 odds favoring the Russian is insane...like making Pacquiao a 15-1 choice over Mayweather in a rematch.

Where do people come up with these things?

I don't care what the odds in Vegas will show, my opinion is that Ward has one chance in fifteen of beating GGG. That's what I was referring to with my comment. Ward is one of the most overrated boxers i've ever seen. Who has he really fought? The Super 6 tournament consisted of good fighters, not elite fighters. Ward doesn't have knockout power and GGG's chin is ridiculous. Ward would have to fight 180 seconds of every single round and that pace is impossible to keep.

The sad part is that people like you don't see anything wrong with a champion not defending his title for almost two years and when he finally comes back, he fights a chump like Smith and you go all gaga about how great he is. Not me. Ward should stay in booth calling fights instead of inside it fighting garbage and jumping on the ring posts after with his hands up like he did something great.

I'd strongly advise against a career in professional gambling if you give him 6% chance of winning the fight.

Ward has fought a far better level of opposition than GGG at this stage, Kessler and Froch trump anything on GGG's resume, and he dominated them with ease.

GGG hasn't fought even once at 168, and yet you give the top guy at 168 a 6% chance of winning.

I'll gladly take your odds. Should they ever fight, I suggest you back up your strong words with money, and we can have a bet at those odds mano a mano.

Nobody is raving over a win over Smith - they are raving over his body of work to date, and the ease with which he dominated Kessler and Ward, two men who prior to that had never been dominated by anybody.

You clearly have a serious hard on for GGG - I suggest you douse your member in ice cold water before approaching any betting shops.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: I'd strongly advise against a career in professional gambling if you give him 6% chance of winning the fight.

Ward has fought a far better level of opposition than GGG at this stage, Kessler and Froch trump anything on GGG's resume, and he dominated them with ease.

GGG hasn't fought even once at 168, and yet you give the top guy at 168 a 6% chance of winning.

I'll gladly take your odds. Should they ever fight, I suggest you back up your strong words with money, and we can have a bet at those odds mano a mano.

Nobody is raving over a win over Smith - they are raving over his body of work to date, and the ease with which he dominated Kessler and Ward, two men who prior to that had never been dominated by anybody.

You clearly have a serious hard on for GGG - I suggest you douse your member in ice cold water before approaching any betting shops.

6% is clearly too low, but your references to resumes are laughable. Resumes don't fight in the ring -- fighters are. Ward has never faced anybody like Golovkin. My only concern is size difference allowing Ward to clinch and maul his way to the final bell.

Is a thread about a sporting event being on BET doing bleh numbers really necessary ? Of course it did crap numbers. It's BET and not even black people watch it anymore. I doubt 95% of the universe even knew this channel aired sporting events.

The people that would actually wager $ against Ward vs any man not named Kovalev are very, very stupid individuals. I'm here to help. And to advise you. Don't do it. Just don't do it. Resist. Abstain. And even if those 2 do fight, you still don't bet against him. It's a no bet either way.

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I'll take those odds in a heartbeat and so would any intelligent bettor.

If Ward took at least 2 more fights so dissolve any rust, and the bout was held at 168, Ward would be a 2-1 favorite.
Quoting 15-1 odds favoring the Russian is insane...like making Pacquiao a 15-1 choice over Mayweather in a rematch.

Where do people come up with these things?[/quote]

I don't care what the odds in Vegas will show, my opinion is that Ward has one chance in fifteen of beating GGG. That's what I was referring to with my comment. Ward is one of the most overrated boxers i've ever seen. Who has he really fought? The Super 6 tournament consisted of good fighters, not elite fighters. Ward doesn't have knockout power and GGG's chin is ridiculous. Ward would have to fight 180 seconds of every single round and that pace is impossible to keep.

The sad part is that people like you don't see anything wrong with a champion not defending his title for almost two years and when he finally comes back, he fights a chump like Smith and you go all gaga about how great he is. Not me. Ward should stay in booth calling fights instead of inside it fighting garbage and jumping on the ring posts after with his hands up like he did something great.[/quote]

Does it occur to you for a second, that there are other ways of nullifying your opponent other than throwing 150 punches a round?

Hopkins managed up until very recently to nullify the work of younger, fresher, and naturally bigger fighters, you don't think Ward is capable of the same.

Ward has subtle but excellent footwork, a very crafty inside game, and is very physically strong, and exceptionally focussed in the ring.

GGG will have the hardest fight of his life against Ward, of that I am pretty sure.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Does it occur to you for a second, that there are other ways of nullifying your opponent other than throwing 150 punches a round?

Hopkins managed up until very recently to nullify the work of younger, fresher, and naturally bigger fighters, you don't think Ward is capable of the same.

Ward has subtle but excellent footwork, a very crafty inside game, and is very physically strong, and exceptionally focussed in the ring.

GGG will have the hardest fight of his life against Ward, of that I am pretty sure.

good, balanced post mate. I don't know how anyone could disagree with the last part.

Ward has a 1 in 15 chance of beating GGG?!? You DO realize Ward will actually be a favorite in that fight. Of at least -200, probably more like -275. A 1 in 15 chance indicates GGG should be roughly -3000 favorite. But you're smarter than the books, right?

Do you know how STUPID you sound talking about Ward's opponents not being that great? Carl Froch and Mikkel Kessler would take a SH*T on everyone GGG has ever fought. You're either biased or just flat out stupid. Bookies LOVE guys like you.

ikorolev wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote: I'd strongly advise against a career in professional gambling if you give him 6% chance of winning the fight.

Ward has fought a far better level of opposition than GGG at this stage, Kessler and Froch trump anything on GGG's resume, and he dominated them with ease.

GGG hasn't fought even once at 168, and yet you give the top guy at 168 a 6% chance of winning.

I'll gladly take your odds. Should they ever fight, I suggest you back up your strong words with money, and we can have a bet at those odds mano a mano.

Nobody is raving over a win over Smith - they are raving over his body of work to date, and the ease with which he dominated Kessler and Ward, two men who prior to that had never been dominated by anybody.

You clearly have a serious hard on for GGG - I suggest you douse your member in ice cold water before approaching any betting shops.

6% is clearly too low, but your references to resumes are laughable. Resumes don't fight in the ring -- fighters are. Ward has never faced anybody like Golovkin. My only concern is size difference allowing Ward to clinch and maul his way to the final bell.

Who has GGG faced who is like Ward precisely>

So what are we supposed to base our opinions on exactly, other than the opponents someone has beaten in the ring? Pure fantasy, how much we would like to rim the fighter in question - what precisely? If that is the case, why do boxing scribes always refer to the legacy of a fighter being built on his body of work - his resume in other words.

It's all well and good looking devastating against B level opposition, but it's another thing doing against the top table. Ward dominated completely two of the very best men at 168 - whatever you might say about Froch, after Ward he is clearly the next best on merit. Otherwise we might as well judge fighters on how good they look on the pads and heavy bag.

GGG has not faced any stern tests as yet - Cotto would probably represent his best victory to date, albeit a slightly shopworn Cotto - however, what he has not yet faced, is a top tier career middleweight in their prime.

If he fought Froch and smashed the granny out of him, I would then fancy his prospects against Ward a lot more, however, considering he has no pedigree at 168 - it's lunacy to suggest he is a favourite against Ward - there's just no real evidence to support that supposition.

Counter-puncher wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Does it occur to you for a second, that there are other ways of nullifying your opponent other than throwing 150 punches a round?

Hopkins managed up until very recently to nullify the work of younger, fresher, and naturally bigger fighters, you don't think Ward is capable of the same.

Ward has subtle but excellent footwork, a very crafty inside game, and is very physically strong, and exceptionally focussed in the ring.

GGG will have the hardest fight of his life against Ward, of that I am pretty sure.

good, balanced post mate. I don't know how anyone could disagree with the last part.

That's it - I am not saying GGG has no chance - he might turn out to be the second coming of Gozer the Gozerian for all I know, but judging it purely on the evidence, I'd make ward a big favourite, until such time as Golovkin beats a career 168 lb fighter with proper pedigree. If fought say, I don't know, Bika, and pasted him all over the ring and stopped him - I'd definitely shorten those odds.

Okay so surprisingly there's an american fella on one side of the argument (guess which one?) and a Russian fella on the other side

and two brits in the middle.

takes me back to the Cold War, it does. lolz.

seriously, both of you, you're making each other look less reasonable. and that in itself is a pretty big statement right thurr.

I think Ward beats the undersized GGG...something like 8-4.

I'm much more interested in Ward-Kovalev.

crusader wrote: I'm much more interested in Ward-Kovalev.

I see that you don't like Ward He has some chances against GGG especially if they fight in Oakland, but Kova will definitely KRUSH him.

I'd make Kovalev favourite for sure, but I'd not make Ward a totally rank outsider.

Skills translate better than power as you transcend weights, and defensive skills especially.

The other thing In Ward's favour, is that Kovalev isn't that tall, he's the same height as Ward, so it wouldn't be a total physical mistmatch.

I'd like to see the fight too, be some achievement if Ward prevailed against such a dominant looking champ.