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koolkc107 wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

koolkc107 wrote: Hagler: Even that night, when he was done talking, I told myself: Oh yeah, one day, it’s gonna happen. If you keep knocking everyone out, they’re going to have to come to you. Look, I believe a true champion stays in his own category. I controlled the middleweight division. I owned it. I didn’t want to go up or down in weight. I just wanted to defend my title. I believed if I waited, the big names would come to me at middleweight. And I always said that the only way they’re going to beat me is [to] knock me out. And if they’re going to knock me out, they better hit me with that ring post, because I ain’t going nowhere. So the Roberto Durans, the Leonards, the Tommy Hearnses, these guys were like vultures, sitting on the fence, waiting for somebody to beat me so it would make it that much easier for them to come in and take my title. And I said, “No-no-no-no.”

http://grantland.com/features/hagler-vs-leonard/

First of all Hagler said it after he retired. What people say post-factum is often different than what they said before.

Second: isn't sitting on the fence is what Canelo, Quillin, Lemieux, Lee, Cotto, etc. are doing now ? Exact same situation.

You can't equate the two situations, they are vastly different.

One guy wanted to fight money fights but was happy to wait till they came up, if they came up.

The other guy wants money fights and says he will fight in other divisions but when challenged by credible guys in the divisions he says he can fight in...ducks.

Those credible guys from 168 and 175 don't offer any significant money, so the "ducking" is in tune with wanting big money fights. The only two guys at 168 who could offer money, Froch and Junior, are/were ducking Golovkin.

Butterbean wrote:

Freedom2013 wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:"Gennady's focus is on unifying the middleweight titles right now," Loeffler said...

http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles ... -video.htm

And this is how great fighters conduct themselves?

By the same standard, then Floyd Mayweather the WBC Champion at 154 is ducking GGG.

Isnt he doing just that ?

Yes, he is ducking GGG, Lara and Andrade.

And this is how great fighters conduct themselves?[/quote]By the same standard, then Floyd Mayweather the WBC Champion at 154 is ducking GGG.[/quote]


Isnt he doing just that ?[/quote]

Yes, he is ducking GGG, Lara and Andrade.[/quote]

Christ, why does anyone bother to listen to the bullshit that managers, promoters, and fighters say.

It's one thing calling someone out, another entirely to actually sit down and broker a deal.

Most of this is just promotional horseshite, designed to keep everyone's name in people's minds.

GGG's people are no way going to let him step up to 175 unless there's a huge payday involved, because there's a bloody good chance he gets his ass kicked, as he is not even a huge 160 lber.

Perhaps in 2-3 years, when he's run out of challengers, it will happen, and only then if the fight has been built up enough to be a very nice payday.

Syntax Error wrote:I love how it says he has ruled out fights with guys who are not even in his weight class!

If he wants to fight those guys, he needs to go up to their weight class & beat a path to their doors by proving he is either the best contender for their titles or a lucrative enough option to fight in the case of Hopkins.

No he does not. Your logic is beyond idiotic. He should stay at middle. He does not need to step out of weight for anyone.

Lancenix wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:I love how it says he has ruled out fights with guys who are not even in his weight class!

If he wants to fight those guys, he needs to go up to their weight class & beat a path to their doors by proving he is either the best contender for their titles or a lucrative enough option to fight in the case of Hopkins.

No he does not. Your logic is beyond idiotic. He should stay at middle. He does not need to step out of weight for anyone.

You write shite like this & tell my logic is beyond idiotic?

If like you say, he should stay at 160, then he he shut up about the likes of Ward & Hopkins, which is just another way of saying exactly what I said.

GGG is not ducking anyone. Nor is Ward.

Syntax Error wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:I love how it says he has ruled out fights with guys who are not even in his weight class!

If he wants to fight those guys, he needs to go up to their weight class & beat a path to their doors by proving he is either the best contender for their titles or a lucrative enough option to fight in the case of Hopkins.

No he does not. Your logic is beyond idiotic. He should stay at middle. He does not need to step out of weight for anyone.

You write shite like this & tell my logic is beyond idiotic?

If like you say, he should stay at 160, then he he shut up about the likes of Ward & Hopkins, which is just another way of saying exactly what I said.

correct me if I am wrong, isn't it GGG's representatives banging the drum about him fighting in other weight classes - I do agree however that they should shut up if they aren't actually intending to do so.

There's still a lot of fights I'd like to see GGG have at middle.
Unifying Lee, Cotto and Lemiux would be fun.
He's got to fight Danny Jacobs in the next year.
Also guys might move up Andrade, Lara and Canelo.
He's not even a big middle. I'd love GGG to stay at middle and be the middle of our generation, like the generation before had Marvin and the generation before had SRR

jamesmcdonnell wrote: correct me if I am wrong, isn't it GGG's representatives banging the drum about him fighting in other weight classes - I do agree however that they should shut up if they aren't actually intending to do so.

Maybe you should shut up if you aren't even capable of hearing/reading THE WHOLE SENTENCE. They say that he would fight at 154 or 168 IF IT IS A BIG MONEY FIGHT. Hopkins and Ward aren't big money fights.

ikorolev wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote: correct me if I am wrong, isn't it GGG's representatives banging the drum about him fighting in other weight classes - I do agree however that they should shut up if they aren't actually intending to do so.

Maybe you should shut up if you aren't even capable of hearing/reading THE WHOLE SENTENCE. They say that he would fight at 154 or 168 IF IT IS A BIG MONEY FIGHT. Hopkins and Ward aren't big money fights.

You don't think a fight with Hopkins could be built into a big event?

I won't be shutting up any time soon, of that you can be certain.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote: correct me if I am wrong, isn't it GGG's representatives banging the drum about him fighting in other weight classes - I do agree however that they should shut up if they aren't actually intending to do so.

Maybe you should shut up if you aren't even capable of hearing/reading THE WHOLE SENTENCE. They say that he would fight at 154 or 168 IF IT IS A BIG MONEY FIGHT. Hopkins and Ward aren't big money fights.

You don't think a fight with Hopkins could be built into a big event?

I won't be shutting up any time soon, of that you can be certain.

Kovalev made $500,000 fighting Hopkins ...

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Kovalev made $500,000 fighting Hopkins ...[/quote]

Really? That's pretty poor - what did Hopkins make?

What did Korolev make in his other fights.

A fight with Hopkins would definitely put GGG into the public consciousness, although of course, his star has waned a little, - he's still a top 5 light heavyweight.

koolkc107 wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:"Gennady's focus is on unifying the middleweight titles right now," Loeffler said...

http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles ... -video.htm

And this is how great fighters conduct themselves?

Floyd id ducking Lara, Andrade and Golovkin. Is this how great fighters conduct themselves?

LMAO!!!!

Golovkin doesn't fight at 154, has never proven he can fight at 154. If anything, you could say GGG is talking the talk yet not walking the walk by fighting a legit guy at 154 in order to prove he deserves such a fight with Mayweather.

Lara lost pretty convincingly to a guy Floyd beat pretty convincingly.

Andrade makes no sense financially and Floyd has already beat a guy in division that most consider better than Andrade.

Nice try though...

Berto lost to two guys Floyd beat convincingly.

Berto also makes no sense financially and Floyd already beat MANY guys at 147 better than Berto.

Everyone still pulling it over GGG don't get me wrong I like him and he's good for boxing most BRUTAL KO ARTIST ARE but over the past 40 year's or so I'v seen them come and go the MYTH of being invinsible forever gone remember these AWSOME GGG LIKE WARRIOR'S :??
MIKE TYSON,JOE FRAZIER,RUBEN OLIVARES,ERNIE SHAVERS,JOHN MUGABI,GEORGE FOREMAN,TOMMY HEARNS,NIGEL BENN,
and that's only some.With the exception of a few like MARCIANO and the tragic KO artist EDWIN VALERO who were never bettered
So I say it will happen mark my word...............................................So you GGG fanatic's ENJOY WHILE IT LAST........

GGG agreed to face Froch at 168.

But is demanding Ward meet him at 164.

http://www.BS.com/andre-ward-g ... ght--93803

diddy wrote:GGG agreed to face Froch at 168.

But is demanding Ward meet him at 164.

http://www.BS.com/andre-ward-g ... ght--93803

Froch brings money. Ward doesn't.

ikorolev wrote:

diddy wrote:GGG agreed to face Froch at 168.

But is demanding Ward meet him at 164.

http://www.BS.com/andre-ward-g ... ght--93803

Froch brings money. Ward doesn't.

What's a catchweight got to do with that?

Ridiculous OP and getting old now. I WISH that all of boxing coveted these world title belts like GGG and Kovalev do. The goal for both guys is to own all of the belts in their division so what's wrong with that? Remember when Undisputed Champion meant something back in the day? Now they come up with imaginary terms like "Lineal Champion" which is the dumbest thing i've ever heard. The man beat the man? That dumb shiit is how you end up with Miguel Cotto as Middleweight Lineal Champion because he beats one over the hill guy with no knees taking his last lap.

GGG doesn't have to move up in weight to be my #1 P4P fighter in the world right now. Every one of his fights is an event and all you dumbass detractors tune in so just accept the fact that we are watching an all time great demolish everything in his path in a time where athletes are bigger, stronger and faster than ever before. What we are seeing from this kid is epic and if you can't see that, you should tune into UFC instead where they explain things in better detail so you can follow along.

caldo2025 wrote:Ridiculous OP and getting old now. I WISH that all of boxing coveted these world title belts like GGG and Kovalev do. The goal for both guys is to own all of the belts in their division so what's wrong with that? Remember when Undisputed Champion meant something back in the day? Now they come up with imaginary terms like "Lineal Champion" which is the dumbest thing i've ever heard. The man beat the man? That dumb shiit is how you end up with Miguel Cotto as Middleweight Lineal Champion because he beats one over the hill guy with no knees taking his last lap.

GGG doesn't have to move up in weight to be my #1 P4P fighter in the world right now. Every one of his fights is an event and all you dumbass detractors tune in so just accept the fact that we are watching an all time great demolish everything in his path in a time where athletes are bigger, stronger and faster than ever before. What we are seeing from this kid is epic and if you can't see that, you should tune into UFC instead where they explain things in better detail so you can follow along.

You got it twisted.

We all know GGG is a phenomenon. If anyone has gotten that idea from me, consider this a correction.

But, I consider myself more of a GGG fan than some of his fanboys.

Why?

Because I see potential greatness and I want him to actually achieve it!

I want him to make good on the challenges he himself has voiced.

And the day he does that, yes, there will be NO WAY ANYONE can dispute the things that the "eye tests" already hint at...

...that we may very well be looking at a historic fighter.

But he has got to stop talking the talk and start walking the walk.

Why is a potential ATG fighting Willie Monroe when Lara has been challenging him for years?

Ward is out there now and wants the fight. GGG was just negotiating to fight Froch at the same weight. With Carl's retirement, why are we not hearing about this match- one that we ALL want to see?

Great champions seek out and fight the best that they can get in the ring with.

Granted, there are obstacles to the matches in his own division (mostly promotional conflicts).

But these other fights outside his weight, up or down, have been on the table for the longest.

All makeable, none made.

Folks can call him P4P this or that all they like...but it won't be true until he fights and defeats elite fighters, just like every top P4P guy before.

Are people not happy with GGG/Lemieux?

diddy wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

diddy wrote:GGG agreed to face Froch at 168.

But is demanding Ward meet him at 164.

http://www.BS.com/andre-ward-g ... ght--93803

Froch brings money. Ward doesn't.

What's a catchweight got to do with that?

Do I really need to explain ? Don't pretend you've never heard "A side" term.

Here is what one HONEST middleweight says about avoiding Golovkin:

http://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/il ... ders/44025?

Impractical Poster wrote:Are people not happy with GGG/Lemieux?

Its not signed yet.

koolkc107 wrote: You got it twisted.

We all know GGG is a phenomenon. If anyone has gotten that idea from me, consider this a correction.

But, I consider myself more of a GGG fan than some of his fanboys.

Why?

Because I see potential greatness and I want him to actually achieve it!

I want him to make good on the challenges he himself has voiced.

And the day he does that, yes, there will be NO WAY ANYONE can dispute the things that the "eye tests" already hint at...

...that we may very well be looking at a historic fighter.

But he has got to stop talking the talk and start walking the walk.

Why is a potential ATG fighting Willie Monroe when Lara has been challenging him for years?

Ward is out there now and wants the fight. GGG was just negotiating to fight Froch at the same weight. With Carl's retirement, why are we not hearing about this match- one that we ALL want to see?

Great champions seek out and fight the best that they can get in the ring with.

Granted, there are obstacles to the matches in his own division (mostly promotional conflicts).

But these other fights outside his weight, up or down, have been on the table for the longest.

All makeable, none made.

Folks can call him P4P this or that all they like...but it won't be true until he fights and defeats elite fighters, just like every top P4P guy before.

This rational makes a little more sense to me but the Middleweight Division is a very difficult weight class to travel up or down from. I can't think of ANY of the great Middleweights in their prime purposely fighting outside of their division. Couple that with the fact that no rational person should expect a Middleweight to make the jump up to Super Middleweight and taking on the #1 ranked boxer there. Usually fighters need to get their feet wet a little and get used to the division. It's one thing for someone like Cotto to jump up to fight Sergio, it's an epic leap for GGG to jump up and fight Ward or even up to light heavy to fight Kovalev. I don't think those fights are smart to take for a boxer unless he's outgrown his division weight wise. I haven't heard anything about GGG having issues meeting the weight limit.

I think if anything, GGG's best move is to meet the winner of the Cotto/Canelo fight at a catchweight, perhaps 155lbs. GGG's seems more on the smaller side than the bigger side.

I don't know, man. I understand that people want to see this kid challenged or at least give us a clear measuring stick on just how good he is. Plus, he's NOT young and the window is going to start closing quickly at this stage in his 30s. It just bugs me that he has to face criticism after leaving his door wide open now for years taking on all challenges at his weight class. He's been avoided by everyone so why should he now assume all the risk? I personally don't think a Ward or Kovalev fight is marinated enough yet and I think those will happen but i'll still watch this guy knock the heck out of anyone 3 times a year because each of his fights is becoming must see TV.

I personally think that a Lemieux/GGG fight will be a blockbuster and sure fire FOY candidate. I'd rather see that one right now then any other.