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jezzamundo wrote:

Freedom2013 wrote:Fury hasn't fought anyone Klitschko's size - pretty much all his opponents have been small HWs. His best win is Chisora, who was KOed cold by Haye.

I don't think Fury is 6'9". He actually looks about 6'7.5" when he stands next to Klitschko, who is about 6'6". So there's not that much of a size difference.

Fury looks soft-bodied and middle-aged, although he's 13 years younger than Klitschko. I think he's indimidated by Klitschko, his nasty trash-talk indicates feelings of inferiority and shows his mental weakness.

Fury will try to fight dirty like he did against Cunningham, but it won't work against a man who is very strong and closer to his own size.

I think Wladimir will win by KO.

That's what I thought (about Fury's height) when seeing them face off, although maybe Klitschko has better posture. Fury has never looked like an athlete and has always had some flab, but he is arguably the better conditioned of the two (in terms of stamina), despite looking far from it. I agree that Fury lacks experience against good, big heavyweights and he really should have more experience against big guys before taking on Wlad. If he had a win over a fighter like Wach or Helenius under his belt, I would rate his chances higher. I don't care much for the trash talk, Wlad is certainly the classier guy, but I'll be hoping for the upset because I think Fury is the more entertaining fighter.

Fury is better conditioned than Wlad? Really?
In terms of legacy and the quality of boxing, if Wlad loses to Fury it'd be a shame for me.

RandomUsername wrote:I think that you have to be pretty blind not to see that this is probably Wlads last fight as a HW champion. It's this whole follow the leader no matter how badly he sucks mentality. Wlad really has a very slim chance of winning this one. Wlad isn't a 260 pound RJJr or anything of the sort as a matter of fact Wlad really isn't much better than many of his challangers throughout the years. Wlad wasn't better than Haye, Chambers, Povetkin or Byrd for that matter no he was just bigger.

If Wlad wants to win this one then there are only two real options 1. Catch Fury early and catch him well. 2. Box some kind of a masterclass. Hugging Wlad obviously doesn't have the stamina or skills to box any kind of masterclass VS Fury, VS someone like Wach sure he could do it but who wouldn't be able to do that VS someone thats basically a human punching bag? There is the possibility that Fury will start showboating but Fury probably knows that it could be his downfall and why bother with it anyways if he can just score a knockout instead? Knocking Wlad out will be a hell of a lot more impressive than doing some silly showboating like a clown.

I miss the old trolls. They were at least funny along with ridiculous.

Wait...you're being serious?

"This Klit is getting licked on Oct 24th!"
-Tyson Fury

I've been laughing about this since I saw the press conference yesterday. What a gem. How is he going to top that one in the next 3 months?

chucktaylor wrote:"This Klit is getting licked on Oct 24th!"
-Tyson Fury

I've been laughing about this since I saw the press conference yesterday. What a gem. How is he going to top that one in the next 3 months?

I don't think he can

RandomUsername wrote:

punchoutsb wrote: I miss the old trolls. They were at least funny along with ridiculous.

I should report you for this. Calling someone a troll is disruptive to the discussion. But yes, more power to you. Call everyone that has an opinion that isn't the same as yours a troll.

For the record I don't think that Fury beating Wlad is any special accomplishment. Fury isn't really better than Wlad, he's bigger, he's got better stamina, younger and probably has a better chin but better? The two are pretty comparable really but I'd give the nod to Wlad in terms of who's better but just being a little bit more skilled than your opponent won't win you every fight.

Report away

While you're at it, report yourself for making these ridiculous comments.

I will be shocked if Wlad loses to Fury. It's not that I don't think Fury has a chance, its just that Wlad does everything better than Fury, despite the age difference. Wlad is a proven, great heavyweight champion. Fury is one of those guys that may be great, but who knows? He has showed he is vulnerable in the past, but has also showed grit and heart.

The size imo will bother Fury more than Wlad, as Fury tends to use his height as an advantage via shielding the other guys eyes while he punches like in the Cunningham fight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeTe1x7zKoI Fury also got knocked on his ass by the much smaller Cunningham.

So many people hate on Wlad because of his style, but he is the best heavy, by far right now. 39 yrs old? Yes, his time is short, but you have to give him credit for taking on all top guys for years now whether you like his jab and grab style or not. Anytime you step in with any heavy, you can get KO'd.

Badhusker wrote:I will be shocked if Wlad loses to Fury. It's not that I don't think Fury has a chance, its just that Wlad does everything better than Fury, despite the age difference. Wlad is a proven, great heavyweight champion. Fury is one of those guys that may be great, but who knows? He has showed he is vulnerable in the past, but has also showed grit and heart.

The size imo will bother Fury more than Wlad, as Fury tends to use his height as an advantage via shielding the other guys eyes while he punches like in the Cunningham fight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeTe1x7zKoI Fury also got knocked on his ass by the much smaller Cunningham.

So many people hate on Wlad because of his style, but he is the best heavy, by far right now. 39 yrs old? Yes, his time is short, but you have to give him credit for taking on all top guys for years now whether you like his jab and grab style or not. Anytime you step in with any heavy, you can get KO'd.

I disagree with the point in bold. Wlad is by far the harder puncher of the two, is more disciplined defensively and I would say mentally stronger too. He definitely has the better jab too, which could be a deciding factor. Both have fairly shaky chins, but given the power deficit, this is more of a problem for Fury than Wlad.

On the other hand, Fury has a full array of punches, whereas Wlad really only throws three - jab, cross, left hook. Both have quite fast hands and fast feet for men of their size. Fury also has a more well-developed inside game, he can throw combinations on the inside, while Wlad just clinches, which is an effective strategy, but probably won't work as well against a bigger man.

I don't see Fury bombing Wlad out early, while I could definitely see the same result in reverse. It's against his nature, but I actually think that because of the power deficit, it would favour Wlad if they started brawling and trading punches. Tony Thompson gave Wlad troubles with his size and southpaw stance, which I could see Fury replicating, although Fury is bigger and faster of hand and foot than Thompson, so I could actually see him outboxing Wlad to win a decision, provided the judges treat him fairly.

Has Wlad ever been outboxed for a sustained period? What is the most uncomfortable he's looked when he wasn't being pushed back?

Thompson did have some success in their first fight, though he was still clearly well behind, but if I recall correctly he was fighting mainly with awkward charges and when he had success I wouldn't say it was a matter of him outboxing Wlad.

I suppose that Wlad hasn't had a fighter as long as Fury attempt to outbox from distance, so he could find it tough to adjust (just as Fury may find it hard to outbox someone who isn't a short plodder), but I also wonder if he'll be comfortable because he's not being driven back and put in the situation that has tended to cause the most serious trouble for him. No doubt Fury is the better of the two inside, but will he look to close the distance?

Does this chap Fury really have a good chance in this fight? I try very hard to avoid every Klitschko fight because it's the most frustrating sporting event to watch. I'd rather watch a 0-0 tie in a soccer match between Jamaica and Portugal and i hate soccer. I got suckered into the Haye-Klit fight because I thought that anyone talking the crap Haye was must be good. Worst fight ever.

So now we have another loud mouthed Brit trying to be Ali and it's freaking got me intrigued. I have no idea how good this Fury cat is so could someone, without an agenda, please give it to me straight on this one? Does Fury really have a chance in this one or is it just another Brit with a big mouth and an inflated record looking to cash a check?

Boxing is so lame right now, i would love to be excited about one upcoming fight at least.

I'm picking Wlad. However, Fury is a very live dog. He is taller than Wlad, and has improved a lot since a couple years ago. I think his jab may bother Wlad a bit. Won't be surprised to see Fury take it. This is a heavyweight fight and it really only takes one shot from either of these guys to determine the outcome.

I certainly don't have an agenda, but I think Fury does have a chance of licking the Klit (sorry, couldn't resist repeating ).

That said, he has three big things counting against him: resume/experience, defense, chin. In combination, these three things make him a deserving underdog. He has recently looked dominant in beating Dereck Chisora (far more convincingly than Vitali did) a Christian Hammer, but he has never faced anyone as big as Wlad who possesses anything like Wlad's skill-set.

I think Fury's size alone makes this an intriguing matchup. Had the fight occurred a couple of years ago I would have given Fury no chance, but he has improved a lot to the extent that I think he has a better chance of beating Wlad than any other heavyweight right now. All that said, it wouldn't surprise me if Wlad knocks him out in the first round.

Fury is definitely more exciting, and even if he wins his title will only last as long as he can stay away from Wilder or Joshua. For some reason I think he beats the other top guys, including Povetkin.

The verbal thrashing he gave Wlad was too funny. It may piss Wlad off enough to punish him, or take Wlad out of his game. It will be a good one to watch.

I'd make Fury favourite over both Wilder and Joshua at this stage - can't really tell how good Joshua is until he steps up.

jezzamundo wrote:I'd make Fury favourite over both Wilder and Joshua at this stage - can't really tell how good Joshua is until he steps up.

I hope Joshua is as good as people THINK he is.But right now I would pick also pick Fury to beat him.
When Joshua steps up a good few notches from the guys he has been fighting.I might change my mind.

tiny_acres wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:I'd make Fury favourite over both Wilder and Joshua at this stage - can't really tell how good Joshua is until he steps up.

I hope Joshua is as good as people THINK he is.But right now I would pick also pick Fury to beat him.
When Joshua steps up a good few notches from the guys he has been fighting.I might change my mind.

If he IS as good as I think he might be - then I think he'd smash Fury to buggeration and back.

We can't be sure however.

RandomUsername wrote:I think that you have to be pretty blind not to see that this is probably Wlads last fight as a HW champion. It's this whole follow the leader no matter how badly he sucks mentality. Wlad really has a very slim chance of winning this one. Wlad isn't a 260 pound RJJr or anything of the sort as a matter of fact Wlad really isn't much better than many of his challangers throughout the years. Wlad wasn't better than Haye, Chambers, Povetkin or Byrd for that matter no he was just bigger.

If Wlad wants to win this one then there are only two real options 1. Catch Fury early and catch him well. 2. Box some kind of a masterclass. Hugging Wlad obviously doesn't have the stamina or skills to box any kind of masterclass VS Fury, VS someone like Wach sure he could do it but who wouldn't be able to do that VS someone thats basically a human punching bag? There is the possibility that Fury will start showboating but Fury probably knows that it could be his downfall and why bother with it anyways if he can just score a knockout instead? Knocking Wlad out will be a hell of a lot more impressive than doing some silly showboating like a clown.

You should win a prize.

RandomUsername wrote:
Who's the ridiculous troll now?

Well, which one of us sat by the computer since July 22 waiting to bump this thread? Sad mate, very sad.

And we both know which aspect of your post was the troll.

Carry on.

Fury is definitely not 6'9 . . like most heavyweights his height is exaggerated by a couple of inches. Wlad is 6'6; Fury is 6'7 at most, he looked less than an inch taller.

RandomUsername wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

RandomUsername wrote:
Who's the ridiculous troll now?

Well, which one of us sat by the computer since July 22 waiting to bump this thread? Sad mate, very sad.

And we both know which aspect of your post was the troll.

Carry on.

Reviewing my answer I'm not finding any attempts from me to "troll". And yes its very sad that Ive had other things to do than educate the people of this forum with my input these last few months just as its very sad that I remembered your disruptive accusations of trolling after this fight had taken place. Check out the other threads here on this forum, there you can find plenty of people writing things that you dont agree with, they're trolls and they need to be reminded of that fact.

Well at least you're right that there are lots of trolls here. But it's just a forum man, don't let it weigh so heavily on you

Fury post fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZSmHzcAEw0

Carlos Danger wrote:Fury post fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZSmHzcAEw0

I like this one too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJWG-FEbgO8

Fury is a funny guy and doesn't reek of artificiality like David Haye or Anthony Joshua.

crusader wrote:

Carlos Danger wrote:Fury post fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZSmHzcAEw0

I like this one too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJWG-FEbgO8

Fury is a funny guy and doesn't reek of artificiality like David Haye or Anthony Joshua.

OMG wear some socks next time. What'd he do, wrap his feet in sandpaper before entering the ring?

RandomUsername wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
Well at least you're right that there are lots of trolls here. But it's just a forum man, don't let it weigh so heavily on you

At least I was right about that yes :)

Who's the troll?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... e+Trolling

Reverse Trolling

"When someone of little or no intelligence on the internet gets into a discussion, debate, or argument that they cannot keep up with because of their inability to think and process information outside of their closed little mind, and respond by calling the other person more intelligent than them (A TROLL)! This act is therefore TROLLING because it's a cop out to an intelligent conversation by which the one more intelligent is falsely accused of being a troll as a trolling diversion tactic of the Reverse Trolling which is always done by stupid trolls. Also, to call someone a Troll when they are Not A Troll."

You are!

Keep making those 1.41 posts per day, they're probably very useful.

You are WAAAY to into this my friend. Time to step away, methinks...

I'll humor you quickly; we had no discussion. You said Wlad wasn't as good as his opponents, only bigger. If that's the "intelligent" information you brought forth, have at it my good man. Pat yourself on the back all you need to, just don't look too closely at the facts.

If it helps you let go of the past, feel free to call me a troll. I promise I won't seethe over it for four months like you have.

RandomUsername wrote: If Michael Grant were to defeat Floyd Mayweather by first round Ko would that mean that Michael Grant is a far better boxer than Floyd?

This is the result of four months of deliberation?

OK, I concede you this point; you may take away credit from Wlad for anyone he beat that he was 11 inches taller than and weighed 100 pounds more than.

Great point