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Tuan_Jim wrote:I see Boxbuzz/kalan is not going away. What a shame for the grand old BOTP forum. It had a good run.

Tuan We don't see enough of you here.....please feel free to join the discussion....if you don't like my humor...just don't read my contributions.

And if you think Kalan and I are the same person...please enjoy your fun fantasy....in my opinion it is harmless and benign...and it seems to delight you.

My guess is you are probably in need of some good times. Don't think you've ever done a thing to annoy me.....but I've got a pretty tough hide.

And fussing about a fictitious scenario is certainly Better than being grumpy and rude. I even think I've seen you chime in where you've had some pretty respectable content.

Although I've been known to wear rose colored glasses.

These sound like two mismatches to me.

Leon was the bigger brother, but he was also less talented; he doesn't go past 6 rounds.

Michael was smaller, but much more gifted, but Smokin' Joe did not respect LHWs & would barrel his way through Michael.

Michael would probably have lasted longer by virtue of his awkwardness & as long as he wasn't petrified, he might just make it to round 8.

Joe Frazier KO'd Bob Foster in 2 rounds.

BoxBuzz wrote:
Both Spinks brothers would defeat Joe. 10 out of 10 times. I believe it wholeheartedly and with high confidence.

What is your betting record on real fights that actually took place in the real world?

Sidney Carton wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:
Both Spinks brothers would defeat Joe. 10 out of 10 times. I believe it wholeheartedly and with high confidence.

What is your betting record on real fights that actually took place in the real world?

Very good actually....however in this case...I am being an English professor, and taking the title just as it is stated. With the caveat that it does not happen at night, which are the parameters that the original poster stated.

BoxBuzz wrote:

Sidney Carton wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:
Both Spinks brothers would defeat Joe. 10 out of 10 times. I believe it wholeheartedly and with high confidence.

What is your betting record on real fights that actually took place in the real world?

Very good actually....however in this case...I am being an English professor, and taking the title just as it is stated. With the caveat that it does not happen at night, which are the parameters that the original poster stated.

You didn't answer my question.

Sidney Carton wrote:Joe Frazier KO'd Bob Foster in 2 rounds.

Good point.

Bob Foster was one of the most fearsome LHWs in history, yet Smokin' Joe had no respect for him & just tore him up.

LHWs against Frazier are not a good matchups.

Sidney Carton wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:

Sidney Carton wrote: What is your betting record on real fights that actually took place in the real world?

Very good actually....however in this case...I am being an English professor, and taking the title just as it is stated. With the caveat that it does not happen at night, which are the parameters that the original poster stated.

You didn't answer my question.

I certainly did.......

Hey Sidney what is it about "Very good actually" that you don't understand? How specific do you want me to be? Give amounts, dates percentages?

Are you sure you asked the right question? Cuz that's the answer to that question. Now....if you'd like to ask another....fire away.

Leon vs Frazier in 1977 would be a tough fight to call.

Leon's best (1978) vs Frazier's best (1968-1971) no contest All Joe Frazier

Tony1244 wrote:Leon vs Frazier in 1977 would be a tough fight to call.

Leon's best (1978) vs Frazier's best (1968-1971) no contest All Joe Frazier

It's staggering to think that Leon was at his best after a mere 8 fights.

What a waste of a career.

Leon's must be the only time where winning the world HW title was the worst thing that could happen to a fighter.

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Tony1244 wrote:Leon vs Frazier in 1977 would be a tough fight to call.

Leon's best (1978) vs Frazier's best (1968-1971) no contest All Joe Frazier

It's staggering to think that Leon was at his best after a mere 8 fights.

What a waste of a career.

Leon's must be the only time where winning the world HW title was the worst thing that could happen to a fighter.

Leon partied like a comedian or rock star. It wasn't like sneaking a drink or smoke at night, it was constant.

golden oldie wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:I see Boxbuzz/kalan is not going away. What a shame for the grand old BOTP forum. It had a good run.

Tuan We don't see enough of you here.....please feel free to join the discussion....if you don't like my humor...just don't read my contributions.

And if you think Kalan and I are the same person...please enjoy your fun fantasy....in my opinion it is harmless and benign...and it seems to delight you.

My guess is you are probably in need of some good times. Don't think you've ever done a thing to annoy me.....but I've got a pretty tough hide.

And fussing about a fictitious scenario is certainly Better than being grumpy and rude. I even think I've seen you chime in where you've had some pretty respectable content.

Although I've been known to wear rose colored glasses.

When you are trying to be a patronising smartass, it help if you get the correct vernacular. Otherwise it can be a case of egg on face. I think you will find the ENGLISH reference is " rose tinted glasses " I have no interest at all in any American alternatives.

Well, I was trying to make that saying "great again". So I was running with the improved Americanized vernacular.

By the way...for the driest of the dry among you...Joe would likely mop the floor with either of them. Prime vs Prime.

And I was speaking to Joe Facing both of them at once....in the daytime. ( Because I read the original post and wanted to show just how remarkably clever I can be.)

Leon was beyond being just a guy who partied....sometimes Leon WAS the party. He came into the club I played at in Hazelwood Mo next to the airport on several occasions.

The man knew a good time....and was one of the most affable and happiest fellas you could ever hope to run into. His brother was a gentleman as well.

BoxBuzz wrote:By the way...for the driest of the dry among you...Joe would likely mop the floor with either of them. Prime vs Prime.

And I was speaking to Joe Facing both of them at once....in the daytime. ( Because I read the original post and wanted to show just how remarkably clever I can be.)

Leon was beyond being just a guy who partied....sometimes Leon WAS the party. He came into the club I played at in Hazelwood Mo next to the airport on several occasions.

The man knew a good time....and was one of the most affable and happiest fellas you could ever hope to run into. His brother was a gentleman as well.

Any Leon stories would be greatly appreciated.

Nothing English can be improved by being Americanized? Seriously?

Where to begin....perhaps boxing in general....followed by a discussion of the "House of Lords".

Now now you know better, if anyone cared to out those clowns and give them a reality show, The interest level in Trump and his antics would bottom out in a few nanoseconds.

World class oddities abound.....but it's tradition.....oh....and they never go away. Trumps only got about 38 more months. When the American system will self correct and put an equal clown of the opposite nature in to rectify the situation. It's Pocahontas's turn next. She'll put the Orange man right into prison and it will give new meaning to "Orange is the new Black" .....but then he'll come back and win four years later despite being housed in "Trump Prison Estates".

Hey wait a minute....you almost took me off the thread's theme here. The Spinks brothers would be a very good replacements for any TWO you might choose to swap out from the HOL's.

BoxBuzz wrote:Now now you know better, if anyone cared to out those clowns and give them a reality show, The interest level in Trump and his antics would bottom out in a few nanoseconds.

World class oddities abound.....but it's tradition.....oh....and they never go away. Trumps only got about 38 more months. When the American system will self correct and put an equal clown of the opposite nature in to rectify the situation. It's Pocahontas's turn next. She'll put the Orange man right into prison and it will give new meaning to "Orange is the new Black" .....but then he'll come back and win four years later despite being housed in "Trump Prison Estates".

Hey wait a minute....you almost took me off the thread's theme here. The Spinks brothers would be a very good replacements for any TWO you might choose to swap out from the HOL's.

This is a boxing site?

Sidney Carton wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:Now now you know better, if anyone cared to out those clowns and give them a reality show, The interest level in Trump and his antics would bottom out in a few nanoseconds.

World class oddities abound.....but it's tradition.....oh....and they never go away. Trumps only got about 38 more months. When the American system will self correct and put an equal clown of the opposite nature in to rectify the situation. It's Pocahontas's turn next. She'll put the Orange man right into prison and it will give new meaning to "Orange is the new Black" .....but then he'll come back and win four years later despite being housed in "Trump Prison Estates".

Hey wait a minute....you almost took me off the thread's theme here. The Spinks brothers would be a very good replacements for any TWO you might choose to swap out from the HOL's.

This is a boxing site?

lol....well no, it's a place where folks get a chance to judge each other on our weakest moments.

E.G. Tyson KO'd by Buster Douglas, Ali beaten by Leon Spinks, Joe Louis KO'd by Rocky Marciano, SRL beaten by Michael Nunn, Roberto Duran beaten by Vinnie P, and contributors wandering off topic. Feel free to feel good about yourself, and your 100% attention to focus, and never ever ever wavering from perfection. Hopefully YOU will be inspired to show the rest of us the way.

Thanks for reminding me of my overly eclectic ways. I appreciate the feedback, and will attempt to improve. (On behalf of all of us, who perform at an 89% efficiency level or less)

And Sidney, welcome!

Frazier could have beaten both on the same night, and probably would have put them both in traction. He absolutely annihilated Foster. I could only imagine that Philadelphia left hook on Michael.

This subject (?) has been exhausted.

Now it's time for

Joe Frazier vs the MARX BROTHERS

Sidney Carton wrote:This subject (?) has been exhausted.

Now it's time for

Joe Frazier vs the MARX BROTHERS

Look who drops by sporting his sense of humor after scolding others.

None of the Marx brothers were HW's, so if you are serious about this (and you are sober as a judge as I understand) then you have just sentenced Chico, Harpo, and Zeppo to their demise....Groucho would act as corner man, and be too smart to engage.

I honestly don't think that the Frazier-Spinks hypothetical is a farce. Michael had his way with Larry Holmes, and though I could see an outcome where Frazier plays the role of Tyson....it's not laughable that Michael could come off with a very competitive fight with Joe....I don't hold that hope for Leon, because he's going to step in....but Mike is more cautious than both Bob Foster and Leon, and has a better chin, and was a better ring general. Those wins over Larry (even if you discount the second one) are made from great ring craftsmanship, though Larry just about worked out the puzzle the second time around. If Michael can stay composed, and keep the incoming managed, over an entire 12 or 15 rounds, (cuz Joe aint slowin' down) then it could be a long night for both men.

golden oldie wrote:

Kalan wrote:Leon would get outpointed by Frazier over 15 rounds.. I'm talking about the Leon who beat Ali.. LS was fast, but too available to be hit and too green.

Michael was too big, tall, strong, with a solid physique -- and too good a boxer for Smokin' Joe... He beats Frazier up and knocks him out... Michael fought so intelligently and with such a high skill level it's hard to imagine he was related to Leon... Forget the Tyson fight. Michael's knees were history and he cashed out.. Michael came into the ring against Tyson with both knees bundled up tight..

What happens is boxers do squats with a barbell on their shoulders... and they'll skip rope on a wooden floor and do double and triple spins as they jump into the air... and some run on pavement instead of grass, a track, or a cross country running trail.. and they do other things that stress their knees.. You compensate with the other leg and pretty soon your other knee has problems.. When your knees reach a certain point you're done for good.

So are you claiming we have a mythical Spinks here, who trains on foam mattresses, in case his knees suffer? Is Joe allowed to do the same? Is Joe even allowed to lift weights, or does he not need to because he is a natural heavy, as opposed to a 175 pounder who WANTS to bulk up and fight at Heavy? I honestly marvel at some of the shite you post to try to justify your weird admiration of some fighters. If Spinks spent months and months in a gym lifting weights trying to bulk up to fight Heavies for bigger money, and he knees got shot, so what? F&&k him.

It would be like Tyson. Joe steaming across the ring with bad intentions in his mind, and Michael would sh!t it like he did against the other geezer.

Aah, hang on I might have missed out on your underlying point. Maybe you are going to tell us all that weight lifting turned Michael into George Foreman, and he is also going to turn Joe into a jack in the box.

No Portnoy.. Michael Spinks didn't train on foam rubber mattresses before he beat ATG Larry Holmes.. His knees were still good for Holmes, but he wasn't done adding size and strength and he continued to lift weights.. He would have done better concentrating on his upper body rather than do his legs in with barbell squats.. Strong legs wouldn't do work versus a 21-year-old Mike Tyson who was 218 pounds of iron-hard power..

Tyson was a short guy, but not small for Heavyweights of his era.. Frazier was both short AND small for a Heavyweight so the Michael Spinks who fought Holmes would have had a very good chance to stay with Joe and rip him with a variety of punches from every angle.. His hands were extremely fast -- and Frazier was very pokey and not much of an athlete... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPk2zl5s6xM

Bob Foster couldn't hold off Frazier. Despite Foster's very unusual punching power as a lightheavy, he couldn't hurt Frazier--- and he landed some of his best punches.

Spinks would be gone in one or two rounds, even if he got Butch Lewis' favorite stooge referee Larry Hazzard to work in tandem with him, as he did so many times.

golden oldie wrote:It gets better. Now you are claiming Joe Frazier was weak, on the basis of swimming in a completely unimportant television show. To keep Frazier off you need more than strong legs, you need a punch like Foreman, and neither Holmes or Spinks possessed one. The difference being Larry's chin would take Joe's shots, there is nothing to suggest Spinks' would.

The TV show was extremely important and had massive viewership.. As a result they held the SuperStars Competition for YEARS and YEARS.. Anthony Joshua was among the big overall winners and SuperStar Champions.. Frazier was about the worst athlete who ever competed in the event.. He did as poorly versus Foreman as Spinks did versus Tyson.. Spinks was done. His knees were shot and that's the ONLY fight he ever lost... Frazier lost 4 and drew 1.

"Bob Foster couldn't hold off Frazier"

As far as Bob Foster goes... Stringbean Bob NEVER achieved a Heavyweight frame... Skinny Bob never came close to 190 so he should have stayed away from Heavyweights altogether.. Michael Spinks mixed with big Heavyweights like Holmes, Cooney, and Steffen Tangstad -- whooping ass on all of them.

Kalan wrote:

golden oldie wrote:It gets better. Now you are claiming Joe Frazier was weak, on the basis of swimming in a completely unimportant television show. To keep Frazier off you need more than strong legs, you need a punch like Foreman, and neither Holmes or Spinks possessed one. The difference being Larry's chin would take Joe's shots, there is nothing to suggest Spinks' would.

The TV show was extremely important and had massive viewership.. As a result they held the SuperStars Competition for YEARS and YEARS.. Anthony Joshua was among the big overall winners and SuperStar Champions.. Frazier was about the worst athlete who ever competed in the event.. He did as poorly versus Foreman as Spinks did versus Tyson.. Spinks was done. His knees were shot and that's the ONLY fight he ever lost... Frazier lost 4 and drew 1.

"Bob Foster couldn't hold off Frazier"

As far as Bob Foster goes... Stringbean Bob NEVER achieved a Heavyweight frame... Skinny Bob never came close to 190 so he should have stayed away from Heavyweights altogether.. Michael Spinks mixed with big Heavyweights like Holmes, Cooney, and Steffen Tangstad -- whooping ass on all of them.

Spinks also fought Mike Tyson.

He lasted 91 seconds-- (that 91 seconds includes the ten count.)