British Top 30 P4P August 2015

[Horse]

Thanks for the explanation I've a feeling Terry will be really high in the list in the next 6 months.

Why? Who's Warren putting him in with next?

[Horse]

Lot of depth in British boxing currently

Yes, very deep.

[Andrew]

Horse really rates the Abraham fights....even moved Smith up after the convincing rematch loss.

I'd actually give Callum a decent chance of beating Abraham now but if he has another good 12 rounder before I'd be really confident in him.

[Horse]

Do any of these fights happen in the next 12 months?

Brook vs. Khan - It should do.
Frampton vs. Quigg - I'm hopeful.
Degale vs. Groves 2 - Quite likely.
McDonnell vs. Haskins 2 - Probably not.
Fury vs. Joshua - No.
Burns vs. Crolla/Mitchell - I really don't want to see Burns vs Mitchell II.
Afolabi vs. Bellew - Doubt it.
Murray vs. Smiths - Maybe.
Flanaghan vs. Matthews - Likely.

[Horse]

How is Paul Smith higher than Terry Flanagan and Kevin Micthell ? Smiths bests wins are Dodson and Quigley ( which was debatable) at domestic level and that was a few years ago.

Huge respect for the balls he shown against Abraham both fights but he did not get the win. In fact his brother should definitely be higher than him too as Rebrasses is better than any of his older brothers wins.

Paul Smith's ranking is not based on his wins. Beating Rebrasse is not as good as almost beating Abraham.

Flanagan only won his last fight due to an injury, so I didn't re-enter him very high up the rankings.

I don't rate Mitchell as highly as most and he just lost his last fight by stoppage.

Others for me McDonnell over quigg I would have Lee and Selby above Groves and Saunders above Bellew.

Quigg destroyed Martinez, whereas McDonnell won a very close decision against Kameda that I scored a draw. I give the edge to Quigg.

Selby didn't impress me that much in his last fight. Lee has struggled in his last 4 fights and has looked poor for significant periods throughout those fights.

Bellew edges out Saunders due to his world level experience.

[Fortynineandout]

How is Paul Smith higher than Terry Flanagan and Kevin Micthell ? Smiths bests wins are Dodson and Quigley ( which was debatable) at domestic level and that was a few years ago.

Huge respect for the balls he shown against Abraham both fights but he did not get the win. In fact his brother should definitely be higher than him too as Rebrasses is better than any of his older brothers wins.

Paul Smith's ranking is not based on his wins. Beating Rebrasse is not as good as almost beating Abraham.

Flanagan only won his last fight due to an injury, so I didn't re-enter him very high up the rankings.

I don't rate Mitchell as highly as most and he just lost his last fight by stoppage.

Others for me McDonnell over quigg I would have Lee and Selby above Groves and Saunders above Bellew.

Quigg destroyed Martinez, whereas McDonnell won a very close decision against Kameda that I scored a draw. I give the edge to Quigg.

Selby didn't impress me that much in his last fight. Lee has struggled in his last 4 fights and has looked poor for significant periods throughout those fights.

Bellew edges out Saunders due to his world level experience.

It certainly isn't based on smith wins - you would have to go back nearly six years for his best win against Quigley ( that too was far from impressive - home corner win ! )

Selby not impressive in his last fight ? I must have watched a completely different fight.

[expe]

Thanks for the explanation I've a feeling Terry will be really high in the list in the next 6 months.

Why? Who's Warren putting him in with next?

Fighting Derry October 10th, MEN Arena.

[Horse]

Horse really rates the Abraham fights....even moved Smith up after the convincing rematch loss.

The rematch wasn't a convincing win for Abraham. Abraham's performance in the rematch is vastly overrated.

It's like people are reading from the script they wrote before the rematch, or maybe I just don't like Abraham's style.

[Horse]

I'd actually give Callum a decent chance of beating Abraham now but if he has another good 12 rounder before I'd be really confident in him.

He'd have a decent chance, but could he take Abraham's power?

Callum has not been tested at a decent level yet. Rebrasse is not that great.

[Horse]

It certainly isn't based on smith wins - you would have to go back nearly six years for his best win against Quigley ( that too was far from impressive - home corner win ! )

Like I said: it isn't based on his wins.

Selby not impressive in his last fight ? I must have watched a completely different fight.

Yes, I thought a lot of people were seeing something that I wasn't.

I don't rate him.

[Horse]

Fighting Derry October 10th, MEN Arena.

It's a good fight, but I'd rather have Derry fight Barroso instead.

[danamba7]

Lot of depth in British boxing currently

Yeah exciting times.

Good list Horse.

[keithmoonhangover]

Horse really rates the Abraham fights....even moved Smith up after the convincing rematch loss.

That is bonkers.

[Horse]

Yeah exciting times.

Good list Horse.

[keithmoonhangover]

1. (2.) Kell Brook
2. (3.) Carl Frampton
3. (4.) Amir Khan
4. (5.) James DeGale
5. (13.) Scott Quigg
6. (6.) Jamie McDonnell
7. (7.) Tyson Fury
8. (8.) George Groves
9. (9.) Lee Selby
10. (10.) Andy Lee (Irish)

11. (11.) Martin Murray
12. (12.) Lee Haskins
13. (14.) Ola Afolabi
14. (15.) Ricky Burns
15. (16.) Tony Bellew
16. (17.) Billy Joe Saunders
17. (18.) Liam Walsh
18. (19.) Dereck Chisora
19. (20.) Stuart Hall
20. (21.) Paul Butler

21. (22.) Chris Eubank Jr
22. (28.) Anthony Crolla
23. (23.) Paul Smith
24. (24.) Kevin Mitchell
25. (25.) Callum Smith
26. (RE.) Terry Flanagan
27. (26.) Frankie Gavin
28. (27.) Derry Mathews
29. (29.) Anthony Joshua
30. (30.) Ovill McKenzie

Out - (1.) Carl Froch

Why is Groves ahead of Andy Lee?

[taffytoon]

And Lee Selby His list is tihs

[crusader]

Horse really rates the Abraham fights....even moved Smith up after the convincing rematch loss.

The rematch wasn't a convincing win for Abraham. Abraham's performance in the rematch is vastly overrated.

It's like people are reading from the script they wrote before the rematch, or maybe I just don't like Abraham's style.

We saw the fight very differently. I thought it was a fairly wide win for Abraham and Smith never looked in it to me, with his performance being comparable to those given by other AA opponents like Shihepo, Sjekloca, and Wilczewski.

I agree with your decision to elevate Smith after the first fight despite the loss, but in my view it was a poor move to do it again based on his rematch showing.

[Horse]

We saw the fight very differently. I thought it was a fairly wide win for Abraham and Smith never looked in it to me, with his performance being comparable to those given by other AA opponents like Shihepo, Sjekloca, and Wilczewski.

I agree with your decision to elevate Smith after the first fight despite the loss, but in my view it was a poor move to do it again based on his rematch showing.

Like you said we saw it differently.

I didn't think Abraham was that great in the rematch, but I don't claim to have the majority opinion regarding this issue.

I rate based on my honest opinion, even if my honest opinion makes me look like a clueless moron.

[johnswan1]

The list isn't bad, but for me Paul Smith and Bellew are both too high. The most notable omission is Clev while Luke Campbell should be pushing his way through soon too. I would put both of those guys in ahead of Smith.