Re: British Top 30 P4P August 2015
Posted: 02 Aug 2015, 17:08
Why? Who's Warren putting him in with next?palooka wrote:Thanks for the explanationI've a feeling Terry will be really high in the list in the next 6 months.
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Re: British Top 30 P4P August 2015
Posted: 02 Aug 2015, 17:09
Yes, very deep.dr_devious wrote:Lot of depth in British boxing currently
Re: British Top 30 P4P August 2015
Posted: 02 Aug 2015, 17:11
I'd actually give Callum a decent chance of beating Abraham now but if he has another good 12 rounder before I'd be really confident in him.crusader wrote:Horse really rates the Abraham fights....even moved Smith up after the convincing rematch loss.
Re: British Top 30 P4P August 2015
Posted: 02 Aug 2015, 17:14
Brook vs. Khan - It should do.wesshaw1985 wrote:Do any of these fights happen in the next 12 months?
Frampton vs. Quigg - I'm hopeful.
Degale vs. Groves 2 - Quite likely.
McDonnell vs. Haskins 2 - Probably not.
Fury vs. Joshua - No.
Burns vs. Crolla/Mitchell - I really don't want to see Burns vs Mitchell II.
Afolabi vs. Bellew - Doubt it.
Murray vs. Smiths - Maybe.
Flanaghan vs. Matthews - Likely.
Re: British Top 30 P4P August 2015
Posted: 02 Aug 2015, 17:24
Paul Smith's ranking is not based on his wins. Beating Rebrasse is not as good as almost beating Abraham.Naandrew wrote:How is Paul Smith higher than Terry Flanagan and Kevin Micthell ? Smiths bests wins are Dodson and Quigley ( which was debatable) at domestic level and that was a few years ago.
Huge respect for the balls he shown against Abraham both fights but he did not get the win. In fact his brother should definitely be higher than him too as Rebrasses is better than any of his older brothers wins.
Flanagan only won his last fight due to an injury, so I didn't re-enter him very high up the rankings.
I don't rate Mitchell as highly as most and he just lost his last fight by stoppage.
Quigg destroyed Martinez, whereas McDonnell won a very close decision against Kameda that I scored a draw. I give the edge to Quigg.Naandrew wrote:Others for me McDonnell over quigg I would have Lee and Selby above Groves and Saunders above Bellew.
Selby didn't impress me that much in his last fight. Lee has struggled in his last 4 fights and has looked poor for significant periods throughout those fights.
Bellew edges out Saunders due to his world level experience.
Re: British Top 30 P4P August 2015
Posted: 02 Aug 2015, 17:33
It certainly isn't based on smith wins - you would have to go back nearly six years for his best win against Quigley ( that too was far from impressive - home corner win ! )Horse wrote:Paul Smith's ranking is not based on his wins. Beating Rebrasse is not as good as almost beating Abraham.Naandrew wrote:How is Paul Smith higher than Terry Flanagan and Kevin Micthell ? Smiths bests wins are Dodson and Quigley ( which was debatable) at domestic level and that was a few years ago.
Huge respect for the balls he shown against Abraham both fights but he did not get the win. In fact his brother should definitely be higher than him too as Rebrasses is better than any of his older brothers wins.
Flanagan only won his last fight due to an injury, so I didn't re-enter him very high up the rankings.
I don't rate Mitchell as highly as most and he just lost his last fight by stoppage.
Quigg destroyed Martinez, whereas McDonnell won a very close decision against Kameda that I scored a draw. I give the edge to Quigg.Naandrew wrote:Others for me McDonnell over quigg I would have Lee and Selby above Groves and Saunders above Bellew.
Selby didn't impress me that much in his last fight. Lee has struggled in his last 4 fights and has looked poor for significant periods throughout those fights.
Bellew edges out Saunders due to his world level experience.
Selby not impressive in his last fight ? I must have watched a completely different fight.
Re: British Top 30 P4P August 2015
Posted: 02 Aug 2015, 17:39
Fighting Derry October 10th, MEN Arena.Horse wrote:Why? Who's Warren putting him in with next?palooka wrote:Thanks for the explanation
Re: British Top 30 P4P August 2015
Posted: 02 Aug 2015, 18:25
The rematch wasn't a convincing win for Abraham. Abraham's performance in the rematch is vastly overrated.crusader wrote:Horse really rates the Abraham fights....even moved Smith up after the convincing rematch loss.
It's like people are reading from the script they wrote before the rematch, or maybe I just don't like Abraham's style.
Re: British Top 30 P4P August 2015
Posted: 02 Aug 2015, 18:28
He'd have a decent chance, but could he take Abraham's power?Naandrew wrote:I'd actually give Callum a decent chance of beating Abraham now but if he has another good 12 rounder before I'd be really confident in him.
Callum has not been tested at a decent level yet. Rebrasse is not that great.
Re: British Top 30 P4P August 2015
Posted: 02 Aug 2015, 18:30
Like I said: it isn't based on his wins.Fortynineandout wrote:It certainly isn't based on smith wins - you would have to go back nearly six years for his best win against Quigley ( that too was far from impressive - home corner win ! )
Yes, I thought a lot of people were seeing something that I wasn't.Fortynineandout wrote:Selby not impressive in his last fight ? I must have watched a completely different fight.
I don't rate him.
Re: British Top 30 P4P August 2015
Posted: 02 Aug 2015, 18:33
It's a good fight, but I'd rather have Derry fight Barroso instead.expe wrote:Fighting Derry October 10th, MEN Arena.
Re: British Top 30 P4P August 2015
Posted: 03 Aug 2015, 09:39
Yeah exciting times.dr_devious wrote:Lot of depth in British boxing currently
Good list Horse.
Re: British Top 30 P4P August 2015
Posted: 03 Aug 2015, 09:59
That is bonkers.crusader wrote:Horse really rates the Abraham fights....even moved Smith up after the convincing rematch loss.
Re: British Top 30 P4P August 2015
Posted: 03 Aug 2015, 10:16
danamba7 wrote:Yeah exciting times.
Good list Horse.
Re: British Top 30 P4P August 2015
Posted: 03 Aug 2015, 10:21
Why is Groves ahead of Andy Lee?Horse wrote:1. (2.) Kell Brook
2. (3.) Carl Frampton
3. (4.) Amir Khan
4. (5.) James DeGale
5. (13.) Scott Quigg
6. (6.) Jamie McDonnell
7. (7.) Tyson Fury
8. (8.) George Groves
9. (9.) Lee Selby
10. (10.) Andy Lee (Irish)
11. (11.) Martin Murray
12. (12.) Lee Haskins
13. (14.) Ola Afolabi
14. (15.) Ricky Burns
15. (16.) Tony Bellew
16. (17.) Billy Joe Saunders
17. (18.) Liam Walsh
18. (19.) Dereck Chisora
19. (20.) Stuart Hall
20. (21.) Paul Butler
21. (22.) Chris Eubank Jr
22. (28.) Anthony Crolla
23. (23.) Paul Smith
24. (24.) Kevin Mitchell
25. (25.) Callum Smith
26. (RE.) Terry Flanagan
27. (26.) Frankie Gavin
28. (27.) Derry Mathews
29. (29.) Anthony Joshua
30. (30.) Ovill McKenzie
Out - (1.) Carl Froch
Re: British Top 30 P4P August 2015
Posted: 03 Aug 2015, 13:00
And Lee Selby 
His list is tihs 
His list is tihs Re: British Top 30 P4P August 2015
Posted: 03 Aug 2015, 18:14
We saw the fight very differently. I thought it was a fairly wide win for Abraham and Smith never looked in it to me, with his performance being comparable to those given by other AA opponents like Shihepo, Sjekloca, and Wilczewski.Horse wrote:The rematch wasn't a convincing win for Abraham. Abraham's performance in the rematch is vastly overrated.crusader wrote:Horse really rates the Abraham fights....even moved Smith up after the convincing rematch loss.
It's like people are reading from the script they wrote before the rematch, or maybe I just don't like Abraham's style.
I agree with your decision to elevate Smith after the first fight despite the loss, but in my view it was a poor move to do it again based on his rematch showing.
Re: British Top 30 P4P August 2015
Posted: 03 Aug 2015, 19:01
Like you said we saw it differently.crusader wrote:We saw the fight very differently. I thought it was a fairly wide win for Abraham and Smith never looked in it to me, with his performance being comparable to those given by other AA opponents like Shihepo, Sjekloca, and Wilczewski.
I agree with your decision to elevate Smith after the first fight despite the loss, but in my view it was a poor move to do it again based on his rematch showing.
I didn't think Abraham was that great in the rematch, but I don't claim to have the majority opinion regarding this issue.
I rate based on my honest opinion, even if my honest opinion makes me look like a clueless moron.
Re: British Top 30 P4P August 2015
Posted: 04 Aug 2015, 06:03
The list isn't bad, but for me Paul Smith and Bellew are both too high. The most notable omission is Clev while Luke Campbell should be pushing his way through soon too. I would put both of those guys in ahead of Smith.