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Re: James Toney loses to a 9-3-1
Posted: 14 Aug 2015, 18:23
by Cutman Scabbers
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Probably not - although I have noticed that with Holyfield, when he stopped fighting, his speech patterns improved quite significantly, but what is more worrying is that Toney's balance seems to have gone, something which never seemed to happen to Evander.
Still remember the absolute ass-whipping Toney gave Holyfield, I never saw anyone else whip Evander like that. It was a total and utter domination. In hindsight very impressive.
What punches did he stop Holyfield with? It's hard to see. Was it a body shot?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl50iVr25R8
Re: James Toney loses to a 9-3-1
Posted: 14 Aug 2015, 19:21
by hurricanemitch14
It was more Holyfield getting shit beat out of him all night than a single punch.
Re: James Toney loses to a 9-3-1
Posted: 14 Aug 2015, 21:09
by Grant
This has Jerry Quarry written all over it. At some stage a promotor must say enough.
We can do without another punchdrunk bum story in our sport
Re: James Toney loses to a 9-3-1
Posted: 15 Aug 2015, 08:03
by jamesmcdonnell
Cutman Scabbers wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:Probably not - although I have noticed that with Holyfield, when he stopped fighting, his speech patterns improved quite significantly, but what is more worrying is that Toney's balance seems to have gone, something which never seemed to happen to Evander.
Still remember the absolute ass-whipping Toney gave Holyfield, I never saw anyone else whip Evander like that. It was a total and utter domination. In hindsight very impressive.
What punches did he stop Holyfield with? It's hard to see. Was it a body shot?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl50iVr25R8
It was an accumulation from what I recall, but I think it was a bodyshot which finally did for him.
It's a bit of a forgotten gem that fight, Toney put on an absolute clinic that night, and totally dismantled Holyfield in a way that I never saw anybody else achieve.
Re: James Toney loses to a 9-3-1
Posted: 15 Aug 2015, 18:25
by Cutman Scabbers
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
It was an accumulation from what I recall, but I think it was a bodyshot which finally did for him.
It's a bit of a forgotten gem that fight, Toney put on an absolute clinic that night, and totally dismantled Holyfield in a way that I never saw anybody else achieve.
Thanks. I've watched the ending so many times -- it's hard to see what punch brought him to the canvas.
Re: James Toney loses to a 9-3-1
Posted: 15 Aug 2015, 22:48
by Like a Boss
keithmoonhangover wrote:Like a Boss wrote:Toney isn't a tragedy about to happen. I fear he is a tragedy already completed. His quality of life after retirement is something I don't even want to contemplate.
He's a convicted drugs cheat. Zero sympathy from me.
Taking performance enhancing drugs is cheating and I have no time for it. But I do feel sorry for boxers who end up brain damaged like James Toney.
Re: James Toney loses to a 9-3-1
Posted: 16 Aug 2015, 06:03
by keithmoonhangover
Like a Boss wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote:Like a Boss wrote:Toney isn't a tragedy about to happen. I fear he is a tragedy already completed. His quality of life after retirement is something I don't even want to contemplate.
He's a convicted drugs cheat. Zero sympathy from me.
Taking performance enhancing drugs is cheating and I have no time for it. But I do feel sorry for boxers who end up brain damaged like James Toney.
I feel more sorry for the people who's brain he damaged while on PEDs.
Re: James Toney loses to a 9-3-1
Posted: 16 Aug 2015, 06:36
by Like a Boss
keithmoonhangover wrote:Like a Boss wrote:keithmoonhangover wrote: He's a convicted drugs cheat. Zero sympathy from me.
Taking performance enhancing drugs is cheating and I have no time for it. But I do feel sorry for boxers who end up brain damaged like James Toney.
I feel more sorry for the people who's brain he damaged while on PEDs.
Fair point too.
Re: James Toney loses to a 9-3-1
Posted: 16 Aug 2015, 06:53
by jamesmcdonnell
I strongly suspect that the use of PEDs is absolutely rife in top level boxing, as it is in most other sports.
Re: James Toney loses to a 9-3-1
Posted: 16 Aug 2015, 07:37
by keithmoonhangover
jamesmcdonnell wrote:I strongly suspect that the use of PEDs is absolutely rife in top level boxing, as it is in most other sports.
I'm gonna agree. Before drug testing, I would imagine a lot of fighters took speed 20 mins before a fight.
Re: James Toney loses to a 9-3-1
Posted: 16 Aug 2015, 07:43
by jamesmcdonnell
keithmoonhangover wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:I strongly suspect that the use of PEDs is absolutely rife in top level boxing, as it is in most other sports.
I'm gonna agree. Before drug testing, I would imagine a lot of fighters took speed 20 mins before a fight.
With so much money at stake, it is almost inevitable that fighters will cheat, especially when they themselves know their rivals also are.