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IKSRTFO wrote:

Badhusker wrote:If Freddie Roach gets his way, Pac will fight Danny Garcia. Honestly I don't realistically see any Top Rank fighter sharing profits with an Al Haymon fighter, aside from Floyd vs Manny, which won't happen again. I suppose it (Garcia or even Khan) could happen if Arum drops his lawsuit against Haymon, but even that isn't likely.

Garcia still better than Mayweather vs Berto

Does every post of yours need to refer to Mayweather in some way, shape, or form? You are getting to be as bad as Khan.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

SenorPipino wrote:

SenorPipino wrote:Shocking.

A promoter actually using an aging fighter to make money. I thought all promoters simply protect and baby their stable, and would never dream of placing that fighter at risk. Why should they care about money? We all know that promoters are in the sport simply because they're humanitarians.

Caldo, if Arum is depicable human garbage, then that pretty much sums up every promoter who has ever crawled the face of the earth.

Both Arum and Pacquiao are wealthy partially because of the others' help.

No one is a bad guy here. It's what they do. Get real.

It's shocking that a promoter actually wants to put his top fighter in with wait.....a guy who could possibly beat him.

Not so much.

At this point, Arum knows that Pac's days as one of boxing's elite attractions is coming to a close, and he's turning his attention to the NEXT BIG THING.

What would put Crawford into the mainstream spotlight better than a victory over a legend like Pacquiao? Crawford could win his next 10 bouts by quick KO, but it wouldn't serve him as well hype-wise as one single victory over the iconic Pacquiao.

Manny might have been a name with hardcore fans, but he didn't become a true superstar until he pounded De La Hoya.
A win for Crawford over Pacquiao might have the same effect for him.

[/quote]Except that Arum hasn't said jack.

The only person jawing about it so far, are Crawford's trainer, and people on here.

Arum still stands to make WAYYYYY more money from Pacquaio than Crawford, so he's not going to bail just yet.

Manny was making plenty of money before he busted DLH up, he whacked Barrera and had 2 fights with Morales, one where stopped him, which made him a household name in SE Asia. It's erroneous to claim he wasn't a star before DLH.[/quote]








I noted that before the De La Hoya bout Pac was a name with "hardcore fans" but not yet a mainstream star until he retired the elite Oscar.

Sure, Pac earned plenty money before the DLH fight but nothing like what he made post-De La Hoya.
Remember, Pacquiao's fights against guys like Marquez, Barrerra and Morales only garnered between 300,000-400,000 PPV buys. Strictly purchases by the hardcore boxing fan.

It wan't until after ODLH that interest in him skyrocketed and he became a sports star to not just Filipino and Mexican boxing fans but to mainstream sports fans in general.

Manny needed to beat a legend to reach that peak and Crawford does too if he's going to join the ranks of boxing elites.

What is this garbage??

Pacquiao would smash Crawford. Arum isn't going to ruin Crawford like that.

Ricky_ wrote:

What is this garbage??

Pacquiao would smash Crawford. Arum isn't going to ruin Crawford like that.

Which probably explains the fact that Arum hasn't actually said a word about the two fighting.

This whole thread is a waste of space.

Perhaps in future Caldo, you might restrict yourself to commenting on things which have actually happened, or that there is at least a suggestion from one of the prime movers involved has suggested could happen.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:

What is this garbage??

Pacquiao would smash Crawford. Arum isn't going to ruin Crawford like that.

Which probably explains the fact that Arum hasn't actually said a word about the two fighting.

This whole thread is a waste of space.

Perhaps in future Caldo, you might restrict yourself to commenting on things which have actually happened, or that there is at least a suggestion from one of the prime movers involved has suggested could happen.

Actually, Arum has proposed this fight.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2015/06/aru ... t-rematch/

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:

What is this garbage??

Pacquiao would smash Crawford. Arum isn't going to ruin Crawford like that.

Which probably explains the fact that Arum hasn't actually said a word about the two fighting.

This whole thread is a waste of space.

Perhaps in future Caldo, you might restrict yourself to commenting on things which have actually happened, or that there is at least a suggestion from one of the prime movers involved has suggested could happen.

Perhaps Jimmy Irish, you should venture outside the Boxrec Site and check out some other sites. All you need to is type www.google.com first and then there's this space in the middle of the screen. You type some ideas or things that you have interest in and then enter and a bunch of stuff comes up, called news.

“He’s [Pacquiao] going to go right to an elite fighter,” Arum said to esnewsreporting about Pacquiao’s first fight after he comes back from his shoulder surgery next year. “I would rather him fight Terence Crawford. The money that was made in the last fight [against Mayweather], and a rematch wouldn’t do as well, but it would still do tremendous, bigger than any other fight. I think that if the Mayweather people want the rematch, we would be willing to do it,” Arum said.

Crawford's camp is talking about it. Their Promoter is talking about it. When did you want to discuss this one James Mcdonnell. I'll run some ideas by you in the future to make sure that it's timely enough for your liking. Or you could work on your Googling instead? Or you can just not click on a subject you don't like and you can just go do something else with your time.

Sounds like name dropping. Plugging an up and coming guy. Crawford is a lightweight. Plenty of options at 135 / 140.

I'd be surprised if Arum even risked him on Provo at this stage. He should perhaps consider Crawford vs Bradley late 2016.

caldo2025 wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:

What is this garbage??

Pacquiao would smash Crawford. Arum isn't going to ruin Crawford like that.

Which probably explains the fact that Arum hasn't actually said a word about the two fighting.

This whole thread is a waste of space.

Perhaps in future Caldo, you might restrict yourself to commenting on things which have actually happened, or that there is at least a suggestion from one of the prime movers involved has suggested could happen.

Perhaps Jimmy Irish, you should venture outside the Boxrec Site and check out some other sites. All you need to is type http://www.google.com first and then there's this space in the middle of the screen. You type some ideas or things that you have interest in and then enter and a bunch of stuff comes up, called news.

“He’s [Pacquiao] going to go right to an elite fighter,” Arum said to esnewsreporting about Pacquiao’s first fight after he comes back from his shoulder surgery next year. “I would rather him fight Terence Crawford. The money that was made in the last fight [against Mayweather], and a rematch wouldn’t do as well, but it would still do tremendous, bigger than any other fight. I think that if the Mayweather people want the rematch, we would be willing to do it,” Arum said.

Crawford's camp is talking about it. Their Promoter is talking about it. When did you want to discuss this one James Mcdonnell. I'll run some ideas by you in the future to make sure that it's timely enough for your liking. Or you could work on your Googling instead? Or you can just not click on a subject you don't like and you can just go do something else with your time.

Well, when you're wrong you're wrong.

However, I think the last sentence is far more revealing, it's the Mayweather fight he really wants. Crawford is really just a threat to Mayweather.

caldo2025 wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:

What is this garbage??

Pacquiao would smash Crawford. Arum isn't going to ruin Crawford like that.

Which probably explains the fact that Arum hasn't actually said a word about the two fighting.

This whole thread is a waste of space.

Perhaps in future Caldo, you might restrict yourself to commenting on things which have actually happened, or that there is at least a suggestion from one of the prime movers involved has suggested could happen.

Perhaps Jimmy Irish, you should venture outside the Boxrec Site and check out some other sites. All you need to is type http://www.google.com first and then there's this space in the middle of the screen. You type some ideas or things that you have interest in and then enter and a bunch of stuff comes up, called news.

“He’s [Pacquiao] going to go right to an elite fighter,” Arum said to esnewsreporting about Pacquiao’s first fight after he comes back from his shoulder surgery next year. “I would rather him fight Terence Crawford. The money that was made in the last fight [against Mayweather], and a rematch wouldn’t do as well, but it would still do tremendous, bigger than any other fight. I think that if the Mayweather people want the rematch, we would be willing to do it,” Arum said.

Crawford's camp is talking about it. Their Promoter is talking about it. When did you want to discuss this one James Mcdonnell. I'll run some ideas by you in the future to make sure that it's timely enough for your liking. Or you could work on your Googling instead? Or you can just not click on a subject you don't like and you can just go do something else with your time.

And yes, I am Irish.

Arum is great for fighters up to a certain point.
However, after a fighter "makes it", Top Rank is a burden.

It's crazy how people who are crazy about Manny hasn't figured this guy Arum out yet.

I wonder how much of Manny's purse from the Floyd fight went straight to Arum.
I'm sure the number is going to be ridiculous when we get the info a few years down the road.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Well, when you're wrong you're wrong.

This fight is on the table jackass, what else do you need to know? It's a boxing forum. Obviously people want to talk about it because there's been some great replies here. Go find something to do if you don't like the topic.

caldo2025 wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Well, when you're wrong you're wrong.

This fight is on the table jackass, what else do you need to know? It's a boxing forum. Obviously people want to talk about it because there's been some great replies here. Go find something to do if you don't like the topic.

I'm saying I'M WRONG you pillock.

However, as I said, I think the final sentence of his statement is the most telling, this is just him angling for the Mayweather rematch.

I doubt very much he would risk a fight for Crawford whilst there's any chance of a fight with Mayweather.

For what it's worth, I think Mayweather will give the rematch, and sail off into the sunset.

The fight has been mentioned in a statement designed to get Mayweather thinking, on the table, - well, not quite, not yet. I'll be surprised if it ever happens.

I also wouldn't rule out Pacquaio winning if it does. It's not like he's completely shot.

caldo2025 wrote:Bob Arum plays the roll of that nice Uncle you see every Christmas but if you want to see what the guy is really like, watch how he treats his greatest fighter ever at the end of his career.

We all saw the fight and we all witnessed a declining Manny in the twilight of his career. His footwork wasn't there, his hand speed was non existent and whatever power he had left, didn't make the trip to Vegas. Bob Arum has been riding the Manny Train for years and made more money with him than every other fighter in the Promoters 40 years of work. While most Good people would protect and nurture a person that has meant so much, Bob Arum is looking to see how much money he can extract from Manny's aging body. Most GOOD people would have a goal to protect this great fighters legacy and be extra careful about how this boxer exits the stage. Not Bob Arum. It's just the proof that this guy would sell his mother down the river if he could make a buck.

Not to mention that Terrance Crawfords star is on the rise and how do you think the public will view him after he destroys Manny like most people with a brain think he will. Bob doesn't care. It's all about the buck Bob and it seems everyone was right on when it comes to this despicable piece of garbage.

Freddie Roach said that Manny was still in his prime: http://www.BS.com/?m=show&opt= ... e&id=89550

“Manny is not as consistent maybe as he used to be, but his work ethic is still there and he still trains really hard. I don’t know that it’s as easy as it used to be for him. But his legs are still good. He hasn’t lost his step at all.”

So maybe Arum feels like Roach is telling the truth and he feels confident in Packy by matching him with someone he feels he can beat.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Well, when you're wrong you're wrong.

This fight is on the table jackass, what else do you need to know? It's a boxing forum. Obviously people want to talk about it because there's been some great replies here. Go find something to do if you don't like the topic.

I'm saying I'M WRONG you pillock.

However, as I said, I think the final sentence of his statement is the most telling, this is just him angling for the Mayweather rematch.

I doubt very much he would risk a fight for Crawford whilst there's any chance of a fight with Mayweather.

For what it's worth, I think Mayweather will give the rematch, and sail off into the sunset.

The fight has been mentioned in a statement designed to get Mayweather thinking, on the table, - well, not quite, not yet. I'll be surprised if it ever happens.

I also wouldn't rule out Pacquaio winning if it does. It's not like he's completely shot.

My bad bro. I'm not defensive? Why's it always the other person that's defensive? You've ever ask yourself that? Why don't you ask yourself that!?? LOL.

Apologies to the Mick.

KBB wrote:
“Manny is not as consistent maybe as he used to be, but his work ethic is still there and he still trains really hard. I don’t know that it’s as easy as it used to be for him. But his legs are still good. He hasn’t lost his step at all.”

So maybe Arum feels like Roach is telling the truth and he feels confident in Packy by matching him with someone he feels he can beat.

Manny's still got something don't get me wrong. He can still compete and i'm sure he's more than willing to step in there with anyone but his fastball is gonzo. We Manny fans hoped it would be found at the perfect time but his window is gone (feel free to insert the KBB Manny steroids accusations here).

This is just a prime example of Arum blowing out Manny's flame to make Crawford's brighter. I get it and i know it's business but can't a great boxer retire gracefully for once or do we have to once again see a mighty warrior get his ass handed to him before he goes and made to look the fool?

koolkc107 wrote:The OP may have a point.

But, I am not sure Bud can beat Pac.

I love Crawford and think his time is coming. But, even a diminished Manny is going to get to him quite often.

It wou be a horrible move on Arum's pary, IMO.

He'll wind up with his best chance at a future marquee guy taking perhaps a career ruining beating.

This post illustrates in detail what is wrong with boxing these days.

"A horrible move on Arum's part?" Do you wear panty hose?

Crawford v Pac would be great for Terence, Arum, Pac and the fans. Even if Crawford lost by getting Ktfo (very highly unlikely) he would become an instant top level star. If he won he would immediately be a ppv fixture.

I suppose that Tommy Hearns should have avoided SRL and Hagler? Those losses just decimated his career, right?

WRONG!!

Those losses cemented The Hitman's place in boxing lore.

Ali probably shouldn't have faced Liston so early in his career, by your line of thinking. He definitely shouldn't have participated in possibly the greatest fight in boxing history so soon after coming back, right? Heaven knows he could have had his head taken off by Big George in Zaire, right?

WRONG!!! All wrong.

Those are the fights that made him The Greatest, even though he lost one of them.

Your thinking is utterly backassward, just like the sport itself for the most part these days.

For omnipotent being's sake, someone is going to lose in Cotto v GingerHead, 3G v LeMieux, and LSC v Mares.

Meanwhile everyone loses in Ward v Periban, Wilder v Duhaupus and FMJ v His Buddy.

Why does boxing exist at all? Someone might lose, heaven forbid.

Big step up for Crawford.

Evander wrote:Big step up for Crawford.

Crawford is younger. Less wear and tear. Boxing Lifetime's are short. And Pacquiao is past his.

MachoTime wrote:

Evander wrote:Big step up for Crawford.

Crawford is younger. Less wear and tear. Boxing Lifetime's are short. And Pacquiao is past his.

Are you people serious about Crawford jumping from lightweight to welterweight and beating Pacquaio??

Maybe after Pac he can take the winner of Cotto vs Canelo?

MachoTime wrote:

Evander wrote:Big step up for Crawford.

Crawford is younger. Less wear and tear. Boxing Lifetime's are short. And Pacquiao is past his.

Yes, but even 80% of Pacman may well be enough.

Tanzio wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:The OP may have a point.

But, I am not sure Bud can beat Pac.

I love Crawford and think his time is coming. But, even a diminished Manny is going to get to him quite often.

It wou be a horrible move on Arum's pary, IMO.

He'll wind up with his best chance at a future marquee guy taking perhaps a career ruining beating.

This post illustrates in detail what is wrong with boxing these days.

"A horrible move on Arum's part?" Do you wear panty hose?

Crawford v Pac would be great for Terence, Arum, Pac and the fans. Even if Crawford lost by getting Ktfo (very highly unlikely) he would become an instant top level star. If he won he would immediately be a ppv fixture.

I suppose that Tommy Hearns should have avoided SRL and Hagler? Those losses just decimated his career, right?

WRONG!!

Those losses cemented The Hitman's place in boxing lore.

Ali probably shouldn't have faced Liston so early in his career, by your line of thinking. He definitely shouldn't have participated in possibly the greatest fight in boxing history so soon after coming back, right? Heaven knows he could have had his head taken off by Big George in Zaire, right?

WRONG!!! All wrong.

Those are the fights that made him The Greatest, even though he lost one of them.

Your thinking is utterly backassward, just like the sport itself for the most part these days.

For omnipotent being's sake, someone is going to lose in Cotto v GingerHead, 3G v LeMieux, and LSC v Mares.

Meanwhile everyone loses in Ward v Periban, Wilder v Duhaupus and FMJ v His Buddy.

Why does boxing exist at all? Someone might lose, heaven forbid.

In fairness Pacquaio is now in the twilight of his career, as is Mayweather - I don't think we can really admonish either of them too much if they don't take massive risks against fighters who are not marquee names at this stage.

Tommy was in his prime when he faced SRL and Hagler.

In his young prime, Pacquaio took plenty of risks, as did Mayweather.

I agree with the thrust of your argument, I just don't think it applies to this situation.

crossroads fight, I'd love it.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:The OP may have a point.

But, I am not sure Bud can beat Pac.

I love Crawford and think his time is coming. But, even a diminished Manny is going to get to him quite often.

It wou be a horrible move on Arum's pary, IMO.

He'll wind up with his best chance at a future marquee guy taking perhaps a career ruining beating.

This post illustrates in detail what is wrong with boxing these days.

"A horrible move on Arum's part?" Do you wear panty hose?

Crawford v Pac would be great for Terence, Arum, Pac and the fans. Even if Crawford lost by getting Ktfo (very highly unlikely) he would become an instant top level star. If he won he would immediately be a ppv fixture.

I suppose that Tommy Hearns should have avoided SRL and Hagler? Those losses just decimated his career, right?

WRONG!!

Those losses cemented The Hitman's place in boxing lore.

Ali probably shouldn't have faced Liston so early in his career, by your line of thinking. He definitely shouldn't have participated in possibly the greatest fight in boxing history so soon after coming back, right? Heaven knows he could have had his head taken off by Big George in Zaire, right?

WRONG!!! All wrong.

Those are the fights that made him The Greatest, even though he lost one of them.

Your thinking is utterly backassward, just like the sport itself for the most part these days.

For omnipotent being's sake, someone is going to lose in Cotto v GingerHead, 3G v LeMieux, and LSC v Mares.

Meanwhile everyone loses in Ward v Periban, Wilder v Duhaupus and FMJ v His Buddy.

Why does boxing exist at all? Someone might lose, heaven forbid.

In fairness Pacquaio is now in the twilight of his career, as is Mayweather - I don't think we can really admonish either of them too much if they don't take massive risks against fighters who are not marquee names at this stage.

Tommy was in his prime when he faced SRL and Hagler.

In his young prime, Pacquaio took plenty of risks, as did Mayweather.

I agree with the thrust of your argument, I just don't think it applies to this situation.

Genaro Hernandez gave Odlh and FMJ there shots.

Odlh, waaaaay past it, gave FMJ and Pac there boosts to super stardom.

A past it Hagler took on SRL.

While it is true that boxers stay too long often. If they don't pass the torch in the day and age of ppv super stardom, they are not leaving boxing in as good of shape as they found it.

If all FMJ and Pac are going to do is fight glorified, choreographed dance exhibitions against each other and their buddies on ppv, they should retire now because they are fvcking the sport and the fans.

caldo2025 wrote:Bob Arum plays the roll of that nice Uncle you see every Christmas but if you want to see what the guy is really like, watch how he treats his greatest fighter ever at the end of his career.

We all saw the fight and we all witnessed a declining Manny in the twilight of his career. His footwork wasn't there, his hand speed was non existent and whatever power he had left, didn't make the trip to Vegas. Bob Arum has been riding the Manny Train for years and made more money with him than every other fighter in the Promoters 40 years of work. While most Good people would protect and nurture a person that has meant so much, Bob Arum is looking to see how much money he can extract from Manny's aging body. Most GOOD people would have a goal to protect this great fighters legacy and be extra careful about how this boxer exits the stage. Not Bob Arum. It's just the proof that this guy would sell his mother down the river if he could make a buck.

Not to mention that Terrance Crawfords star is on the rise and how do you think the public will view him after he destroys Manny like most people with a brain think he will. Bob doesn't care. It's all about the buck Bob and it seems everyone was right on when it comes to this despicable piece of garbage.

have to agree. manny's final years could
turn ugly. definitely no need to feed him
to the new sharks.