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ikorolev wrote:Yes, Lemieux is definitely the best fight out there behind the Cotto/Canelo winner. If Lara wants to fight at 160, he needs to move up and win a belt.

Ward wants to fight at 168 ? Good for him, but he is too late, as Golovkin reached the level where he doesn't need Ward at this time. He has unification fights lined up AT HIS OWN WEIGHT. Ward will have to wait for a few months and demonstrate that he can still make 168 and beat somebody worth mentioning at that weight.

Obviously plenty of fighters are NOT ducking 3G.

I have always liked 3G. 3Gism is annoying. The same lame threads over and over with 3Gism parroting each other rivaling the Floydiot Nation.

I cant wait to here from certain folks how overrated lara was, should ggg and camp bow and face him, and then wack him out inside three...

Aaronide_ger wrote:If Golovkin beats Lemieux, Then goes on 2016 to Defeat Canelo Alvarez (I am not rulling out Cotto but a matchup with Canelo because of his Mexican fanbase would generate more Money and Fame for both of them) and Andy lee by KO to Unify the WHOLE division and become the first undisputed champion since Taylor, will you consider him HOF'er when he retires?

Also where would you rank him in the p4p rankings by then?

GGG has hall of fame ability, with several years left to go. He'll smash Lemiuex.

Butterbean wrote:I cant wait to here from certain folks how overrated lara was, should ggg and camp bow and face him, and then wack him out inside three...

3Gism in full bloom. Assuming a victory in absentia.

Tanzio wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Yes, Lemieux is definitely the best fight out there behind the Cotto/Canelo winner. If Lara wants to fight at 160, he needs to move up and win a belt.

Ward wants to fight at 168 ? Good for him, but he is too late, as Golovkin reached the level where he doesn't need Ward at this time. He has unification fights lined up AT HIS OWN WEIGHT. Ward will have to wait for a few months and demonstrate that he can still make 168 and beat somebody worth mentioning at that weight.

Obviously plenty of fighters are NOT ducking 3G.

I have always liked 3G. 3Gism is annoying. The same lame threads over and over with 3Gism parroting each other rivaling the Floydiot Nation.

Another hypocrit hater saying that he likes GGG. Of course, plenty of fighters are NOT ducking 3G. Only the ones who have titles or reputation to lose.

ikorolev wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Yes, Lemieux is definitely the best fight out there behind the Cotto/Canelo winner. If Lara wants to fight at 160, he needs to move up and win a belt.

Ward wants to fight at 168 ? Good for him, but he is too late, as Golovkin reached the level where he doesn't need Ward at this time. He has unification fights lined up AT HIS OWN WEIGHT. Ward will have to wait for a few months and demonstrate that he can still make 168 and beat somebody worth mentioning at that weight.

Obviously plenty of fighters are NOT ducking 3G.

I have always liked 3G. 3Gism is annoying. The same lame threads over and over with 3Gism parroting each other rivaling the Floydiot Nation.

Another hypocrit hater saying that he likes GGG. Of course, plenty of fighters are NOT ducking 3G. Only the ones who have titles or reputation to lose.

You mean like Lemieux? You are the one that said 3G has unification fights lined up, rationalizing why he isn't fighting Lara and Ward.

You literally sound like a Floydiot with your accusations of anyone not joining 3Gism as a hater and a hypocrite.

What a pathetic excrement.

You seem to be the most pathetic poster in this forum lately whining about everything in multiple threads. Have your menopause treated.

GGG beating Lemieux, Cotto or Canelo and Lee to become the undisputed MW champion would add up to 17 successful world title defences, probably 16 or 17 KOs, holding every major belt in the weight class and beating every top MW of his era. I'd say that's HOF worthy.

ikorolev wrote:You seem to be the most pathetic poster in this forum lately whining about everything in multiple threads. Have your menopause treated.

Classic Floydiot / 3Gism / Pacroid strategy; resort to personal attacks when your argument is turned on you.

Again, you are the one rationalizing 3Gs decision not to fight Lara and Ward by claiming he "has unification fights lined up." Not fight, "fights."

If that is true, who is ducking / afraid to fight 3G? Lemieux? Lara? Ward? Lee? Murray? Geale?

Btw, I am not ashamed of taking and defending the unpopular position. I still maintain that Ramming Speed defeated Pac in the first fight.

Besides, someone needs to stir this morgue up.

Tanzio wrote:

caldo2025 wrote: Anyone putting together a P4P list today that doesn't have GGG in one of the top 2 spots is either a hater or dumb.

Says Mr. Dumberer.

Who could argue with that reasoning. Dipshiit. You always post some real thinkers there dickhead.

athletic and skills wise he already is.

he has more punching power as hagler, is equaly as athletic as hagler, ggg is a monster, plain and simple. the best atg midds monzon, hagler, hopkins would have trouble with todays ggg. i am not saying that ggg would demolish them all, i respect the skills of x, the power of hagler, the all around quality of monzon, but prime ggg is some serious trouble for anybody. he is an atg.

good boxers like murray or macklin, who fought a super strong puncher like martinez said, they never felt something like ggg in the ring.

Aaronide_ger wrote:If Golovkin beats Lemieux, Then goes on 2016 to Defeat Canelo Alvarez (I am not rulling out Cotto but a matchup with Canelo because of his Mexican fanbase would generate more Money and Fame for both of them) and Andy lee by KO to Unify the WHOLE division and become the first undisputed champion since Taylor, will you consider him HOF'er when he retires?

Also where would you rank him in the p4p rankings by then?

The answer to this OP is no.

Doing all those things and unifying wont automatically mean the HOF.

No doubt Gennady could run this table and end up pretty high P4P. With no Floyd or Manny, only Ward would probably have an indisputable claim to being better.

But look at the name he cited as a precedent, Taylor. Anyone think Jermaine is a slam dunk for Canestota?

Clearly, GGG is going to have to do a little more...like actually beat an elite fighter in his prime from his own weight class or higher.

Just like all the other truly great fighters in boxing history have done.

caldo2025 wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

caldo2025 wrote: Anyone putting together a P4P list today that doesn't have GGG in one of the top 2 spots is either a hater or dumb.

Says Mr. Dumberer.

Who could argue with that reasoning. Dipshiit. You always post some real thinkers there dickhead.

No thought necessary for a statement as thoroughly ignorant as that, Mr. Dumberer.

Tanzio wrote: No thought necessary for a statement as thoroughly ignorant as that, Mr. Dumberer.

Let's see your top 5 P4P, Tanzio

No, he'd need to move up and beat Ward on top of those IMO.

Tanzio wrote:

caldo2025 wrote: Anyone putting together a P4P list today that doesn't have GGG in one of the top 2 spots is either a hater or dumb.

Says Mr. Dumberer.

GGG is my favourite active fighter and I'd currently have him around #7 in a p4p list. I guess that makes me dumb
He just hasn't yet faced the caliber of opposition required for a top 2 ranking.

Aaronide_ger wrote:If Golovkin beats Lemieux, Then goes on 2016 to Defeat Canelo Alvarez (I am not rulling out Cotto but a matchup with Canelo because of his Mexican fanbase would generate more Money and Fame for both of them) and Andy lee by KO to Unify the WHOLE division and become the first undisputed champion since Taylor, will you consider him HOF'er when he retires?

Also where would you rank him in the p4p rankings by then?

If Charlie Zelenoff beats Mayweather, Alvarez, Golovkin Ward, and Kovalev, would he be in the HoF? If Zack Page becomes the first undisputed heavyweight champion since Lennox Lewis, will he make the Hof? Take any boxer in the world, no matter how bad their record; if they then unified all five belts of a division one piece at a time, they would make the HoF. Putting Golovkin's name in the thread title is arbitrary if there is no indication that it's a likelihood of happening. By age 33, Golovkin only possesses 2 full world titles, so his progress is not really much further along than Erislandy Lara, and behind Sergey Kovalev.

I think a less speculative conversation would be: what are Golovkin's chances of making the hall of fame if he continues fighting 2-4 gatekeepers per year for as long as his prime lasts, which would be about 2.5 more years given averages? I think his odds of going undefeated against all of those gatekeepers is pretty decent, and then I think his chances of making the HoF are decent with a 22-0 record in world title fights including no scalps any better than Daniel Geale.

He already has a fight for another belt scheduled for October, and WBC mandates Cotto/Canelo winner to fight him immediately after their fight. So, what is so unrealistic in those ifs ???

Butterbean wrote:I cant wait to here from certain folks how overrated lara was, should ggg and camp bow and face him, and then wack him out inside three...

Lara is overrated whether or not he ever fights Golovkin. You will probably somehow take that statement to mean that Golovkin is a boxing God, even though Lara's overratedness has nothing to do with Golovkin. Lara's win over Carlos Molina was a robbery, he lost to Alvarez, and drew with Vanes Martirosyan. He is good, as evidenced by his win over Trout, but a lot of people act like he is some sort of God.

Lara, Alvarez, and Trout have basically traded triangular wins (Trout beat Alvarez, IMO). Lara looks worse than Bundrage based on their mutual results against Molina, but Lara looks better than Bundrage based on their mutual results against Ishe Smith; so Lara and Bundrage may be equals. Lara seems worse than Molina based on their head-to-head fight. Lara seems slightly worse than Charlo and Andrade, based on their mutual results against Martirosyan. In summary, I don't think that Lara has distinguished himself as clearly better than Trout, Charlo, Andrade, Molina, or Bundrage.

ikorolev wrote:He already has a fight for another belt scheduled for October, and WBC mandates Cotto/Canelo winner to fight him immediately after their fight. So, what is so unrealistic in those ifs ???

-Fight with Lemieux could fall through due to injury or other pull-out, like Wlad - Haye, Haye - Fury, Fury - Chisora, Cunningham - Chambers, Nate Campbell - Joan Guzman, etc..
-Golovkin could weigh over 160 and lose his titles on the scales during any fight between now and when he were to hypothetically unify the fifth belt, similar to Walters - Marriega.
-Golovkin could lose to Lemieux.
-Golovkin could have a match canceled or a title shot ruled NC due to a failed drug test.
-The WBC could alter their mandatory challenger.
-The WBC champion could dodge a mandate in many different ways, especially by paying-off the WBC.
-The WBC champion could beat Golovkin, especially if it is Alvarez.
-The WBO champion, who may not even be Andy Lee 2 months from now, could choose to never unify with Golovkin.
-The WBO champion could beat Golovkin.
-Golovkin could lose to some other challenger prior to unifying with the WBO champion.
-Golovkin could have his career ended prematurely in a motorcycle crash like Paul Williams and Diego Corrales, die in a robbery like Vernon Forrest, or develop a blood clot in a fight that he should be a favorite in like McClellan - Benn.
-Golovkin could get tied-up in promotional beef and spend years not fighting, like Andre Ward and Yuri Gamboa. As a result, he could also be stripped.
-Golovkin could sustain injury and have to take a year or more off of boxing like Kessler or Vitali. As a result of the inactivity, he could also be stripped.
-A title fight could fall through because Jay-Z wins a purse bid and then Golovkin's promoter chooses to cancel the fight, like Quillin - Korobov.
-A sanctioning body that is hellbent on impeding unification could strip their champion for taking a unification fight instead of fighting their mandatory challenger, like the WBC did when Chad Dawson chose to try to unify with Antonio Tarver, or when Chad Dawson vacated the IBF title because they planned to strip him for trying to unify with Glen Johnson.
-Golovkin could lose a fight to an inferior fighter due to suffering a freak injury like Vitali - Byrd.
-Golovkin's metabolism could slow down a little bit in the next 1-2 years, giving him little choice but to move up a division like Pascal, JCC Jr., Bute, Cotto, Paul Williams, Danny Garcia, Joan Guzman, etc..
Etc.. It would be easy to keep listing things. Every division is just a few hypothetical fights away from a fighter unifying all 5 belts. And yet, it oddly doesn't happen with as much consistency in reality as it does in your imagination. In the real world of boxing, there are 50 things that impede unification of all 5 belts.

jezzamundo wrote:

Tanzio wrote:

caldo2025 wrote: Anyone putting together a P4P list today that doesn't have GGG in one of the top 2 spots is either a hater or dumb.

Says Mr. Dumberer.

GGG is my favourite active fighter and I'd currently have him around #7 in a p4p list. I guess that makes me dumb
He just hasn't yet faced the caliber of opposition required for a top 2 ranking.

These people that are saying that GGG is not in their top 5 are not saying who is in their top 5. Who is in you top 5, Jezzamundo?

Lackeos wrote:

ikorolev wrote:He already has a fight for another belt scheduled for October, and WBC mandates Cotto/Canelo winner to fight him immediately after their fight. So, what is so unrealistic in those ifs ???

-Fight with Lemieux could fall through due to injury or other pull-out, like Wlad - Haye, Haye - Fury, Fury - Chisora, Cunningham - Chambers, Nate Campbell - Joan Guzman, etc..
-Golovkin could weigh over 160 and lose his titles on the scales during any fight between now and when he were to hypothetically unify the fifth belt, similar to Walters - Marriega.
-Golovkin could lose to Lemieux.
-Golovkin could have a match canceled or a title shot ruled NC due to a failed drug test.
-The WBC could alter their mandatory challenger.
-The WBC champion could dodge a mandate in many different ways, especially by paying-off the WBC.
-The WBC champion could beat Golovkin, especially if it is Alvarez.
-The WBO champion, who may not even be Andy Lee 2 months from now, could choose to never unify with Golovkin.
-The WBO champion could beat Golovkin.
-Golovkin could lose to some other challenger prior to unifying with the WBO champion.
-Golovkin could have his career ended prematurely in a motorcycle crash like Paul Williams and Diego Corrales, die in a robbery like Vernon Forrest, or develop a blood clot in a fight that he should be a favorite in like McClellan - Benn.
-Golovkin could get tied-up in promotional beef and spend years not fighting, like Andre Ward and Yuri Gamboa. As a result, he could also be stripped.
-Golovkin could sustain injury and have to take a year or more off of boxing like Kessler or Vitali. As a result of the inactivity, he could also be stripped.
-A title fight could fall through because Jay-Z wins a purse bid and then Golovkin's promoter chooses to cancel the fight, like Quillin - Korobov.
-A sanctioning body that is hellbent on impeding unification could strip their champion for taking a unification fight instead of fighting their mandatory challenger, like the WBC did when Chad Dawson chose to try to unify with Antonio Tarver, or when Chad Dawson vacated the IBF title because they planned to strip him for trying to unify with Glen Johnson.
-Golovkin could lose a fight to an inferior fighter due to suffering a freak injury like Vitali - Byrd.
-Golovkin's metabolism could slow down a little bit in the next 1-2 years, giving him little choice but to move up a division like Pascal, JCC Jr., Bute, Cotto, Paul Williams, Danny Garcia, Joan Guzman, etc..
Etc.. It would be easy to keep listing things. Every division is just a few hypothetical fights away from a fighter unifying all 5 belts. And yet, it oddly doesn't happen with as much consistency in reality as it does in your imagination. In the real world of boxing, there are 50 things that impede unification of all 5 belts.

... and Earth could explode preventing these fights from happening I would say that there is at least 70% probability that Golovkin will have IBF and WBC belts by next summer (with Cotto/Canelo winner fighting him or dropping the belt).

By that time, Gennady's stardom and purses offered to opponents will grow, and it will be hard for a WBO champion to pass on Golovkin's fight. My estimate of Golovkin's chances to unify MW belts by beginning of 2017 is 50%. If the WBO champion keeps ducking, GGG could fight whoever is most relevant at 168 at that time.

caldo2025 wrote:

Tanzio wrote: No thought necessary for a statement as thoroughly ignorant as that, Mr. Dumberer.

Let's see your top 5 P4P, Tanzio

My top 5 p4p has nothing to do with how dense your statement was accusing everyone who does not have 3G in their top 2 p4p of being either haters or dumb, Mr. Dumberer.

But, you can't wrap that pea betwixt your ears around that concept.

caldo2025 wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:

caldo2025 wrote: Anyone putting together a P4P list today that doesn't have GGG in one of the top 2 spots is either a hater or dumb.

GGG is my favourite active fighter and I'd currently have him around #7 in a p4p list. I guess that makes me dumb
He just hasn't yet faced the caliber of opposition required for a top 2 ranking.

These people that are saying that GGG is not in their top 5 are not saying who is in their top 5. Who is in you top 5, Jezzamundo?

"These people?"

Jezzamundo's top 5 p4p has nothing to do with his level of intelligence. It is an opinion.

Your proclamation that anyone who doesn't have 3G in his / her top 2 p4p is a hater or dumb, and defense of it, clearly illustrates your individual intelligence level.

Btw, 3G will end up in the HOF, IMO.