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scottearley123456 wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

scottearley123456 wrote:The past

The fight should have already happened. Green got schooled that night and like he said he had no excuses.
Mundine was the better business man at the time (has been stated by mundine) and dictated the terms with weight being one of them. Green had already moved to light heavy before the fight knowing that he was struggling to make super middle. Mundine knew green was struggling to make the weight and capitalized on it. Smart move. Would it have been a different out come ar a higher catchweight? Probably not but maybe.

Their careers

Since 2006 green has done a lot with his career mundine has not. Green has improved a lot and mundine has slid a little. Thats what makes the rematch interesting. Once on parr green is now VASTLY more popular. He holds the cards as far as dictating the fight but he wants it more than mundine therefore he gives up his hand and will loose on the negotiations. If green fights under light heavy then he is a fool and deserves to loose.

The weight/wait

Green cannot and should not make any weight under light heavy. Mundine is FAR from naturally suited to his current fighting weight. Does anyone know his walk around weight? Mundine has many times struggled to make his fight weight though less documented recently. This also suggests that he should move up in weight. My guess is that he drops around 7 kilos to weigh in. If this true the he doesn't have to gain that much more weight to fight green. Gaining weight at both fighters advanced age is far more natural and healthy than loosing muscle mass. Green needs to come down a few kilos mundine needs to come up a few. The natural weight difference really isn't that far apart and it should be easier and healthier for mundine to come up than green to go down. Advantage mundine.

The outcome

At greens more natural weight he has the opportunity to use his power both punching and wrestling. He may be able bully the hard to hit mundine and wear him down. Green has improved a lot skill wise since 2006. He uses the ring better and has improved his footwork greatly. His shots are much more accurate especially his jab. He now has a lot more patience and generally a higher ring IQ than before.
Mundine has not really shown anything new other than his weight loss. If anything his reflexes have slowed and that was one of the crucial factors in their first meeting. Green could not use his attributes because mundines reflexes made him to eva
In summary

The 2012 version of green would have KOed mundine by mid rounds if not earlier. He would have been to sharp and to powerful and mundine would have been a bunny in the headlights after green managed to catch up with him. However if green cant return to that form then there is little point in fighting mundine again because the version of green that showed up to fight Bolonti wouldn't win a round.

You must be a Green fan.........Me I'm a boxing fan you know the game that separate's the big boy's from the little boy's so some-one hasn't
got a BIG advantage in SIZE then that way god dam cruiserweights don't fight fu..ing men who fight at 11 stone its called FIGHTING WEIGHT YOU EVER HEAR OF THAT what the hell has Mundine walking around weight got to do with the price of eggs f.ck all that's what.... so you try and justify in that way is plain stupid whatever Mundine and just about evey fighter on planet earth walk around weighing is not their fighting weight
ps...............I was a fan before Mundine and Green came along I will be a fan when their gone its BOXING NOT OPEN SLATHER GO FIGHT KIMBO SLICE IN SOME-ONE BACK YARD THEN FIGHT THE BEST FLYWEIGHT THAT YOU CAN FIND THAT'LL SELL ONLY IN AUSTRALIA

Well actually ive fought a bit myself and i know what weights mean just as well if not better than most on here. Like yourself im a boxing fan but im also a fan of both fighters. Green fights at his walk around weight of 86ish kilos. He can come down to 82 mundine walks around probably 75kgs he can come up so what? Have you ever moved up and down weight classes to fight someone? I have. Walk around weight matters. Fighters that size are used to dropping 7kgs off their normal weight to fight. Mundine wont have to drop. All he has to do is train and go back to a similar weight he has been before.
Your making a much bigger thing of this weight issue that it actually is. If they both have prep time then i cant see why its an issue. Its not like they are fighting in 4 months time

Have I fought NO not in the ring............. been around some fighter's who fought for world title's and lived with one who had to cut weight all the time he wouldn't fight any-one that was 5 weight classes above him he's trainer would have throttled him for even suggesting such a thing and this bloke had more fight's than any-one on this site i'v known him for 40 year's since I was 5 i'v trained some amateur boxer's with this ex fighters help so I do know abit about weight loss and boxing but probably not as much as you CHAMP........2 Quick question's for you so who's your pick in the rematch Green or Mundine the bigger one or the smaller one :?? and please don't say their the same size........2nd one Who in your honest opinion
will have the advantage when these two different sized men fight in a boxing match :??

A good big man will beat a good little man.

Their current weight difference will ensure nothing will happen for a considerable time. Plus by the time they reconcile their extensive contract differences, both will be pushing zimmer-frames.

Beltane wrote:A good big man will beat a good little man.

Their current weight difference will ensure nothing will happen for a considerable time. Plus by the time they reconcile their extensive contract differences, both will be pushing zimmer-frames.

Exactly. At times I think some members enjoy putting unnecessary wear & tear on their keyboard.....or just bought a new one & test driving it

The fight should have already happened. Green got schooled that night and like he said he had no excuses.
Mundine was the better business man at the time (has been stated by mundine) and dictated the terms with weight being one of them. Green had already moved to light heavy before the fight knowing that he was struggling to make super middle. Mundine knew green was struggling to make the weight and capitalized on it. Smart move. Would it have been a different out come ar a higher catchweight? Probably not but maybe.

Their careers

Since 2006 green has done a lot with his career mundine has not. Green has improved a lot and mundine has slid a little. Thats what makes the rematch interesting. Once on parr green is now VASTLY more popular. He holds the cards as far as dictating the fight but he wants it more than mundine therefore he gives up his hand and will loose on the negotiations. If green fights under light heavy then he is a fool and deserves to loose.

The weight/wait

Green cannot and should not make any weight under light heavy. Mundine is FAR from naturally suited to his current fighting weight. Does anyone know his walk around weight? Mundine has many times struggled to make his fight weight though less documented recently. This also suggests that he should move up in weight. My guess is that he drops around 7 kilos to weigh in. If this true the he doesn't have to gain that much more weight to fight green. Gaining weight at both fighters advanced age is far more natural and healthy than loosing muscle mass. Green needs to come down a few kilos mundine needs to come up a few. The natural weight difference really isn't that far apart and it should be easier and healthier for mundine to come up than green to go down. Advantage mundine.

The outcome

At greens more natural weight he has the opportunity to use his power both punching and wrestling. He may be able bully the hard to hit mundine and wear him down. Green has improved a lot skill wise since 2006. He uses the ring better and has improved his footwork greatly. His shots are much more accurate especially his jab. He now has a lot more patience and generally a higher ring IQ than before.
Mundine has not really shown anything new other than his weight loss. If anything his reflexes have slowed and that was one of the crucial factors in their first meeting. Green could not use his attributes because mundines reflexes made him to eva
In summary

The 2012 version of green would have KOed mundine by mid rounds if not earlier. He would have been to sharp and to powerful and mundine would have been a bunny in the headlights after green managed to catch up with him. However if green cant return to that form then there is little point in fighting mundine again because the version of green that showed up to fight Bolonti wouldn't win a round.[/quote]

You must be a Green fan.........Me I'm a boxing fan you know the game that separate's the big boy's from the little boy's so some-one hasn't
got a BIG advantage in SIZE then that way god dam cruiserweights don't fight fu..ing men who fight at 11 stone its called FIGHTING WEIGHT YOU EVER HEAR OF THAT what the hell has Mundine walking around weight got to do with the price of eggs f.ck all that's what.... so you try and justify in that way is plain stupid whatever Mundine and just about evey fighter on planet earth walk around weighing is not their fighting weight
ps...............I was a fan before Mundine and Green came along I will be a fan when their gone its BOXING NOT OPEN SLATHER GO FIGHT KIMBO SLICE IN SOME-ONE BACK YARD THEN FIGHT THE BEST FLYWEIGHT THAT YOU CAN FIND THAT'LL SELL ONLY IN AUSTRALIA[/quote]

Well actually ive fought a bit myself and i know what weights mean just as well if not better than most on here. Like yourself im a boxing fan but im also a fan of both fighters. Green fights at his walk around weight of 86ish kilos. He can come down to 82 mundine walks around probably 75kgs he can come up so what? Have you ever moved up and down weight classes to fight someone? I have. Walk around weight matters. Fighters that size are used to dropping 7kgs off their normal weight to fight. Mundine wont have to drop. All he has to do is train and go back to a similar weight he has been before.
Your making a much bigger thing of this weight issue that it actually is. If they both have prep time then i cant see why its an issue. Its not like they are fighting in 4 months time[/quote]

Have I fought NO not in the ring............. been around some fighter's who fought for world title's and lived with one who had to cut weight all the time he wouldn't fight any-one that was 5 weight classes above him he's trainer would have throttled him for even suggesting such a thing and this bloke had more fight's than any-one on this site i'v known him for 40 year's since I was 5 i'v trained some amateur boxer's with this ex fighters help so I do know abit about weight loss and boxing but probably not as much as you CHAMP........2 Quick question's for you so who's your pick in the rematch Green or Mundine the bigger one or the smaller one :?? and please don't say their the same size........2nd one Who in your honest opinion
will have the advantage when these two different sized men fight in a boxing match :??[/quote]

Im no champ and certainly not an expert but i have had experience in moving up and down in weight classes to get the fights i wanted . I respect you have some knowledge and your opinion i just dont agree with the weight being so drastic a thing

As stated above i think that if green looks anything like he did on his last fight he wont win a round?

If green is in good form i think he wears down and stops mundine.
Personally i would prefer green to win

buster007 wrote:Ok The weight meens nothing?

don't be a drama queen!

nobody said it means nothing at all.

At times this joint ain't short of them

oh yes there is.

Those discounting the possibility of this fight taking place on the basis of weight alone need to have a rethink.

Mundine has had to almost starve himself down to 154 pounds. His first attempt at making 154 pounds for the Rob Medley fight failed miserably and he came in at 158 pounds. Then next fight there was the unforgettable kitchen scales weigh in against Jerez where many suspect he didn't make 154 pounds again.

Mundine's comfortable walking around weight is way above 154 pounds. It is probably more like 163 and a Green rematch would probably take place at around 175 pounds.

Simple maths says Mundine would only need to gain about 12 pounds and would have around 18 months to do it.

Like a Boss wrote:Those discounting the possibility of this fight taking place on the basis of weight alone need to have a rethink.

Mundine has had to almost starve himself down to 154 pounds. His first attempt at making 154 pounds for the Rob Medley fight failed miserably and he came in at 158 pounds. Then next fight there was the unforgettable kitchen scales weigh in against Jerez where many suspect he didn't make 154 pounds again.

Mundine's comfortable walking around weight is way above 154 pounds. It is probably more like 163 and a Green rematch would probably take place at around 175 pounds.

Simple maths says Mundine would only need to gain about 12 pounds and would have around 18 months to do it.

It may happen but as someone mentioned they will both be on zimmer frames when it does.

The doubters need only cast their minds back to when a guy who Danny Green beat, by the name of Roy Jones Jnr, won the WBA heavyweight title.

Jones was 174 pounds when he beat Clinton Woods at light heavyweight in September and then in March was 193 pounds when he fought and beat John Ruiz for the heavyweight title.

Roy Jones put on 19 pounds in less than 6 months.

Mundine would only have to put on about 12 pounds and have around 18 months to do it in.

Like a Boss wrote:The doubters need only cast their minds back to when a guy who Danny Green beat, by the name of Roy Jones Jnr, won the WBA heavyweight title.

Jones was 174 pounds when he beat Clinton Woods at light heavyweight in September and then in March was 193 pounds when he fought and beat John Ruiz for the heavyweight title.

Roy Jones put on 19 pounds in less than 6 months.

Mundine would only have to put on about 12 pounds and have around 18 months to do it in.

Mundine has nowhere near the ability of that version of RJJ. If it was a cash out fight it might happen but I doubt Mundine gives Green the pay day.

r u serious?

what has the ability of the fighter got to do with the weight?

just when u think you've heard it all, lol.

u really r getting exposed now.

DA GOOSE wrote:

Like a Boss wrote:The doubters need only cast their minds back to when a guy who Danny Green beat, by the name of Roy Jones Jnr, won the WBA heavyweight title.

Jones was 174 pounds when he beat Clinton Woods at light heavyweight in September and then in March was 193 pounds when he fought and beat John Ruiz for the heavyweight title.

Roy Jones put on 19 pounds in less than 6 months.

Mundine would only have to put on about 12 pounds and have around 18 months to do it in.

Mundine has nowhere near the ability of that version of RJJ. If it was a cash out fight it might happen but I doubt Mundine gives Green the pay day.

What on earth are you going on about?

The point being made here is that a fighter can put on weight and in a short time frame to fight a bigger opponent. Ability is absolutely and totally irrelevant to that

DA GOOSE wrote:

Like a Boss wrote:The doubters need only cast their minds back to when a guy who Danny Green beat, by the name of Roy Jones Jnr, won the WBA heavyweight title.

Jones was 174 pounds when he beat Clinton Woods at light heavyweight in September and then in March was 193 pounds when he fought and beat John Ruiz for the heavyweight title.

Roy Jones put on 19 pounds in less than 6 months.

Mundine would only have to put on about 12 pounds and have around 18 months to do it in.

Mundine has nowhere near the ability of that version of RJJ. If it was a cash out fight it might happen but I doubt Mundine gives Green the pay day.

What has that got to do with what is being discussed?

Like a Boss wrote:

DA GOOSE wrote:

Like a Boss wrote:The doubters need only cast their minds back to when a guy who Danny Green beat, by the name of Roy Jones Jnr, won the WBA heavyweight title.

Jones was 174 pounds when he beat Clinton Woods at light heavyweight in September and then in March was 193 pounds when he fought and beat John Ruiz for the heavyweight title.

Roy Jones put on 19 pounds in less than 6 months.

Mundine would only have to put on about 12 pounds and have around 18 months to do it in.

Mundine has nowhere near the ability of that version of RJJ. If it was a cash out fight it might happen but I doubt Mundine gives Green the pay day.

What on earth are you going on about?

The point being made here is that a fighter can put on weight and in a short time frame to fight a bigger opponent. Ability is absolutely and totally irrelevant to that

I know that but it would be like Green-Siaca II. I suppose Green lovers,Mundine haters would like that but at 40 I doubt Mundine could do it. RJJ was in his early 30's when he done that.
You probably think Green beat a prime RJJ.

Are you on drugs? Serious question.

bogan whisperer wrote:

DA GOOSE wrote:

Like a Boss wrote:The doubters need only cast their minds back to when a guy who Danny Green beat, by the name of Roy Jones Jnr, won the WBA heavyweight title.

Jones was 174 pounds when he beat Clinton Woods at light heavyweight in September and then in March was 193 pounds when he fought and beat John Ruiz for the heavyweight title.

Roy Jones put on 19 pounds in less than 6 months.

Mundine would only have to put on about 12 pounds and have around 18 months to do it in.

Mundine has nowhere near the ability of that version of RJJ. If it was a cash out fight it might happen but I doubt Mundine gives Green the pay day.

What has that got to do with what is being discussed?

Mundine at 40 won't do it IMO. RJJ was in his early 30's when he did that and declined after it. As I said if he wants to cash out he might but nowhere near as many people would watch it and it would make a lot less money than before. I think Mundine enjoys having it over Green too much to rematch him.

bogan whisperer wrote:Are you on drugs? Serious question.

No. Serious answer.

DA GOOSE wrote:

bogan whisperer wrote:

DA GOOSE wrote:

What has that got to do with what is being discussed?

Mundine at 40 won't do it IMO. RJJ was in his early 30's when he did that and declined after it. As I said if he wants to cash out he might but nowhere near as many people would watch it and it would make a lot less money than before. I think Mundine enjoys having it over Green too much to rematch him.

How long have you been following boxing?

Anybody who seriously follows boxing knows Jones only put that weight on to go up and win the heavyweight title. It was only intended to be a hit and run and once he did that he was happy to go down to fight Tarver at light heavyweight. You didn't know that?

Secondly, Mundine would only have to put on something like half a pound a week over a period of time to put on the required weight to meet Green. Piece of piss. Anyone could do it. His body has even been that size before.

bogan whisperer wrote:

DA GOOSE wrote:

bogan whisperer wrote:
How long have you been following boxing?

Anybody who seriously follows boxing knows Jones only put that weight on to go up and win the heavyweight title. It was only intended to be a hit and run and once he did that he was happy to go down to fight Tarver at light heavyweight. You didn't know that?

Secondly, Mundine would only have to put on something like half a pound a week over a period of time to put on the required weight to meet Green. Piece of piss. Anyone could do it. His body has even been that size before.

I have been following boxing enough to know what happened mate. You do know he was never the boxer he was after Ruiz? Hence getting KTFO by Tarver and Johnson. Secondly Mundines highest fighting weight has been 170,he says he will fight Danny if he loses weight and beats Bika or Caparello at LHW but I doubt he will he just likes making Danny jump through hoops.
Oh and please don't bring up the weight he played football at in 2000.

I didn't need to bring up the weight he played football at. You did and we both know he played football bigger than he needs to be to fight Green

Mundine would only have to put on half a pound a week and anybody could do that. Weight isn't a huge hurdle. Just a convenient excuse for people to cling to

that hole is getting dug deeper by the second, lol.

DA GOOSE wrote:

Like a Boss wrote:

DA GOOSE wrote: Mundine has nowhere near the ability of that version of RJJ. If it was a cash out fight it might happen but I doubt Mundine gives Green the pay day.

What on earth are you going on about?

The point being made here is that a fighter can put on weight and in a short time frame to fight a bigger opponent. Ability is absolutely and totally irrelevant to that

I know that but it would be like Green-Siaca II. I suppose Green lovers,Mundine haters would like that but at 40 I doubt Mundine could do it. RJJ was in his early 30's when he done that.
You probably think Green beat a prime RJJ.

What's with the juvenile stuff? Are you incapable of an adult level discussion?

bogan whisperer wrote:I didn't need to bring up the weight he played football at. You did and we both know he played football bigger than he needs to be to fight Green

Mundine would only have to put on half a pound a week and anybody could do that. Weight isn't a huge hurdle. Just a convenient excuse for people to cling to

Isn't that the same excuse Greeny uses for losing in 2006? Starving dehydrated ghost . I don't think the fight will happen don't think Mundine can move up at 40.

Plainly you struggle with mature level discussion

Of course he can put that weight on. Anyone can do it. But why starve yourself for years to fight at 69.85kgs just to go back up. I know $$ but I don't think you realise how hard it is to get to where he is now. He's campaigning at junior middle, Green would struggle to make light heavy. The weight is a huge difference. I hope it doesn't happen but it probably will. It won't matter who wins the loser will blame the weight difference. Guaranteed.