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Listening to the commentary you'd think Shawn Porter comfortably beat Kell Brook....

I'm sure many commentators make up their minds who is likely to win pre-fight and then look for evidence to validate their opinion.

I had JM winning this fight, albeit by slightly narrower than on some scorecards.

Sometimes Jamie's style and especially his lack of true power can detriment the way you judge his work. he is very consistent through the fight without ever being truly spectacular, but it is effective. he's a bit of a throwback in the way he is built for distance and his work is as good in the 12th as it was early on when 90% of other fighters will fade.

There were a lot of very close rounds in the fight, Kameda's opening 2 rounds giving a false interpretation that he was clearly leading by mid way. Had Kameda got the nod i would have been disappointed but accepted it, i though Jamie edged it 115-112 with the iffy KD in 12.

B&I should fight CS in some kind of Royal Rumble.

Ricky_ wrote:B&I should fight CS in some kind of Royal Rumble.

No thanks, half of them are gun nuts and most of the rest are just plain nuts.

Jamie v Santa Cruz will set a new record for punches thrown.

I had it 115-112 for McDonnell. I don't see how anyone can have Kameda winning the fight. He landed 3 or 4 eye catching shots per round at best most of the time, McDonnell was consistently out working him with a solid jab and good work rate. To be fair, the international stream commentators card of 119-109 to Jamie or whatever it was was almost as bad as guys like Rafael who had Kameda winning wide. I thought it was one of those fights that was close but clear. Competitive rounds but McDonnell did comfortably enough to win the fight, especially with the KD in round 12.

handsofstone wrote:I thought Sky had the same commentary as the US,we had Dave Bontempo

Dave Bontempo is hired to work on the "international feed", in which the commentary is separate from the actual US network broadcast. For instance, when British TV picks up an HBO show, Jim Lampley, Max Kellerman and Roy Jones Jr. will be HBO's broadcast team while outside the US (internationally) it is usually Bob Sheridan, with maybe Bontempo or Benny Ricardo as sidekick, doing the commentary.

Funny the difference between 2 sets of american commentaries. Mcdonnell won that pretty easy I thought. Kameda knew he lost, you could see when he was taking his gloves off he was told he didn't have the decision and hardly reacted.

Yes We Can wrote:Sometimes Jamie's style and especially his lack of true power can detriment the way you judge his work. he is very consistent through the fight without ever being truly spectacular, but it is effective. he's a bit of a throwback in the way he is built for distance and his work is as good in the 12th as it was early on when 90% of other fighters will fade.

There were a lot of very close rounds in the fight, Kameda's opening 2 rounds giving a false interpretation that he was clearly leading by mid way. Had Kameda got the nod i would have been disappointed but accepted it, i though Jamie edged it 115-112 with the iffy KD in 12.

TBH with you, Kameda has no power himself. His only stoppage at world level was the gut buster Vs Pungluang. For those watching him for the first tiem that may have given the indication he had solid power but the reality is that he REALLY doesn't hit that hard, it's his speed that is his greatest asset

This was such a hard fight to score and i can see arguments for both sides

Boxerbeetle wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:B&I should fight CS in some kind of Royal Rumble.

No thanks, half of them are gun nuts and most of the rest are just plain nuts.

Boxing Prospect wrote:

Yes We Can wrote:Sometimes Jamie's style and especially his lack of true power can detriment the way you judge his work. he is very consistent through the fight without ever being truly spectacular, but it is effective. he's a bit of a throwback in the way he is built for distance and his work is as good in the 12th as it was early on when 90% of other fighters will fade.

There were a lot of very close rounds in the fight, Kameda's opening 2 rounds giving a false interpretation that he was clearly leading by mid way. Had Kameda got the nod i would have been disappointed but accepted it, i though Jamie edged it 115-112 with the iffy KD in 12.

TBH with you, Kameda has no power himself. His only stoppage at world level was the gut buster Vs Pungluang. For those watching him for the first tiem that may have given the indication he had solid power but the reality is that he REALLY doesn't hit that hard, it's his speed that is his greatest asset

I havent seen much of him to be fair, but his punches certainly look a lot more forceful than jamie's, maybe I'm being blinded by the more stylish looking combo's he does throw.

Either way Jamie's style does make it hard for him to win rounds clearly on a regular basis.

The main reason that there is a big discrepancy in the scoring of some fights is that we are told that a good judge will find a winner of every round. IMO this a complete fallacy. Even if you haven't got a clue about what you're watching you can't be "wrong" if the round is close. The important thing is that the judges get the clear rounds right.
I'm not advocating fence-sitting, but some rounds are just too close to call.

roy wrote:The main reason that there is a big discrepancy in the scoring of some fights is that we are told that a good judge will find a winner of every round. IMO this a complete fallacy. Even if you haven't got a clue about what you're watching you can't be "wrong" if the round is close. The important thing is that the judges get the clear rounds right.
I'm not advocating fence-sitting, but some rounds are just too close to call.

I have despised the "Always find a winner of a round" advice ever since I first heard it; on one hand they say that & then on the other they say "Why are there discrepancies between scoring...?", as if one doesn't naturally & inevitably lead into the other.

roy wrote: I'm not advocating fence-sitting, but some rounds are just too close to call.

indeed; from another perspective, some rounds are so ballclenchingly awful and lacking in action, neither fighter does enough to win.

Counter-puncher wrote:

roy wrote: I'm not advocating fence-sitting, but some rounds are just too close to call.

indeed; from another perspective, some rounds are so ballclenchingly awful and lacking in action, neither fighter does enough to win.

I agree you should be able to make a decision on most rounds if you know what you are looking at, but if a round is genuinely even and you score it to one fighter that's when a crazy scoring card occurs.

Kameda is a very fast counterpuncher, McDonnell is a busy and aggressive volume puncher, it depends on how you view the sport. I enjoy the art of the counterpuncher but don't think that 2 or 3 slick combinations per round can overcome the forward charge and 60 odd punches per round thrown and landed.

palooka wrote:Kameda is a very fast counterpuncher, McDonnell is a busy and aggressive volume puncher, it depends on how you view the sport. I enjoy the art of the counterpuncher but don't think that 2 or 3 slick combinations per round can overcome the forward charge and 60 odd punches per round thrown and landed.

Some prefer style over substance.

Personally i think this thread speaks volumes about the current scene rather than the result.

Barring 2 or 3 big left hooks in the first few rounds Kameda was eating jabs all night pushed onto the back foot.

Some rounds did lack action but cries of robbery are outrageous. The CS mob need to watch the fight again without the commentary.

Best way to handle this is to abolish CS it's obviously not necessary

ElJefe wrote:I had it 115-112 for McDonnell. I don't see how anyone can have Kameda winning the fight. He landed 3 or 4 eye catching shots per round at best most of the time, McDonnell was consistently out working him with a solid jab and good work rate. To be fair, the international stream commentators card of 119-109 to Jamie or whatever it was was almost as bad as guys like Rafael who had Kameda winning wide. I thought it was one of those fights that was close but clear. Competitive rounds but McDonnell did comfortably enough to win the fight, especially with the KD in round 12.

I forget my score but I think I had it almost as wide as Moore. Like you say, Kameda didn't do enough through each round.

Could McDonnell beat Santa Cruz? I don't know much about him tbh

Shambles wrote:

ElJefe wrote:I had it 115-112 for McDonnell. I don't see how anyone can have Kameda winning the fight. He landed 3 or 4 eye catching shots per round at best most of the time, McDonnell was consistently out working him with a solid jab and good work rate. To be fair, the international stream commentators card of 119-109 to Jamie or whatever it was was almost as bad as guys like Rafael who had Kameda winning wide. I thought it was one of those fights that was close but clear. Competitive rounds but McDonnell did comfortably enough to win the fight, especially with the KD in round 12.

I forget my score but I think I had it almost as wide as Moore. Like you say, Kameda didn't do enough through each round.

Could McDonnell beat Santa Cruz? I don't know much about him tbh

McDonnell vs Santa Cruz would definitely be action packed, but Santa Cruz is now at featherweight and although Jamie is a big bantamweight, Santa Cruz would probably be too big for him.

Graham Houston wrote:

handsofstone wrote:I thought Sky had the same commentary as the US,we had Dave Bontempo

Dave Bontempo is hired to work on the "international feed", in which the commentary is separate from the actual US network broadcast. For instance, when British TV picks up an HBO show, Jim Lampley, Max Kellerman and Roy Jones Jr. will be HBO's broadcast team while outside the US (internationally) it is usually Bob Sheridan, with maybe Bontempo or Benny Ricardo as sidekick, doing the commentary.

How did you score the fight Graham?

PredatorHayds wrote:

Graham Houston wrote:

handsofstone wrote:I thought Sky had the same commentary as the US,we had Dave Bontempo

Dave Bontempo is hired to work on the "international feed", in which the commentary is separate from the actual US network broadcast. For instance, when British TV picks up an HBO show, Jim Lampley, Max Kellerman and Roy Jones Jr. will be HBO's broadcast team while outside the US (internationally) it is usually Bob Sheridan, with maybe Bontempo or Benny Ricardo as sidekick, doing the commentary.

How did you score the fight Graham?

I had it 115-112 in McDonnell's favour but the CBS commentary was confusing the heck out of me and I had to mute the sound so that it was barely audible. Probably 116-111 in favour of McDonnell was the right score. The trouble is, even after all these years, I tend to think that the people sitting ringside, just a few feet from the action, must be seeing something I am not seeing. The fact is that TV ringside commentaries are quite often misleading, at least when it comes to scoring. With McDonnell vs Kameda, it was as if the CBS crew decided very early that Kameda was going to win — and certainly Kameda got off to a bright, sharp start — and they sort of took the ball and ran with it.

Dave Bontempo is hired to work on the "international feed", in which the commentary is separate from the actual US network broadcast. For instance, when British TV picks up an HBO show, Jim Lampley, Max Kellerman and Roy Jones Jr. will be HBO's broadcast team while outside the US (internationally) it is usually Bob Sheridan, with maybe Bontempo or Benny Ricardo as sidekick, doing the commentary.[/quote]
How did you score the fight Graham?[/quote]

I had it 115-112 in McDonnell's favour but the CBS commentary was confusing the heck out of me and I had to mute the sound so that it was barely audible. Probably 116-111 in favour of McDonnell was the right score. The trouble is, even after all these years, I tend to think that the people sitting ringside, just a few feet from the action, must be seeing something I am not seeing. The fact is that TV ringside commentaries are quite often misleading, at least when it comes to scoring. With McDonnell vs Kameda, it was as if the CBS crew decided very early that Kameda was going to win — and certainly Kameda got off to a bright, sharp start — and they sort of took the ball and ran with it.[/quote]
Could a organisation like the PBC put pressure on a commentary team to favour the home fighter.

I find BN impartial with their commentary.
I find Sky quite byist to Matchroom fighters.