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SenorPipino wrote:There's plenty of free boxing on TV these days, and as usual, many of you are squawking because it's not major PPV quality or even a trumpeted HBO-like match up.

Just be grateful we're seeing so many current outstanding boxers on a regular basis, whether or not the bouts are fully competitive.

When you're paying $100 to see a quality fight and don't get it (see Mayweather-Pacquiao) then you can complain. But until then remember---these PBC fights don't cost you anything so beggars can't be choosers.

fornicate people with THAT logic. I'd rather see a well matched bout between two C tier guys than a 90-10 type bout. The co-feature on this particular show (Luna Vs Roas) was ACTUALLY a really good match up between two guys who were well matched (despite what the records said), likewise bouts like Higa Vs Kongfah (where two prospects faced off) or Zoda Vs Petchchorhae were brilliant.

We don't ask for "PPV quality" bouts on free TV, just competitive match ups.

I'd rather watch stuff like Dave Ryan Vs John Wayne Hibbert, Rex Tso Vs Michael Enriquez or Jorge Cota Vs Yudel Johnson than any of these PBC headline bouts.

When PBC gets it right (Glowacki Vs Hick, McDonnell Vs Kameda, Santa Cruz Vs Mares) they get it really right, but it seems to be a case of throw enough shit at the wall and some of it will stick as opposed to any coherent thinking about the match ups.

digzee wrote:Its absolutely pathetic how some people are happy to watch 90/10 match ups because they are free but then criticize boxers for ducking. Old man pino for example constantly ridicules Europeans for being "risk adverse" but is happy to watch Garcia-Paulie and Wilder vs Duhaupas and the rest of this shite lined up, you cant have it both ways.

I'd rather pay for quality then settle for this rubbish, I don't get any enjoyment out of watching mismatches.

Your view is warped because you've spent a lifetime watching the dregs of European boxing. You don't know any better.

On the other hand, I've seen quality fighters and quality fights during my "old man" life in L.A. (where legends are born) so I understand talent.

Go ahead...get giddy and pay big bux (Euros??) over Kell Brook or Anthony Joshua or any of the European heavyweight monstrosities.

I prefer to see real warriors, and I don't denigrate it just because it's free.

SenorPipino wrote:

digzee wrote:Its absolutely pathetic how some people are happy to watch 90/10 match ups because they are free but then criticize boxers for ducking. Old man pino for example constantly ridicules Europeans for being "risk adverse" but is happy to watch Garcia-Paulie and Wilder vs Duhaupas and the rest of this shite lined up, you cant have it both ways.

I'd rather pay for quality then settle for this rubbish, I don't get any enjoyment out of watching mismatches.

Your view is warped because you've spent a lifetime watching the dregs of European boxing. You don't know any better.

On the other hand, I've seen quality fighters and quality fights during my "old man" life in L.A. (where legends are born) so I understand talent.

Go ahead...get giddy and pay big bux (Euros??) over Kell Brook or Anthony Joshua or any of the European heavyweight monstrosities.

I prefer to see real warriors, and I don't denigrate it just because it's free.

I wouldn't call them "real warriors" when they are fighting guys 3 levels below them, they are being protected so how can you call them "real warriors"?

You might enjoy mismatches but the rest of us do not.

Wow I might be giving the PBC a serve over the next few weeks.

Some if these match ups are absolutely terrible.
I don't mind seeing a prospect given the odd gimme but these are established stars that he's putting in meaningless fights.

diddy wrote:PBC's debut on FS1 gives us this gem on Tuesday night:

Austin Trout vs Joey Hernandez

Al Haymon is such a joke that he should do stand up comedy.

Can we please get Trout back in there with someone legit? How do you go from beating Cotto and giving Canelo a life and death fight to fighting guys like Dawson, Grajeda, Galarza and Hernandez? I can see one tuneup. Maybe 2. But 4? What is Haymon trying to do exactly ?

In defense of Trout: they initially had a fight with Anthony Mundine lined up.
Mundine got vagina pains, pulled out of the fight, waited a few weeks, blamed the Trout camp and moved on to somebody far inferior to Austin.

Perseus wrote:

diddy wrote:PBC's debut on FS1 gives us this gem on Tuesday night:

Austin Trout vs Joey Hernandez

Al Haymon is such a joke that he should do stand up comedy.

Can we please get Trout back in there with someone legit? How do you go from beating Cotto and giving Canelo a life and death fight to fighting guys like Dawson, Grajeda, Galarza and Hernandez? I can see one tuneup. Maybe 2. But 4? What is Haymon trying to do exactly ?

In defense of Trout: they initially had a fight with Anthony Mundine lined up.
Mundine got vagina pains, pulled out of the fight, waited a few weeks, blamed the Trout camp and moved on to somebody far inferior to Austin.

...any idea if the guy who battered Mundine not too long ago was available? Trout Vs Clottey would actually be intriguing, sure it could be a VERY dull fight but intriguing all the same. There was no reason why someone better than Hernandez wasn't available given the timing of Mundine's pull out. Maciel for example would have been a very interesting (and good fight).

SenorPipino wrote:There's plenty of free boxing on TV these days, and as usual, many of you are squawking because it's not major PPV quality or even a trumpeted HBO-like match up.

Just be grateful we're seeing so many current outstanding boxers on a regular basis, whether or not the bouts are fully competitive.

When you're paying $100 to see a quality fight and don't get it (see Mayweather-Pacquiao) then you can complain. But until then remember---these PBC fights don't cost you anything so beggars can't be choosers.

in the 80's pro boxing was on network tv all the time, but after mancini-kim and other incidents, as well as
some famous bad decisions, the networks shied away from boxing for a long time. i don't remember this much
boxing being on broadcast networks and basic cable for a really long time. with the ability to stream channels
from around the world, it is actually a great time to watch boxing. maybe not every main event is great, but
some of these undercards have good scraps.

sucracristo wrote:

SenorPipino wrote:There's plenty of free boxing on TV these days, and as usual, many of you are squawking because it's not major PPV quality or even a trumpeted HBO-like match up.

Just be grateful we're seeing so many current outstanding boxers on a regular basis, whether or not the bouts are fully competitive.

When you're paying $100 to see a quality fight and don't get it (see Mayweather-Pacquiao) then you can complain. But until then remember---these PBC fights don't cost you anything so beggars can't be choosers.

in the 80's pro boxing was on network tv all the time, but after mancini-kim and other incidents, as well as
some famous bad decisions, the networks shied away from boxing for a long time. i don't remember this much
boxing being on broadcast networks and basic cable for a really long time. with the ability to stream channels
from around the world, it is actually a great time to watch boxing. maybe not every main event is great, but
some of these undercards have good scraps.

Whilst others having nothing but show case bouts. Take yesterday for example. I tuned into cards in 4 different countries-China, Thailand, USA and Canada. The perceived favourites (Thong, Hanuman, Yodsingdaeng, Jun, Spence, Stevenson, Hart and Valdez) won every one of those bouts, mostly without struggling. In fact between them they might have lost a combined 12 rounds (at a push).

It's great there are so many fights, it's just a shame so few are competitive.

There have been many good PBC cards/fights this year.
Many of PBC fights are of the "stay busy" variety.

As long as fighter takes one challenging fight per year, I'm good with them.
2+ challenging fights per year is what legends are made of.

I laugh at all the whiners and complainers here on their rag about the match ups that Haymon is putting on, you call yourselves "boxing fans" but yet you are whining about seeing boxing matches for free.

I love to be the one to break this to you all but newsflash, you are NOT boxing fans, you are Critics and not very good ones at that.

Why don't y'all watch Golf, I'm sure you'd find that more entertaining.

From my viewing perspective if a fight doesn't interest me (e.g. Quillin vs an undersized male stripper who in his only bout with a credible opponent lost virtually every round) I couldn't care less whether it's free (and of course many PBC fights aren't actually free), as I'm probably not going to watch it anyway.

The whole 'don't complain because it's free' logic is nonsensical. By that logic you shouldn't complain about a 'free' fight between an undisputed world champ and an 0-27 clubfighter from two divisions below that is made at the expense of a much better contest.

quillin's ring weight is 182. aside from lunging hooks, he looks slow and isn't landing a lot.
he's also been caught a few times as well by z, who looks like a solid boxer. marcus browne
with the viscious body attack in the previous fight.

*edit*
oh well, z decided to trade on the inside. he looked ok until that point, then both looked really
clumsy trying to land haymakers, but z looked especially especially reckless reaching with his
chin out and got nailed.

crusader wrote:From my viewing perspective if a fight doesn't interest me (e.g. Quillin vs an undersized male stripper who in his only bout with a credible opponent lost virtually every round) I couldn't care less whether it's free (and of course many PBC fights aren't actually free), as I'm probably not going to watch it anyway.

The whole 'don't complain because it's free' logic is nonsensical. By that logic you shouldn't complain about a 'free' fight between an undisputed world champ and an 0-27 clubfighter from two divisions below that is made at the expense of a much better contest.

I'm happy to post horse feces to everyone who enjoys these free cards. Of course I won't charge them for the crap either.

On a much more serious note-someone is going end up getting killed in one of these mismatches.

Boxing Prospect wrote:

crusader wrote:From my viewing perspective if a fight doesn't interest me (e.g. Quillin vs an undersized male stripper who in his only bout with a credible opponent lost virtually every round) I couldn't care less whether it's free (and of course many PBC fights aren't actually free), as I'm probably not going to watch it anyway.

The whole 'don't complain because it's free' logic is nonsensical. By that logic you shouldn't complain about a 'free' fight between an undisputed world champ and an 0-27 clubfighter from two divisions below that is made at the expense of a much better contest.

I'm happy to post horse feces to everyone who enjoys these free cards. Of course I won't charge them for the crap either.

On a much more serious note-someone is going end up getting killed in one of these mismatches.

Read it was sickening.

Quillin weighed 180lbs + in the ring and 1/200 to win. Zerafa coming up from 154 and miles away from World Level.

Televised bullying. Some stuff PBC have done has been good but this sounds sick.

It was, Zerafa gave it a go but it should never have been sanctioned, no match maker should have made the bout either. REALLY awful from all involved...Cornish may go the same way...

BUT IT WAS FREE!!!!!! SHUT THE FUCKKK UP!!!!

Didn't watch PBC's crap yet again today. Just watched the highlights from the Quillin joke fight. People should be put in jail for allowing this garbage to be on TV. Quillin apparently was a 180 pounds fighting a former 154 pound (who was 160) journeyman. Almost killed him on public TV. Is this fight suppose to make me believe that Quillin is "star" or was it the fact he vacated his WBO title because he didn't want to fight Matt Korobov? LOL

klitoris wrote:Didn't watch PBC's crap yet again today. Just watched the highlights from the Quillin joke fight. People should be put in jail for allowing this garbage to be on TV. Quillin apparently was a 180 pounds fighting a former 154 pound (who was 160) journeyman. Almost killed him on public TV. Is this fight suppose to make me believe that Quillin is "star" or was is the fact he vacated his WBO title because he didn't want to fight Matt Korobov? LOL

Horrible mismatch and that's the way it played out.

Zerafa was given oxygen and left the ring on a stretcher. He was taken to Backus Hospital in Norwich where thankfully reports are he is okay.

Redback Rasta wrote:Zerafa was given oxygen and left the ring on a stretcher. He was taken to Backus Hospital in Norwich where thankfully reports are he is okay.

i thought z was winning up until the very end when they both decided to exchange wild
punches and z got caught reaching badly. the precautions they took were because of
the last punch he took, which was a full wind up overhand from q. he was talking to the
doctor and ref the whole time and it seemed like they were playing it safe, which is not
a bad thing. it should be illegal, even criminal, to have that much of a weight gain from
weigh-in to fight night, especially when the other fighter gained next to nothing and the
bigger fighter has fought at a championship level.

crusader wrote:From my viewing perspective if a fight doesn't interest me (e.g. Quillin vs an undersized male stripper who in his only bout with a credible opponent lost virtually every round) I couldn't care less whether it's free (and of course many PBC fights aren't actually free), as I'm probably not going to watch it anyway.

The whole 'don't complain because it's free' logic is nonsensical. By that logic you shouldn't complain about a 'free' fight between an undisputed world champ and an 0-27 clubfighter from two divisions below that is made at the expense of a much better contest.

Now the mask has slipped a bit, it's nice to see all the credulous/gullible/weirdos with agendas (delete as appropriate) try to continue to s̶h̶i̶l̶l̶ defend the PBC concept when it's obviously boxing as it has been for years when a promoter gets a monopoly (favoured fighters in mostly ridiculously unequal matchups & marquee names occasionally fighting each other that in fact turn out to be calculated low-risk affairs because they've both been matched so carefully it's disguised how much one has slipped), just with a stupid PR facelift & a load of fawning cretins mewling about "New dawn for boxing".

The Quillin fight was a fvcking disgrace. I'm sure the five years or so that took off Zerafa's life will be well worth it to get boxing back on free-to-air TV again.

Naandrew wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:

crusader wrote:From my viewing perspective if a fight doesn't interest me (e.g. Quillin vs an undersized male stripper who in his only bout with a credible opponent lost virtually every round) I couldn't care less whether it's free (and of course many PBC fights aren't actually free), as I'm probably not going to watch it anyway.

The whole 'don't complain because it's free' logic is nonsensical. By that logic you shouldn't complain about a 'free' fight between an undisputed world champ and an 0-27 clubfighter from two divisions below that is made at the expense of a much better contest.

I'm happy to post horse feces to everyone who enjoys these free cards. Of course I won't charge them for the crap either.

On a much more serious note-someone is going end up getting killed in one of these mismatches.

Read it was sickening.

Quillin weighed 180lbs + in the ring and 1/200 to win. Zerafa coming up from 154 and miles away from World Level.

Televised bullying. Some stuff PBC have done has been good but this sounds sick.

Quillin was only 1-40 at my book. But obviously the fight was a joke.

sucracristo wrote:

Redback Rasta wrote:Zerafa was given oxygen and left the ring on a stretcher. He was taken to Backus Hospital in Norwich where thankfully reports are he is okay.

i thought z was winning up until the very end when they both decided to exchange wild
punches and z got caught reaching badly. the precautions they took were because of
the last punch he took, which was a full wind up overhand from q. he was talking to the
doctor and ref the whole time and it seemed like they were playing it safe, which is not
a bad thing. it should be illegal, even criminal, to have that much of a weight gain from
weigh-in to fight night, especially when the other fighter gained next to nothing and the
bigger fighter has fought at a championship level.

The weight thing is a big issue. No doubt.