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koolkc107 wrote:Yes, it looks damned shady.

Yes, it looks like not only Floyd, but USADA and NSAC have some 'splainin' to do.

But, before we go full retard with the PED accusations, let's keep in mind the facts.

1) 30 days out, Floyd was 150.5 lbs. So yeah, maybe he is getting up there in age and no longer makes 147 as easily as he used to...but this doesn't mean he is a natural middleweight, and folks sound ridiculous suggesting so.

2) He is said to have taken about 750 ml total in the 24 hours before the fight. This is not a huge amount of fluid. It is about 25 ounces. Again, it blows any speculation of Floyd being this middleweight desperate to shred weight out of the water.

3) Saline solutions can imdeed be used to mask steroids and other PEDs. Problem is, this method of masking is only effective immediately before a PED screening. So, if you were tested for PEDs before you did the IV and after you did the IV- as Mayweather was for both procedures- then using Saline to mask anything would be useless.

So go ahead and call Mayweather a cheater if you like, I won't blame you. And I agree it looks damned fishy. But if we are believing part of what is being reported we must believe it all.

And if everything is true, there is not much chance Mayweather had any unfair advantage in the fight.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Yes, it looks damned shady.

Yes, it looks like not only Floyd, but USADA and NSAC have some 'splainin' to do.

But, before we go full retard with the PED accusations, let's keep in mind the facts.

1) 30 days out, Floyd was 150.5 lbs. So yeah, maybe he is getting up there in age and no longer makes 147 as easily as he used to...but this doesn't mean he is a natural middleweight, and folks sound ridiculous suggesting so.

2) He is said to have taken about 750 ml total in the 24 hours before the fight. This is not a huge amount of fluid. It is about 25 ounces. Again, it blows any speculation of Floyd being this middleweight desperate to shred weight out of the water.

3) Saline solutions can imdeed be used to mask steroids and other PEDs. Problem is, this method of masking is only effective immediately before a PED screening. So, if you were tested for PEDs before you did the IV and after you did the IV- as Mayweather was for both procedures- then using Saline to mask anything would be useless.

So go ahead and call Mayweather a cheater if you like, I won't blame you. And I agree it looks damned fishy. But if we are believing part of what is being reported we must believe it all.

And if everything is true, there is not much chance Mayweather had any unfair advantage in the fight.

Thankyou, a level headed post for a change (not directed at your) - there are a lot of people just waiting to damn Floyd and write off his entire career over a single reported incident which does not actually confirmed any kind of PED use, just that he had an IV drip which should have been authorised.

So you're saying Saline is used to flush out the bloodstream or rather dilute it prior to a test. 750 ml is less than a litre, so can't see how that would achieve much. 750 ml is less than a small bottle of water - that's not an amount you would use to rehydrate due to weight cutting.

If Floyd was 150.5 30 days out, then NO WAY is he struggling to make weight - there's lots of middleweights out there who are way north of that with 30 days to go.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Ezzard wrote:Reminds me of Carl Lewis...who knew he couldn't get caught.

Yes, read the book 'The dirtiest race in history' and it appears that Lewis, despite his big mouth, was far from clean himself, as you say, he just knew that he'd never be sanctioned for anything, because he was too big a star. Johnson was the fall guy, and I have some sympathy for him, because it looks to me, like absolutely everyone was taking hugely powerful anabolic steroids.

PredatorHayds wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Ezzard wrote:Reminds me of Carl Lewis...who knew he couldn't get caught.

Yes, read the book 'The dirtiest race in history' and it appears that Lewis, despite his big mouth, was far from clean himself, as you say, he just knew that he'd never be sanctioned for anything, because he was too big a star. Johnson was the fall guy, and I have some sympathy for him, because it looks to me, like absolutely everyone was taking hugely powerful anabolic steroids.

This book interests me.
Is it the one about the 88 100metre final?
Do you recommend it? (I mean the book not the steroids)

koolkc107 wrote:Yes, it looks damned shady.

Yes, it looks like not only Floyd, but USADA and NSAC have some 'splainin' to do.

But, before we go full retard with the PED accusations, let's keep in mind the facts.

1) 30 days out, Floyd was 150.5 lbs. So yeah, maybe he is getting up there in age and no longer makes 147 as easily as he used to...but this doesn't mean he is a natural middleweight, and folks sound ridiculous suggesting so.

2) He is said to have taken about 750 ml total in the 24 hours before the fight. This is not a huge amount of fluid. It is about 25 ounces. Again, it blows any speculation of Floyd being this middleweight desperate to shred weight out of the water.

3) Saline solutions can imdeed be used to mask steroids and other PEDs. Problem is, this method of masking is only effective immediately before a PED screening. So, if you were tested for PEDs before you did the IV and after you did the IV- as Mayweather was for both procedures- then using Saline to mask anything would be useless.

So go ahead and call Mayweather a cheater if you like, I won't blame you. And I agree it looks damned fishy. But if we are believing part of what is being reported we must believe it all.

And if everything is true, there is not much chance Mayweather had any unfair advantage in the fight.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Yes, it looks damned shady.

Yes, it looks like not only Floyd, but USADA and NSAC have some 'splainin' to do.

But, before we go full retard with the PED accusations, let's keep in mind the facts.

1) 30 days out, Floyd was 150.5 lbs. So yeah, maybe he is getting up there in age and no longer makes 147 as easily as he used to...but this doesn't mean he is a natural middleweight, and folks sound ridiculous suggesting so.

2) He is said to have taken about 750 ml total in the 24 hours before the fight. This is not a huge amount of fluid. It is about 25 ounces. Again, it blows any speculation of Floyd being this middleweight desperate to shred weight out of the water.

3) Saline solutions can imdeed be used to mask steroids and other PEDs. Problem is, this method of masking is only effective immediately before a PED screening. So, if you were tested for PEDs before you did the IV and after you did the IV- as Mayweather was for both procedures- then using Saline to mask anything would be useless.

So go ahead and call Mayweather a cheater if you like, I won't blame you. And I agree it looks damned fishy. But if we are believing part of what is being reported we must believe it all.

And if everything is true, there is not much chance Mayweather had any unfair advantage in the fight.

Thankyou, a level headed post for a change (not directed at your) - there are a lot of people just waiting to damn Floyd and write off his entire career over a single reported incident which does not actually confirmed any kind of PED use, just that he had an IV drip which should have been authorised.

So you're saying Saline is used to flush out the bloodstream or rather dilute it prior to a test. 750 ml is less than a litre, so can't see how that would achieve much. 750 ml is less than a small bottle of water - that's not an amount you would use to rehydrate due to weight cutting.

If Floyd was 150.5 30 days out, then NO WAY is he struggling to make weight - there's lots of middleweights out there who are way north of that with 30 days to go.

IKSRTFO wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:Yes, it looks damned shady.

Yes, it looks like not only Floyd, but USADA and NSAC have some 'splainin' to do.

But, before we go full retard with the PED accusations, let's keep in mind the facts.

1) 30 days out, Floyd was 150.5 lbs. So yeah, maybe he is getting up there in age and no longer makes 147 as easily as he used to...but this doesn't mean he is a natural middleweight, and folks sound ridiculous suggesting so.

2) He is said to have taken about 750 ml total in the 24 hours before the fight. This is not a huge amount of fluid. It is about 25 ounces. Again, it blows any speculation of Floyd being this middleweight desperate to shred weight out of the water.

3) Saline solutions can imdeed be used to mask steroids and other PEDs. Problem is, this method of masking is only effective immediately before a PED screening. So, if you were tested for PEDs before you did the IV and after you did the IV- as Mayweather was for both procedures- then using Saline to mask anything would be useless.

So go ahead and call Mayweather a cheater if you like, I won't blame you. And I agree it looks damned fishy. But if we are believing part of what is being reported we must believe it all.

And if everything is true, there is not much chance Mayweather had any unfair advantage in the fight.

Thankyou, a level headed post for a change (not directed at your) - there are a lot of people just waiting to damn Floyd and write off his entire career over a single reported incident which does not actually confirmed any kind of PED use, just that he had an IV drip which should have been authorised.

So you're saying Saline is used to flush out the bloodstream or rather dilute it prior to a test. 750 ml is less than a litre, so can't see how that would achieve much. 750 ml is less than a small bottle of water - that's not an amount you would use to rehydrate due to weight cutting.

If Floyd was 150.5 30 days out, then NO WAY is he struggling to make weight - there's lots of middleweights out there who are way north of that with 30 days to go.

Just like Floyd fans were calling Pacquiao a cheater even without little factual proof like this.

Sklar wrote: Floyd has done the pedder's equivalent of walking into the ER with a baseball bat stcking out of his ass and claiming he tripped and fell onto it.

IKSRTFO wrote:Floyd can end up the Lance Armstrong of boxing. He will always have an asterisk by his name.

koolkc107 wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:Floyd can end up the Lance Armstrong of boxing. He will always have an asterisk by his name.

Well, it was USADA that nailed Lance. And part of how they did it was to use newer techniques on older samples. So, the potential is definitely there to get to a definitive truth.

Ezzard wrote:Reminds me of Carl Lewis...who knew he couldn't get caught.

koolkc107 wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:Floyd can end up the Lance Armstrong of boxing. He will always have an asterisk by his name.

Well, it was USADA that nailed Lance. And part of how they did it was to use newer techniques on older samples. So, the potential is definitely there to get to a definitive truth.

digzee wrote:Has Floyd or anyone from his team (not including KBB) said anything? Surely if it was something legal or innocent he would be in the media about it everywhere.

Datsue wrote:

Sklar wrote: Floyd has done the pedder's equivalent of walking into the ER with a baseball bat stcking out of his ass and claiming he tripped and fell onto it.