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Kirino Garcia started out by losing first 17 fights, then went 40-10 , beating Jorge Vaca, Terrance Alli, Frankie Randell, Meldrick Taylor, Simon Brown.
Now all those guys may of been at the end of their careers, but its a hell of a list of wins for someone that was 0-17 at one time.

Old bones Ian wrote:Kirino Garcia started out by losing first 17 fights, then went 40-10 , beating Jorge Vaca, Terrance Alli, Frankie Randell, Meldrick Taylor, Simon Brown.
Now all those guys may of been at the end of their careers, but its a hell of a list of wins for someone that was 0-17 at one time.

Some of these guys just need a bit of time to warm up !

littlepug wrote:

TheWigwam wrote:

littlepug wrote:So I spend a fair bit of time trawling through boxers records so I thought I would post any unusual findings on here, so earlier I came across a Mexican guy called Fernando Ramos( can't post a link cos I'm not tech savvy ) whose record was 2-9, in compiling that record he fought troy Dorsey, Eddie Rangel, Maurizio stecca, Jesse Benavides, Tracy Patterson, Giovanni parisi, Orlando canizales and Darryl Tyson, and amazingly he was also a two weight world title challenger fighting for WBO superbantam and featherweight world crowns ! feel free to add your own findings.

What an incredible record, how on Earth did he get the title shots though?

It was the early days of the WBO which made it possible

Thanks That did occur to me after I posted it but it still seems a bit extreme!

Morris Watkins a US middleweight went 1-3 in the 70s with his sole win a 1st round ko over future sitcom star Tony Danza ( taxi and whos the boss ) who went 9-3

Rafael Lovera, fought for the WBC light fly title, lost in the 4th round. It was then discovered he had no boxing experience, and it was his debut.
Never to be seen in a ring again.
http://boxrec.com/boxer/51391

On the other end of the scale is Miguel Canto's 12 consecutive 15 round decision wins for the world title. That's a lot of boxing
http://boxrec.com/boxer/9002

Old bones Ian wrote:Rafael Lovera, fought for the WBC light fly title, lost in the 4th round. It was then discovered he had no boxing experience, and it was his debut.
Never to be seen in a ring again.
http://boxrec.com/boxer/51391

On the other end of the scale is Miguel Canto's 12 consecutive 15 round decision wins for the world title. That's a lot of boxing
http://boxrec.com/boxer/9002

Good stuff Ian

Cheers Mercman - Quarless clearly an oddity

There were more than a few of those type of heavyweights with really up-and-down records kicking around the British and European scene at that time I seem to remember. Guys who could beat a decent-level American handily but then got thumped by a fairly lightly regarded domestic rival.

Derek 'Sweet D' Williams was another who was all over the shop and that made him entertaining. A properly big, menacing looking heavy who could finish things early and he was well-up for his fight with Lewis.

I think it was viewed at the time as LL's first loseable fight if Williams was able to land an early bomb?

To be fair to Derek, a good number of his losses were a the end of his career...but he was one of those up-and-downers who must have given his manager/promoters some sleepless nights.

Bodyshot3 wrote:Cheers Mercman - Quarless clearly an oddity

There were more than a few of those type of heavyweights with really up-and-down records kicking around the British and European scene at that time I seem to remember. Guys who could beat a decent-level American handily but then got thumped by a fairly lightly regarded domestic rival.

Derek 'Sweet D' Williams was another who was all over the shop and that made him entertaining. A properly big, menacing looking heavy who could finish things early and he was well-up for his fight with Lewis.

I think it was viewed at the time as LL's first loseable fight if Williams was able to land an early bomb?

To be fair to Derek, a good number of his losses were a the end of his career...but he was one of those up-and-downers who must have given his manager/promoters some sleepless nights.

Derek was a strange one, one minute he would look a potential world beater the next he's getting beat by jean chant, the chanet defeats certainly had me scratching my head.

This is an active fighter I haven't previously heard of from Thailand called sirimongkol singwancha aged 38, his record stands at 86-2 and is the current holder of an Asian trinket at light middle, his first title was the WBU title at super fly followed by WBU bantam, WBC bantam, WBC super feather and Asian titles at light welter and welter !

Derek was a strange one, one minute he would look a potential world beater the next he's getting beat by jean chant, the chanet defeats certainly had me scratching my head.

Agreed...Chanet really was not much to write home about was he, a decidely average European heavyweight boss, just a big block of a guy who wrestled and mauled well. Although Derek was apparently unlucky in the first one I recall.

I do like my unpredicatable heavyweights with the oddball records....and we Brits seem to be good at producing these guys. Mike Holden came out of nowhere to briefly get the Lonsdale; a real Cinderella story.

Old bones Ian wrote:Kirino Garcia started out by losing first 17 fights, then went 40-10 , beating Jorge Vaca, Terrance Alli, Frankie Randell, Meldrick Taylor, Simon Brown.
Now all those guys may of been at the end of their careers, but its a hell of a list of wins for someone that was 0-17 at one time.

Bodyshot3 wrote:

Derek was a strange one, one minute he would look a potential world beater the next he's getting beat by jean chant, the chanet defeats certainly had me scratching my head.

Agreed...Chanet really was not much to write home about was he, a decidely average European heavyweight boss, just a big block of a guy who wrestled and mauled well. Although Derek was apparently unlucky in the first one I recall.

I do like my unpredicatable heavyweights with the oddball records....and we Brits seem to be good at producing these guys. Mike Holden came out of nowhere to briefly get the Lonsdale; a real Cinderella story.

Jess Harding another one

littlepug wrote:This is an active fighter I haven't previously heard of from Thailand called sirimongkol singwancha aged 38, his record stands at 86-2 and is the current holder of an Asian trinket at light middle, his first title was the WBU title at super fly followed by WBU bantam, WBC bantam, WBC super feather and Asian titles at light welter and welter !

He lost the wbc bantam to tatsuyoshi in Japan, o think

Counter-puncher wrote:

Old bones Ian wrote:Kirino Garcia started out by losing first 17 fights, then went 40-10 , beating Jorge Vaca, Terrance Alli, Frankie Randell, Meldrick Taylor, Simon Brown.
Now all those guys may of been at the end of their careers, but its a hell of a list of wins for someone that was 0-17 at one time.

To say he went through hard times is an understatement
http://www.thesweetscience.com/article- ... r-to-great

Old bones Ian wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:

Old bones Ian wrote:Kirino Garcia started out by losing first 17 fights, then went 40-10 , beating Jorge Vaca, Terrance Alli, Frankie Randell, Meldrick Taylor, Simon Brown.
Now all those guys may of been at the end of their careers, but its a hell of a list of wins for someone that was 0-17 at one time.

To say he went through hard times is an understatement
http://www.thesweetscience.com/article- ... r-to-great

Bloody hell its like a film script ! saying that boxing is absolutely littered with potential film scripts.

Counter-puncher wrote:

littlepug wrote:This is an active fighter I haven't previously heard of from Thailand called sirimongkol singwancha aged 38, his record stands at 86-2 and is the current holder of an Asian trinket at light middle, his first title was the WBU title at super fly followed by WBU bantam, WBC bantam, WBC super feather and Asian titles at light welter and welter !

He lost the wbc bantam to tatsuyoshi in Japan, o think

In what was a fornicating barn burner!

Talking about Japan I was going through some old Daiki Kameda footage and came across a fight against Mohammad Sadik (http://boxrec.com/boxer/45907) Boxrec have his record listed as 0-7-1 but it seems VERY incomplete with Japanese TV showing up a figure of 27-11-4 (11) ahead of the Kameda bout. Using boxrec however his record shows he fought 6 times against future or former world champions (going 0-5-1) against them. Wolf later went on to challenge for a world title which makes Julio De La Basez the only opponent he faced without ever fighting for a world title

Boxing Prospect wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:

littlepug wrote:This is an active fighter I haven't previously heard of from Thailand called sirimongkol singwancha aged 38, his record stands at 86-2 and is the current holder of an Asian trinket at light middle, his first title was the WBU title at super fly followed by WBU bantam, WBC bantam, WBC super feather and Asian titles at light welter and welter !

He lost the wbc bantam to tatsuyoshi in Japan, o think

In what was a effing barn burner!

Talking about Japan I was going through some old Daiki Kameda footage and came across a fight against Mohammad Sadik (http://boxrec.com/boxer/45907) Boxrec have his record listed as 0-7-1 but it seems VERY incomplete with Japanese TV showing up a figure of 27-11-4 (11) ahead of the Kameda bout. Using boxrec however his record shows he fought 6 times against future or former world champions (going 0-5-1) against them. Wolf later went on to challenge for a world title which makes Julio De La Basez the only opponent he faced without ever fighting for a world title

I knew our resident Asian boxing specialist would surface sooner or later, I'm sure boxingprospect could add a bit to this thread

Filipino fighter Ric Siodora (24-12-7, 6) [http://boxrec.com/boxer/3430] may hold a distinction of being the only fighter to DRAW with 3 brothers. In 1990 he drew with a then unbeaten Gerry Penalosa and Dodie Boy Penalosa Sr, the following year he drew with Jon Penalosa, who like Gerry was unbeaten. Amazingly these 3 bouts came in the space of 8 months!
He would fight to a second draw with Dodie Boy later in 1991. Both bouts with Dodie ended in Technical draws!

Old bones Ian wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:

Old bones Ian wrote:Kirino Garcia started out by losing first 17 fights, then went 40-10 , beating Jorge Vaca, Terrance Alli, Frankie Randell, Meldrick Taylor, Simon Brown.
Now all those guys may of been at the end of their careers, but its a hell of a list of wins for someone that was 0-17 at one time.

To say he went through hard times is an understatement
http://www.thesweetscience.com/article- ... r-to-great

Thank you for posting that link a real story of guts and spirit.

Boxing Prospect wrote:Filipino fighter Ric Siodora (24-12-7, 6) [http://boxrec.com/boxer/3430] may hold a distinction of being the only fighter to DRAW with 3 brothers. In 1990 he drew with a then unbeaten Gerry Penalosa and Dodie Boy Penalosa Sr, the following year he drew with Jon Penalosa, who like Gerry was unbeaten. Amazingly these 3 bouts came in the space of 8 months!
He would fight to a second draw with Dodie Boy later in 1991. Both bouts with Dodie ended in Technical draws!

Good stuff mate

Old bones Ian wrote:Kirino Garcia started out by losing first 17 fights, then went 40-10 , beating Jorge Vaca, Terrance Alli, Frankie Randell, Meldrick Taylor, Simon Brown.
Now all those guys may of been at the end of their careers, but its a hell of a list of wins for someone that was 0-17 at one time.

Thanks for posting, interesting

Controversial wrote:

Old bones Ian wrote:Kirino Garcia started out by losing first 17 fights, then went 40-10 , beating Jorge Vaca, Terrance Alli, Frankie Randell, Meldrick Taylor, Simon Brown.
Now all those guys may of been at the end of their careers, but its a hell of a list of wins for someone that was 0-17 at one time.

Thanks for posting, interesting

have a read of the link Ian posted, it's incredible.

palooka wrote:

Controversial wrote:

Old bones Ian wrote:Kirino Garcia started out by losing first 17 fights, then went 40-10 , beating Jorge Vaca, Terrance Alli, Frankie Randell, Meldrick Taylor, Simon Brown.
Now all those guys may of been at the end of their careers, but its a hell of a list of wins for someone that was 0-17 at one time.

Thanks for posting, interesting

have a read of the link Ian posted, it's incredible.

Yeah incredible story. Proof how misleading bad records can be !!

A couple of lads that were fed to the wolves, Jung-jae lee went 0-3 his 2nd fight was for the IBF title at light fly against Kittikasem and his 3rd against Gerry penalosa. Muhammad Alfaridzi went 2-4 his début was for the Indonesian featherweight title against 11-0 Chris John, he knocked John down twice in the 1st and broke his nose before losing in the 12th, his 2nd was for the WBF superbantam strap against a guy 16-1, he slipped into a coma after his 6th fight and died 3 days later.

littlepug wrote:A couple of lads that were fed to the wolves, Jung-jae lee went 0-3 his 2nd fight was for the IBF title at light fly against Kittikasem and his 3rd against Gerry penalosa. Muhammad Alfaridzi went 2-4 his début was for the Indonesian featherweight title against 11-0 Chris John, he knocked John down twice in the 1st and broke his nose before losing in the 12th, his 2nd was for the WBF superbantam strap against a guy 16-1, he slipped into a coma after his 6th fight and died 3 days later.

The trouble with a lot of asian fighters is their records aren't always easy to verify or compile. I may be wrong but I doubt Alfaridzi was a debutant against Chris John in a 12 round title fight. More likely that his record is just incomplete.