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punchoutsb wrote:

koolkc107 wrote:No.

You replied with your opinion.
Which I have no issue with you expressing and kind of agree with.

But, for me to be butthurt would mean
1) I actually lost an argument here, and
2) I was upset about being wrong.

That just hasn't happened. And you could not point to one instance here where it has, fool.

Then why call it a "feeble attempt" if you agreed with it?

Losing an argument would include making an outrageous claim and then not producing evidence to back it up...so where's that "fistful of guys" Wlad is ducking?

koolkc107 wrote:Almost decent attempt to run smack tho, but the basement thing is cliche- work on coming up with fresher material.

I'd save fresh material for a worthwhile poster.

koolkc107 wrote:PS: No one has been able to kick my ass in two plus decades. One look at me is usually enough to persuade folks the try isn't worth it.

I said "kind of" agreed, meaning not totally...but of course I would not expect you grasp nuanced comments.

And, if I make a claim, then tell you exactly where to find the proof of that claim that is not losing an argument.
That is you showing yourself to be:

1) Too lazy to get info that is literally one click away
2) Not secure enough in your own person or position to pursue your own conviction
3) Juvenile enough to conflate someone not giving what you want with them not being able to.

Be well.

koolkc107 wrote: I said "kind of" agreed, meaning not totally...but of course I would not expect you grasp nuanced comments.

What didn't you agree with? Which aspect of American media has been outwardly longing for an intelligent, well spoken, foreign Heavyweight champion?

koolkc107 wrote:And, if I make a claim, then tell you exactly where to find the proof of that claim that is not losing an argument.
That is you showing yourself to be:

1) Too lazy to get info that is literally one click away
2) Not secure enough in your own person or position to pursue your own conviction
3) Juvenile enough to conflate someone not giving what you want with them not being able to.

Be well.

Let me jog your memory. I stated that Wlad has never ducked, nor is actively ducking any fighters. You responded by saying he's ducking a "fistful of guys". I have access to the boxrec rankings and have already clearly come to the conclusion that Wlad is ducking no one.

You making an outrageous counter claim and then attempting to "prove your point" by asking me to do your research for you (research I had already done to make my own point) shows you that you are terrified of admitting your hyperbole came directly from your anus (at least your consistent).

Both of us looked at the same rankings. I said Wlad has ducked no one, you say he's ducked a "fistful". Even a moron knows that it falls to you to provide proof of that claim.

Be well. Don't choke on your soft foods.

He's ducking Shannon Briggs, but on the other side, I have the feeling Briggs only wants to go for the title straight away, he doesn't fight rank 50 ish guys like himself, but only rank 250 ish guys and the champion, nobody in the middle.

And TBH I think Briggs got a fair shot against Wilder, who does duck everybody with a bit of talent, but not against Klitschko ofcourse.

I still like to see Shannon losing, just to get rid of his Klitschko rants.

asdfjkl wrote:He's ducking Shannon Briggs, but on the other side, I have the feeling Briggs only wants to go for the title straight away, he doesn't fight rank 50 ish guys like himself, but only rank 250 ish guys and the champion, nobody in the middle.

And TBH I think Briggs got a fair shot against Wilder, who does duck everybody with a bit of talent, but not against Klitschko ofcourse.

I still like to see Shannon losing, just to get rid of his Klitschko rants.

Just to make sure I understand correctly, you are saying Wladimir Klitschko is ducking Shannon Briggs?

punchoutsb wrote:

koolkc107 wrote: I said "kind of" agreed, meaning not totally...but of course I would not expect you grasp nuanced comments.

What didn't you agree with? Which aspect of American media has been outwardly longing for an intelligent, well spoken, foreign Heavyweight champion?

koolkc107 wrote:And, if I make a claim, then tell you exactly where to find the proof of that claim that is not losing an argument.
That is you showing yourself to be:

1) Too lazy to get info that is literally one click away
2) Not secure enough in your own person or position to pursue your own conviction
3) Juvenile enough to conflate someone not giving what you want with them not being able to.

Be well.

Let me jog your memory. I stated that Wlad has never ducked, nor is actively ducking any fighters. You responded by saying he's ducking a "fistful of guys". I have access to the boxrec rankings and have already clearly come to the conclusion that Wlad is ducking no one.

You making an outrageous counter claim and then attempting to "prove your point" by asking me to do your research for you (research I had already done to make my own point) shows you that you are terrified of admitting your hyperbole came directly from your anus (at least your consistent).

Both of us looked at the same rankings. I said Wlad has ducked no one, you say he's ducked a "fistful". Even a moron knows that it falls to you to provide proof of that claim.

Be well. Don't choke on your soft foods.

Wrong again.

As per usual, this did not start with you making a statement.

This started with me stating fact and you doing your usual peanut gallery act.

Here is the statement I made July 15th:

The double standard by some folks is absolutely astonishing.

We have a heavyweight champ who has fought nothing but stiffs the last decade, and is getting ready to fight yet another one; that is met with fanboys licking their chops and rubbing their hands together in anticipation.



My comments were not directed you, nor was I entertaining any thought of dialogue with you.
But, sure enough, you chimed in anyway.

People constantly bitch and moan about Klitschko, who has not missed one top contender during his current reign. He's not fighting stiffs, he's fighting the best available contenders.

To which I responded, since such blather and idiocy could spread if unchecked:

Well, actually, there are literally a fistful of guys out there Wlad needs to fight but isn't. And if you are going to give me that "he fights the top contenders" crap without one mention of HOW most of those guys came to be ranked at the top, then I'd just rather leave this at you thinking you are right even if you aren't.

No argument from me.

"NEEDS TO FIGHT" was the phrase I used and still believe. There are indeed at least a fistful of guys out here (who have been out here) that he needs to fight and has not. Jennings had 19 fights when Wlad faced him. Now look at the heavyweight rankings and tell me there are not at least 5 guys on there Wlad hasn't faced who have been around longer than Jennings, who would KTFO of Jennings right now, or both.

Peace.

koolkc107 wrote: Wrong again.

As per usual, this did not start with you making a statement.

This started with me stating fact and you doing your usual peanut gallery act.

Here is the statement I made July 15th:

The double standard by some folks is absolutely astonishing.

We have a heavyweight champ who has fought nothing but stiffs the last decade, and is getting ready to fight yet another one; that is met with fanboys licking their chops and rubbing their hands together in anticipation.



My comments were not directed you, nor was I entertaining any thought of dialogue with you.
But, sure enough, you chimed in anyway.

People constantly bitch and moan about Klitschko, who has not missed one top contender during his current reign. He's not fighting stiffs, he's fighting the best available contenders.

To which I responded, since such blather and idiocy could spread if unchecked:

Well, actually, there are literally a fistful of guys out there Wlad needs to fight but isn't. And if you are going to give me that "he fights the top contenders" crap without one mention of HOW most of those guys came to be ranked at the top, then I'd just rather leave this at you thinking you are right even if you aren't.

No argument from me.

"NEEDS TO FIGHT" was the phrase I used and still believe. There are indeed at least a fistful of guys out here (who have been out here) that he needs to fight and has not. Jennings had 19 fights when Wlad faced him. Now look at the heavyweight rankings and tell me there are not at least 5 guys on there Wlad hasn't faced who have been around longer than Jennings, who would KTFO of Jennings right now, or both.

Peace.

So I take it you're not going to name the "fistful of guys" yet again.

I figured

Do I dare ask who the 5 guys are who would KTFO of Jennings that Wlad hasn't faced, or is that another question that would make your balls suck up into your stomach?

Actually, I already know the answer to that. Enjoy your Sunday, take the weekend off from trolling. You deserve a rest. You've been working overtime since some of your other more interesting accounts have been banned.

punchoutsb wrote:

koolkc107 wrote: Wrong again.

As per usual, this did not start with you making a statement.

This started with me stating fact and you doing your usual peanut gallery act.

Here is the statement I made July 15th:

The double standard by some folks is absolutely astonishing.

We have a heavyweight champ who has fought nothing but stiffs the last decade, and is getting ready to fight yet another one; that is met with fanboys licking their chops and rubbing their hands together in anticipation.



My comments were not directed you, nor was I entertaining any thought of dialogue with you.
But, sure enough, you chimed in anyway.

People constantly bitch and moan about Klitschko, who has not missed one top contender during his current reign. He's not fighting stiffs, he's fighting the best available contenders.

To which I responded, since such blather and idiocy could spread if unchecked:

Well, actually, there are literally a fistful of guys out there Wlad needs to fight but isn't. And if you are going to give me that "he fights the top contenders" crap without one mention of HOW most of those guys came to be ranked at the top, then I'd just rather leave this at you thinking you are right even if you aren't.

No argument from me.

"NEEDS TO FIGHT" was the phrase I used and still believe. There are indeed at least a fistful of guys out here (who have been out here) that he needs to fight and has not. Jennings had 19 fights when Wlad faced him. Now look at the heavyweight rankings and tell me there are not at least 5 guys on there Wlad hasn't faced who have been around longer than Jennings, who would KTFO of Jennings right now, or both.

Peace.

So I take it you're not going to name the "fistful of guys" yet again.

I figured

Do I dare ask who the 5 guys are who would KTFO of Jennings that Wlad hasn't faced, or is that another question that would make your balls suck up into your stomach?

Actually, I already know the answer to that. Enjoy your Sunday, take the weekend off from trolling. You deserve a rest. You've been working overtime since some of your other more interesting accounts have been banned.

See what happened right there?

You made a false statement ("Let me jog your memory....), I corrected you (Wrong again...), but rather than deal with that you edited it out of your reply and went on a different tack.

Pitiful.

You still don't get it.

What part of "I give less than a fugg what you think" has escaped you all this time?

And if you are going to ask me things, stop rephrasing what I say into something you think you hear.

For example:

I said "A cerebral, educated heavyweight champion"; you heard "intelligent, well spoken, foreign Heavyweight champion".
I said nothing about him being foreign, because it wasn't pertinent to him being more accepted in the US.
But somehow, you needed to inject that element into it.
And I am certain I know why even if you yourself may not be aware of why.

You want answers, go find them.
You have the info, have had it since you asked.
Not my problem if it casts one of your heroes in a not so flattering light.

You do have an option, you know.

Stop commenting on my posts, especially if you are too lazy or ignorant to understand things in them.

But, I hope you keep coming back. Best way for you to learn.

koolkc107 wrote:See what happened right there?

You made a false statement ("Let me jog your memory....), I corrected you (Wrong again...), but rather than deal with that you edited it out of your reply and went on a different tack.

Pitiful.

You still don't get it.

What part of "I give less than a fugg what you think" has escaped you all this time?

And if you are going to ask me things, stop rephrasing what I say into something you think you hear.

For example:

I said "A cerebral, educated heavyweight champion"; you heard "intelligent, well spoken, foreign Heavyweight champion".
I said nothing about him being foreign, because it wasn't pertinent to him being more accepted in the US.
But somehow, you needed to inject that element into it.
And I am certain I know why even if you yourself may not be.

You want answers, go find them.
You have the info, have had it since you asked.
Not my problem if it casts one of your heroes in a not so flattering light.

You do have an option, you know.

Stop commenting on my posts, especially if you are too lazy or ignorant to understand things in them.

But, I hope you keep coming back. Best way for you to learn.

For a guy who "gives less than a fugg" your replies are getting longer and longer It's funny to me that you get so mad. It's probably your biggest weakness as a troll.

We both know you'll never post either fictional list of the "fistful of guys" Wlad is ducking or the 5 guys that would KTFO of Jennings who Wlad is ducking because you're terrified of being called out online...I can only imagine how you must slink around in real life

And on that note, enjoy being the first troll ever placed on my ignore list. Now please, enjoy your Sunday! As I said, you've earned a day off after trolling over time the past couple weeks since your other, more interesting accounts have been banned

What can I say?

You want to run away, that is fine.

Can't say I will miss owning you because frankly it was no great feat.

But I will miss the laugh I got every time you supposed I was someone else.

You do know what that says about you, don't you?

punchoutsb wrote: So I take it you're not going to name the "fistful of guys" yet again.

I figured

Do I dare ask who the 5 guys are who would KTFO of Jennings that Wlad hasn't faced, or is that another question that would make your balls suck up into your stomach?

Actually, I already know the answer to that. Enjoy your Sunday, take the weekend off from trolling. You deserve a rest. You've been working overtime since some of your other more interesting accounts have been banned.

I agree, nobody will KTFO of Jennings, even Klitschko doesn't, he wins the rounds, but that's really it.
I still see Jennings as the real rank one of America, but for the challenge...
I think the following names have a chance of winning against Jennings:
Anthony Joshua*
Joseph Parker*
Lucas Browne
Charles Martin
Gerald Washington

* = I'm quite confident they win, others have a chance of winning

I must say with that, that none of them has yet actually proved more as Jennings has at the moment of his fight against Klitschko.
I also have the feeling Jennings has a quite serious mental problem after Klitschko, he never fought again, he doesn't seem to care about other boxers any more, his confidence really seems to have shrunk to 0 after Klitschko. I allmost feel sorry for the guy.

asdfjkl wrote:

punchoutsb wrote: So I take it you're not going to name the "fistful of guys" yet again.

I figured

Do I dare ask who the 5 guys are who would KTFO of Jennings that Wlad hasn't faced, or is that another question that would make your balls suck up into your stomach?

Actually, I already know the answer to that. Enjoy your Sunday, take the weekend off from trolling. You deserve a rest. You've been working overtime since some of your other more interesting accounts have been banned.

I agree, nobody will KTFO of Jennings, even Klitschko doesn't, he wins the rounds, but that's really it.
I still see Jennings as the real rank one of America, but for the challenge...
I think the following names have a chance of winning against Jennings:
Anthony Joshua*
Joseph Parker*
Lucas Browne
Charles Martin
Gerald Washington

* = I'm quite confident they win, others have a chance of winning

I must say with that, that none of them has yet actually proved more as Jennings has at the moment of his fight against Klitschko.
I also have the feeling Jennings has a quite serious mental problem after Klitschko, he never fought again, he doesn't seem to care about other boxers any more, his confidence really seems to have shrunk to 0 after Klitschko. I allmost feel sorry for the guy.

Jennings has actually had offers to fight this year but has turned them down as not good enough.
I don't think it is mental. It's money.

As far as the US, I think Wilder is better than Jennings and would KO him. Stiverne would do the same.
I think you are right about Joshua beating Jennings and I also think you may be right about Parker.
Not disputing the others you named but I like Povetkin's chances against Jennings as well and if Helenius is
really back, he is on this list as well.

wladimir avoided two opponents in my
opinion. sanders for a rematch and his
brother. else he fought pretty much
what was in the lists, provided they
would fight him. yes, he had a streak
of bouts where i heard the other guy's
name for the first time, but that was
mainly (i think), because the better
opponents ducked wlad and not the
other way round.

man wrote:wladimir avoided two opponents in my
opinion. sanders for a rematch and his
brother. else he fought pretty much
what was in the lists, provided they
would fight him. yes, he had a streak
of bouts where i heard the other guy's
name for the first time, but that was
mainly (i think), because the better
opponents ducked wlad and not the
other way round.

It isn't just about who he avoided way back when.

It's also who he has not fought in the last few years.

Give Vitali credit, he saw Arreola emerging, he didn't wait.

Wlad just aint his brother, IMO

So far I've only seen one interview with Wladimir and Tyson and it's pretty clear the champion has done his homework on Fury already.
The baiting from Tyson has pretty much fallen on deaf ears and has had little if no effect on Klitschko which leads me to believe Wladimir was expecting it.
That said like Klitschko I believe there are many of us that enjoy the entertainment Tyson brings along with him, sometimes he is very very funny and just has a way of saying things that makes him hard to dislike.
Saying Steve Cunningham was named after a battleship, telling David Haye he'll swallow his teeth in a sky sports interview [Which Haye couldn't help but genuinely laugh out loud at] and his recent claim during the press conference with Wladimir that he'll "Lick the Klit" are among his funniest so far.
Tyson is a promoters wet dream as long as he doesn't go too far over the line because he sure can help sell a fight in his own unique way.

man wrote:wladimir avoided two opponents in my
opinion. sanders for a rematch and his
brother.

- Brewster was Sanders' WBO mandatory and a poor money DKing fight, thus a no go.

Sanders signed a Roy Jones' contract for big money that Roy never took as Sanders and Lewis et al waited a year. Vitali stepped up as Sanders vacated WBO and the rest history. Wlad and Brewster fought for that vacated title.

koolkc107 wrote:

man wrote:wladimir avoided two opponents in my
opinion. sanders for a rematch and his
brother. else he fought pretty much
what was in the lists, provided they
would fight him. yes, he had a streak
of bouts where i heard the other guy's
name for the first time, but that was
mainly (i think), because the better
opponents ducked wlad and not the
other way round.

It isn't just about who he avoided way back when.

It's also who he has not fought in the last few years.

Give Vitali credit, he saw Arreola emerging, he didn't wait.

Wlad just aint his brother, IMO

don't want to put fuel in your funny little vendetta
here, but i don't know who you are referring to.
wlad took on quite a number of top ten heavies. i
really thinks the others ducked and not the other
way round. throughout his career i never felt he
cherrypicked opponents. you can criticise him for
his style, not so for his matchups.

Evander wrote:Tyson is a promoters wet dream as long as he doesn't go too far over the line because he sure can help sell a fight in his own unique way.

he is ATG material in terms of entertainment
outside the ring.

man wrote:

Evander wrote:Tyson is a promoters wet dream as long as he doesn't go too far over the line because he sure can help sell a fight in his own unique way.

he is ATG material in terms of entertainment
outside the ring.

Thing is Fury is big and mad enough to knock him spark out given the chance .
I think everyone is expecting Wladimir to box him for 4-5 rounds and try to wear him down, good chance it'll work out if he plays it smart.
If Tyson can suck up and withstand the punishment and engage Klitschko while keeping himself in the fight anything's possible.
Can't wait to see it.

Evander wrote:

man wrote:

Evander wrote:Tyson is a promoters wet dream as long as he doesn't go too far over the line because he sure can help sell a fight in his own unique way.

he is ATG material in terms of entertainment
outside the ring.

Thing is Fury is big and mad enough to knock him spark out given the chance .
I think everyone is expecting Wladimir to box him for 4-5 rounds and try to wear him down, good chance it'll work out if he plays it smart.
If Tyson can suck up and withstand the punishment and engage Klitschko while keeping himself in the fight anything's possible.
Can't wait to see it.

Tyson is big, but Wlad has faced and beaten far bigger punchers. As for being

It's a very huge IF Tyson can suck it up, not just physically, but mentally. It's demoralising eating that ramrod jab round after round.

The only way I see Tyson winning is bum rushing Wlad, and managing to hurt him really early, or making Wlad work hard enough for him to tire in the last 3rd of the fight. I cannot see Fury outboxing Wlad, and I think if he tries to steamroller him, he is likely to get his big block knocked off.

I just don't think Fury is good enough to make either gameplan work. Wlad also has the punch power to end the fight with one shot if needs be.

Evander wrote:

man wrote:

Evander wrote:Tyson is a promoters wet dream as long as he doesn't go too far over the line because he sure can help sell a fight in his own unique way.

he is ATG material in terms of entertainment
outside the ring.

Thing is Fury is big and mad enough to knock him spark out given the chance .
I think everyone is expecting Wladimir to box him for 4-5 rounds and try to wear him down, good chance it'll work out if he plays it smart.
If Tyson can suck up and withstand the punishment and engage Klitschko while keeping himself in the fight anything's possible.
Can't wait to see it.

me too. plus wlad looks better against taller
opponents. i think it is very tempting to go
for fury's body and a few hooks and body jabs
could really have an effect.

but as you i expect tyson to not leave without
really trying and so anything can happen.

Tyson got knocked on his ass by a cruiserweight.
No way he doesn't buckle the minute Wlad hits him with anything sharp.
This shouldn't get past 5.

punchoutsb wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:He's ducking Shannon Briggs, but on the other side, I have the feeling Briggs only wants to go for the title straight away, he doesn't fight rank 50 ish guys like himself, but only rank 250 ish guys and the champion, nobody in the middle.

And TBH I think Briggs got a fair shot against Wilder, who does duck everybody with a bit of talent, but not against Klitschko ofcourse.

I still like to see Shannon losing, just to get rid of his Klitschko rants.

Just to make sure I understand correctly, you are saying Wladimir Klitschko is ducking Shannon Briggs?

Well technically he is by refusing to fight him.

If I say I want to fight Wlad it means he is ducking me too (unless he says yes )..

Now given Shannon Briggs is quality and a real threat to the division I can see why Wlan is "ducking" him..

Mr Icaman wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:He's ducking Shannon Briggs, but on the other side, I have the feeling Briggs only wants to go for the title straight away, he doesn't fight rank 50 ish guys like himself, but only rank 250 ish guys and the champion, nobody in the middle.

And TBH I think Briggs got a fair shot against Wilder, who does duck everybody with a bit of talent, but not against Klitschko ofcourse.

I still like to see Shannon losing, just to get rid of his Klitschko rants.

Just to make sure I understand correctly, you are saying Wladimir Klitschko is ducking Shannon Briggs?

Well technically he is by refusing to fight him.

If I say I want to fight Wlad it means he is ducking me too (unless he says yes )..

Now given Shannon Briggs is quality and a real threat to the division I can see why Wlan is "ducking" him..

I see you're new here, so apologies if I miss that this is a sarcastic post. It's hard to catch all the intricacies of posters you are unfamiliar with.

On the other hand, if you're serious then I'm afraid you do not know what ducking is or what constitutes it in the slightest. Or what quality is...or what a real threat is...

punchoutsb wrote:

Mr Icaman wrote:

punchoutsb wrote: Just to make sure I understand correctly, you are saying Wladimir Klitschko is ducking Shannon Briggs?

Well technically he is by refusing to fight him.

If I say I want to fight Wlad it means he is ducking me too (unless he says yes )..

Now given Shannon Briggs is quality and a real threat to the division I can see why Wlan is "ducking" him..

I see you're new here, so apologies if I miss that this is a sarcastic post. It's hard to catch all the intricacies of posters you are unfamiliar with.

On the other hand, if you're serious then I'm afraid you do not know what ducking is or what constitutes it in the slightest. Or what quality is...or what a real threat is...

I pretty much said the same thing so, it's still pointless.
Anyway, Wilder ducks all day.

Anthony Joshua is Klitschko's only real threat in a couple of years.
Or perhaps Povetkin, Povetkin grew after his only lose ever, I can't imagine Klitschko continue to fight this level for another five years having this age.

Cap wrote:What really hurts Klitschko is fights like the one with Povetkin where he pretended to be a blanket for 12 rounds, draping himself all over the Russian. No one wants to watch crap like that. If he goes out and knocks people out as quickly as he can, the media will love him. His style puts fans to sleep faster than a big turkey dinner.

Capo,

Fury is coming to fight. Wlad will roast him in 5 rounds or less. I predict a Pulev like knockout.