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Re: USADA OWNS HAUSER POINT BY POINT
Posted: 19 Sep 2015, 08:22
by Ricky_
koolkc107 wrote:
No.
1:45 was when the DCO notified Floyd.
And the DCO monitored Floyd from that time, thru the weigh-in and up to 8:15.
At some point after the weigh-in, paramedics were called to Floyd's home (probably because
his dehydration prevented him from giving a full sample). The paramedics administered the IVs,
in full view of the DCO, who took urine before and after each IV.
Please explain:
"Mr. Mayweather declared the infusion in advance to the USADA DCO"
If Mayweather "declared it to the USADA DCO" in "advance", when did he "declare" it?
Re: USADA OWNS HAUSER POINT BY POINT
Posted: 19 Sep 2015, 08:41
by koolkc107
Ricky_ wrote:koolkc107 wrote:
No.
1:45 was when the DCO notified Floyd.
And the DCO monitored Floyd from that time, thru the weigh-in and up to 8:15.
At some point after the weigh-in, paramedics were called to Floyd's home (probably because
his dehydration prevented him from giving a full sample). The paramedics administered the IVs,
in full view of the DCO, who took urine before and after each IV.
Please explain:
"Mr. Mayweather declared the infusion in advance to the USADA DCO"
If Mayweather "declared it to the USADA DCO" in "advance", when did he "declare" it?
If you cannot figure out what transpired given the USADA report I posted AND me explaining it to you, then you have comprehension issues I cant help you with.
Get someone to explain it further to you.
If you have another question concerning the report, fire away.
Re: USADA OWNS HAUSER POINT BY POINT
Posted: 19 Sep 2015, 08:55
by Ricky_
koolkc107 wrote:Ricky_ wrote:koolkc107 wrote:
No.
1:45 was when the DCO notified Floyd.
And the DCO monitored Floyd from that time, thru the weigh-in and up to 8:15.
At some point after the weigh-in, paramedics were called to Floyd's home (probably because
his dehydration prevented him from giving a full sample). The paramedics administered the IVs,
in full view of the DCO, who took urine before and after each IV.
Please explain:
"Mr. Mayweather declared the infusion in advance to the USADA DCO"
If Mayweather "declared it to the USADA DCO" in "advance", when did he "declare" it?
If you cannot figure out what transpired given the USADA report I posted AND me explaining it to you, then you have comprehension issues I cant help you with.
Get someone to explain it further to you.
If you have another question concerning the report, fire away.
OK so your answer is you clearly don't know. 
You've tried to paint a picture of Floyd coming home from the weigh-in and encountering a sudden medical emergency and calling an ambulance, but the statement on the USADA publication proves that is not the case with Floyd "declaring in advance" his need for an IV.
It does not state how far in advance.
For all we know he could have declared his desire for an IV the day before as he was getting really dry in order to make weight.
So much for USADA owning Hauser point-by-point huh, we can't even get by point 1 without being left with some serious unanswered questions; When did Floyd first notify USADA he would need an IV?
Re: USADA OWNS HAUSER POINT BY POINT
Posted: 19 Sep 2015, 09:31
by koolkc107
"Declared to the USADA DCO in advance"
How did you miss that part?
I have a 5 year old niece who has better reading comprehension skills than you.
The USADA reply is crystal clear. So are mine.
No one's fault but your own if you can't parse them.
Re: USADA OWNS HAUSER POINT BY POINT
Posted: 19 Sep 2015, 09:35
by Ricky_
koolkc107 wrote:"Declared to the USADA DCO in advance"
Yes Brut.
Mayweather "Declared to the USADA DCO
in advance"
Now, how hard is this for you to comprehend? How far "in advance"?
Was it seconds before the needle went in?
Was it an hour before the needle went in?
Was it Before the weight-in at 3pm?
Was it before the DCO showed up at his house at 1.45?
Was it the day before?
Was it the week before?
Stop clouding the issue. USADA's statement on the matter is vague on purpose, but it stinks.
Re: USADA OWNS HAUSER POINT BY POINT
Posted: 19 Sep 2015, 09:47
by koolkc107
Irrelevant, since they give you a timeframe (1:45 -8:15) and tell you it was after the weigh-in.
Furthermore, you DO realize a paramedic was called, right?
You want exact times, investigate.
I'm sure the medical personnel kept meticulous records of everything they did.
Re: USADA OWNS HAUSER POINT BY POINT
Posted: 19 Sep 2015, 10:15
by Ricky_
koolkc107 wrote:Irrelevant, since they give you a timeframe (1:45 -8:15)....
No, that's the timeframe the DCO was with Mayweather. I'm sure the man has a phone and a computer so when they say that "Mayweather notified the DCO in advance" it's so vague that all we know is that the DCO knew Floyd was going to get an IV before he actually got it.
koolkc107 wrote:and tell you it was after the weigh-in.
Nope. Again, they only say the IV was administered after the weigh-in. It simply says that USADA DCO was notified "in advance". Why would he have to be "notified" if he was there!?
Stop making presumption to try and damage control the situation, and stick to the facts please. All we know is that at some point before receiving the needle in his arm, Floyd told USADA about it.
It's extremely vague on purpose, because the story simply doesn't add up.
Re: USADA OWNS HAUSER POINT BY POINT
Posted: 19 Sep 2015, 10:25
by koolkc107
Notified in advance of administering the IV, cretin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpMRlfY9Wxo
Re: USADA OWNS HAUSER POINT BY POINT
Posted: 19 Sep 2015, 11:57
by Ricky_
When? You no comprendi holmes? "In advance of administering the IV" covers alot if time son. Was it minutes before? Hours before? Days before?
Answer the question Brut.
Re: USADA OWNS HAUSER POINT BY POINT
Posted: 19 Sep 2015, 12:03
by pugilisticprofessor
Shouldn't this be in the boxers of the past section?
Re: USADA OWNS HAUSER POINT BY POINT
Posted: 19 Sep 2015, 12:22
by Tanzio
pugilisticprofessor wrote:Shouldn't this be in the boxers of the past section?
Better yet, can't there be a new "pacroid / floydiot reminiscences" section created?
Re: USADA OWNS HAUSER POINT BY POINT
Posted: 19 Sep 2015, 17:49
by koolkc107
Tanzio wrote:pugilisticprofessor wrote:Shouldn't this be in the boxers of the past section?
Better yet, can't there be a new "pacroid / floydiot reminiscences" section created?
Didn't stop you from chiming in with your usual zero input did it?
But, there is a point of diminishing returns with most things...with Pretty Ricky that point just happens to be the very beginning.
Re: USADA OWNS HAUSER POINT BY POINT
Posted: 19 Sep 2015, 18:20
by Ricky_
Thats either a dehydrated Floyd needing an IV, or me waiting on KoolKC to tell us how far in advance Floyd notified USADA he needed an IV. Was it Minutes before, hours, days??
Re: USADA OWNS HAUSER POINT BY POINT
Posted: 19 Sep 2015, 18:33
by koolkc107
Ricky_ wrote:
Thats either a dehydrated Floyd needing an IV, or me waiting on KoolKC to tell us how far in advance Floyd notified USADA he needed an IV. Was it Minutes before, hours, days??
No, that's actually you trying to figure out how to open a can of spam.
Poor fella.
As to the question you keep asking, I answered it already...more than once.
I've come to the conclusion that you don't need any more replies from me- what you need most of all is phonics.
Re: USADA OWNS HAUSER POINT BY POINT
Posted: 19 Sep 2015, 18:46
by Ricky_
Nope, you never.
Enough with your deflection tactics, its as boring as it is pathetic.
How far in advance did Floyd notify USADA he needed an IV?
You already attempted to answer that it was after he returned home from the weighin but nothing from the usada report suggests it wasn't before then.
Koolikc, your getting owned here in your attempts of damage control and we're only at point 1
Re: USADA OWNS HAUSER POINT BY POINT
Posted: 19 Sep 2015, 18:52
by koolkc107
Ricky_ wrote:Nope, you never.
Enough with your deflection tactics, its as boring as it is pathetic.
How far in advance did Floyd notify USADA he needed an IV?
You already attempted to answer that it was after he returned home from the weighin but nothing from the usada report suggests it wasn't before then.
Koolikc, your getting owned here in your attempts of damage control and we're only at point 1
Amazing.
Your lack of basic reading comprehension skills turns into me getting owned.
I always thought that "legend in your own mind" thing was just a saying but you are breathing life into an old saw.
Well done.
Now, whenever you get thru with your crayons and want to ask a second question, I will be glad to oblige.
But miss me with the nonsense you are trying to pull here.
Re: USADA OWNS HAUSER POINT BY POINT
Posted: 19 Sep 2015, 18:57
by Tanzio
koolkc107 wrote:Ricky_ wrote:Nope, you never.
Enough with your deflection tactics, its as boring as it is pathetic.
How far in advance did Floyd notify USADA he needed an IV?
You already attempted to answer that it was after he returned home from the weighin but nothing from the usada report suggests it wasn't before then.
Koolikc, your getting owned here in your attempts of damage control and we're only at point 1
Amazing.
Your lack of basic reading comprehension skills turns into me getting owned.
I always thought that "legend in your own mind" thing was just a saying but you are breathing life into an old saw.
Well done.
Now, whenever you get thru with your crayons and want to ask a second question, I will be glad to oblige.
But miss me with the nonsense you are trying to pull here.
It's ok, koolturB, admit your attraction for Ricky_. Lil Floyd will understand.
Re: USADA OWNS HAUSER POINT BY POINT
Posted: 19 Sep 2015, 19:10
by Lackeos
Blocking koolkc107 on the basis of being an idiot who creates a bunch of garbage troll threads, not knowing when to shut the f*ck up, and being a casual fan who doesn't talk about anything except Mayweather and Pacquiao. I wish moderators would just lock all of his garbage threads, maybe ban him.
Re: USADA OWNS HAUSER POINT BY POINT
Posted: 19 Sep 2015, 22:06
by IKSRTFO
The question still remains. Why does Floyd who walks around at fighting weight, need more fluid allowed than any other fighter to rehydrate?
Fishy no matter what the answer is.
Re: USADA OWNS HAUSER POINT BY POINT
Posted: 20 Sep 2015, 04:55
by Ricky_
IKSRTFO wrote:The question still remains. Why does Floyd who walks around at fighting weight, need more fluid allowed than any other fighter to rehydrate?
Fishy no matter what the answer is.
The USADA "point by point" comeback on Hauser is intentionally vague.
There is very little detail on when or why Floyd decided to take an illegal IV.
The most troubling aspect is that this very clearly was not a medical emergency. There's ample footage of the world's biggest ever weighin event. We seen Floyd weighin, staredown, pose for photos, interact with fans and conduct media interviews.
We're supposed to believe that in an hour or 2 later Floyd went home and became a severe medical emergency to the point he needed exemption from the WADA rules he requested and could not rehydrate orally??
Even if this was the case the timeline doesn't fit, because you'd expect doctors (if there were any present) to attempt oral rehydration first.
The whole story doesn't stack up and is clearly BS. The IV was part of Floyd's routine prep.
Re: USADA OWNS HAUSER POINT BY POINT
Posted: 20 Sep 2015, 10:03
by Baby Face Finster
Floyd and Manny were both juicers. The part that pisses most people off was Floyd passing himself off as an all natural athlete who was trying to clean up the sport.
The all natural juicer. It's only cheating when others do it, not when he does it. That is the true definition of a hypocrite.
Re: USADA OWNS HAUSER POINT BY POINT
Posted: 20 Sep 2015, 10:53
by koolkc107
To sum up once more:
1) IVs were not illegal according to NSAC and have been used routinely in Vegas fights for decades.
2) NSAC, not WADA or USADA, was the sanctioning authority in this fight.
3) USADA was hired to do testing and, in the case of conflict, the contract superceded WADA protocols.
4) The contract allowed TUEs and retroactive TUEs, and allowed notification after TUE approval.
5) No advantage was gained by the IV, it was rehydration done in the presence of USADA and independent medical personnel.
6) No masking of PEDs was possible since CIR testing done before and after the IV came back negative.
7) The CIR testing also blows any speculation about T:E ratios out the water since synthetic testosterone would be detected.
Now, if any of you have a credible argument against these points, I'd be glad to hear them
Re: USADA OWNS HAUSER POINT BY POINT
Posted: 20 Sep 2015, 17:05
by Pureist
you know the contract is in the sb article kooli, it also says that they agreed to follow WADA methods list which means floyd broke the rules twice, you obviously have a compromised opinion
Re: USADA OWNS HAUSER POINT BY POINT
Posted: 20 Sep 2015, 18:00
by koolkc107
Pureist wrote:you know the contract is in the sb article kooli, it also says that they agreed to follow WADA methods list which means floyd broke the rules twice, you obviously have a compromised opinion
He did not have to strictly follow the WADA methods list.
Paragraph 30 of the very contract you mention made sure of that.
The irony is that he may have anyway.
WADA allows TUEs. And there was a DCO (A USADA and therefore WADA agent) right there.
Before any IV that DCO was asked verbally for the TUE and it was granted.
Yeah, it is kinda bullcrap the paperwork wasn't filed till 3 weeks later but that doesn't mean anyone cheated.
And the CIR testing proves that.
Re: USADA OWNS HAUSER POINT BY POINT
Posted: 20 Sep 2015, 18:05
by koolkc107
Badhusker wrote:Kool, You do realize you are arguing mostly with retards, right? They won't get it even if the plain facts are right in front of them. Even the ones that are not retarded will continue to be in denial because of their intense hatred of Floyd.
Let it rest folks. Pac vs Floyd is over, and Floyd is retired. A few people laughed when I said it would end up being a non issue. I still stand by that statement.
Yeah, I do realize that.
But, unfortunately, I'm an optimist.
