Was Manny Trying To Cheat?

[caldo2025]

Defeated?

I started a post which explains irrefutably how there could not have not have been any cheating by anyone in the May 2 fight.

Both men passed numerous CIR tests, the one test we have that CAN catch cheats EVERY time.

NO ONE in this forum trying to portray Mayweather as a cheater has gone ANYWHERE NEAR this fact, and for good reason.

It would underscore just how much I am OWNING each and every one of them.

And yes, I also started this thread.

To further illustrated how the same folks who are selectively ignoring ironclad proof NO ONE cheated May 2
are also quite content to ignore a REAL, LAST DITCH EFFORT on the part of Pacquiao to gain an unfair advantage
using Toradol, a drug that would have allowed him to walk thru punches.

I posted videos from Memo and Malignaggi, two insiders who would know about these things.

Both men question why he would need Toradol and point to the side effect I just mentioned.

As Paulie said, if he would have asked for cortisone (which works just as well, but without the numbing sheet of armor side effect)
he would have got it.

But he wanted Toradol.

There are some major inconsistencies with the CIR testing for this fight. Let's say that USADA sent the correct urine samples to be tested and that may be a stretch to assume that was done on the up and up. Let's assume that there was no improprieties involved and Floyd's urine was put through Carbon Isotope Ratio testing, you are crazy to think that this means either guy was clean. While most of the current tests administered will detect if the person is currently on PEDS, CIR will go back SEVERAL DAYS further than the other tests and detect . SEVERAL DAYS.

The benefits of PEDs is greatest when the user has been off the drugs for a significant period of time. So they started taking urine back in March. Floyd could have been taking the drug up until February and peak in May. That's how the drug works. It's actually perfect timing.

Since USADA was doing the testing though, all reliability is gone. Read below and tell me that we can trust ANY of the information coming out of USADA at this point? What's your opinion of the information below, KC?


As reported by this writer on MaxBoxing in Dec. 2012, information filtered through the drug-testing community on May 20, 2012 to the effect that Mayweather had tested positive on three occasions for an illegal performance-enhancing drug. More specifically, it was rumored that Mayweather’s “A” sample had tested positive three times and, after each positive test, USADA had given Floyd an inadvertent use waiver. These waivers, if they were in fact given, would have negated the need to test Floyd’s “B” samples. And because the “B” samples were never tested, a loophole in Mayweather’s USADA contract would have allowed testing to continue without the positive “A” sample results being reported to Mayweather’s opponent or the Nevada State Athletic Commission.



You are a dumb person so let's stop with the comedy. Your boy is dirty and if USADA wants to save face at this point, they will send one of these 3 failed tests in for CIR like they SHOULD HAVE and according to their bylaws. CIR tests can be done after the fact so Floyd's samples from these 3 tests are somewhere in the lab awaiting verification.

You have no point with this post at all. Paulie hates Manny and has clearly stated his opinion of the man so he's the last person i would listen to about Manny. Thanks though and nice try

[Batley18]

Sometimes when I am on my lunch break at work, I wonder what to do for entertainment.

Fortunately this has filled 5 minutes. And for that, I thank you both

[Ricky_]

As reported by this writer on MaxBoxing in Dec. 2012, information filtered through the drug-testing community on May 20, 2012 to the effect that Mayweather had tested positive on three occasions for an illegal performance-enhancing drug. More specifically, it was rumored that Mayweather’s “A” sample had tested positive three times and, after each positive test, USADA had given Floyd an inadvertent use waiver. These waivers, if they were in fact given, would have negated the need to test Floyd’s “B” samples. And because the “B” samples were never tested, a loophole in Mayweather’s USADA contract would have allowed testing to continue without the positive “A” sample results being reported to Mayweather’s opponent or the Nevada State Athletic Commission.

Don't you realise, Floyd Mayweather is cleaning up the sport of boxing? Setting an example with customized USADA contracts to his liking, ones that allow for secret exemptions on whatever banned substance or method he feels like using.

[caldo2025]

[quote="koolkc107"]
By the way, I meant to say:

You are NOT a dumb person so let's stop with the comedy. Your boy is dirty and if USADA wants to save face at this point, they will send one of these 3 failed tests in for CIR like they SHOULD HAVE and according to their bylaws. CIR tests can be done after the fact so Floyd's samples from these 3 tests are somewhere in the lab awaiting verification.

For real. Sorry about that.

[tiny_acres]

I have come to the conclusion that every top boxer cheats to some extent.
I have also come to the conclusion that most fans only see the fighters they hate as the cheaters.

[SFW]

I have come to the conclusion that every top boxer cheats to some extent.
I have also come to the conclusion that most fans only see the fighters they hate as the cheaters.

Agreed.

For some, like our obsessive diluted friend Brut, it has become a sickness. He has somehow performed mitosis and split off into multiple beings, all of which interact and cheerlead each other, almost as if their taken seriously. Unfortunately, he doesn't have half the brain power or impact he thinks he has, and is almost due for another banishment. Prayers for Brut, all of them

[koolkc107]

There are some major inconsistencies with the CIR testing for this fight. Let's say that USADA sent the correct urine samples to be tested and that may be a stretch to assume that was done on the up and up. Let's assume that there was no improprieties involved and Floyd's urine was put through Carbon Isotope Ratio testing, you are crazy to think that this means either guy was clean. While most of the current tests administered will detect if the person is currently on PEDS, CIR will go back SEVERAL DAYS further than the other tests and detect . SEVERAL DAYS.

CIR/IRMS is the best testing we have today. It detects synthetic testosterone, HGH, and EPO. Take a look at when samples where taken:

(from Kevin Iole)
Mayweather gave urine on March 13, 18, 19 and 28, April 2, 10, 15, 21 and 27 and May 1 and 2. He gave blood samples on March 13, 18 and 28, April 2, 10, 15 and 21 and May 2.
Somebody explain how Floyd used a PED and had it go undetected given this testing regimen, and knowing EVERY urine sample had CIR/IRMS testing done to it. Cheating without getting caught was just not possible.


The benefits of PEDs is greatest when the user has been off the drugs for a significant period of time. So they started taking urine back in March. Floyd could have been taking the drug up until February and peak in May. That's how the drug works. It's actually perfect timing.

Actually, I am just not willing to take your word on this. I hear so much about folks having to stay in cycles and that enough time off of steroids and the gains begin to reverse themselves. Please provide documentation for this assertion.

Since USADA was doing the testing though, all reliability is gone. Read below and tell me that we can trust ANY of the information coming out of USADA at this point? What's your opinion of the information below, KC?


As reported by this writer on MaxBoxing in Dec. 2012, information filtered through the drug-testing community on May 20, 2012 to the effect that Mayweather had tested positive on three occasions for an illegal performance-enhancing drug. More specifically, it was rumored that Mayweather’s “A” sample had tested positive three times and, after each positive test, USADA had given Floyd an inadvertent use waiver. These waivers, if they were in fact given, would have negated the need to test Floyd’s “B” samples. And because the “B” samples were never tested, a loophole in Mayweather’s USADA contract would have allowed testing to continue without the positive “A” sample results being reported to Mayweather’s opponent or the Nevada State Athletic Commission.


This is how I know you didn't even bother to read the USADA answer to Hauser's article. They addressed the phantom "positive A sample'. In a nutshell, it never happened. And FYI, there is no such thing as an "inadvertent use waiver", at least not with WADA signatories. In addition, Mayweather has had an "athlete biological passport" with USADA since he began using them for testing. This is above and beyond what most boxers do (I'm not even sure Donaire employed this, and Nonito is the acknowledged gold standard when it comes to testing).

You are a dumb person so let's stop with the comedy. Your boy is dirty and if USADA wants to save face at this point, they will send one of these 3 failed tests in for CIR like they SHOULD HAVE and according to their bylaws. CIR tests can be done after the fact so Floyd's samples from these 3 tests are somewhere in the lab awaiting verification.

You have no point with this post at all. Paulie hates Manny and has clearly stated his opinion of the man so he's the last person i would listen to about Manny. Thanks though and nice try

Everything that has been reported, all information available points much more heavily to Mayweather being clean than anything else.
If you have something more than speculation to cite, feel free to do so.

[koolkc107]

By the way, I meant to say:

You are NOT a dumb person so let's stop with the comedy. Your boy is dirty and if USADA wants to save face at this point, they will send one of these 3 failed tests in for CIR like they SHOULD HAVE and according to their bylaws. CIR tests can be done after the fact so Floyd's samples from these 3 tests are somewhere in the lab awaiting verification.

For real. Sorry about that.

Thank you for the correction.
And, even though you are wrong, I do appreciate you trying to actually back up what you are saying.
To me, that is what these boards are for, folks disagreeing while not forgetting we both love our sport.

[Pureist]

Funny thing is toradol is legal by WADA, IV injections and 750ml of saline isn't, shouldn't this thread be called deflection from floyd

[zojo]

What constitutes as "cheating" in professional boxing?

- Taking a drug that will give you an advantage, but is not against the rules?

- Weigh in at 140 lbs 36 hours before a fight, but step in the ring at 162 lbs for your "junior welterweight" fight?

- Purposely don't make weight, knowing that the punishment is not that bad if it means bigger future earnings with a win?

- Fighting complete no hopers to build a record?

- Having a manager and promoter of a boxer being the same person?

- Having members of a boxer's stable moonlighting as an official (like a judge)?

- A prospect gets upset. No foul was committed during the fight. However, rather than getting an "L" oh the prospect's record, the fight becomes recognized as a "NC"?

[Datsue]

I have come to the conclusion that every top boxer cheats to some extent.
I have also come to the conclusion that most fans only see the fighters they hate as the cheaters.

Agreed.

For some, like our obsessive diluted friend Brut, it has become a sickness. He has somehow performed mitosis and split off into multiple beings, all of which interact and cheerlead each other, almost as if their taken seriously. Unfortunately, he doesn't have half the brain power or impact he thinks he has, and is almost due for another banishment. Prayers for Brut, all of them

[koolkc107]

I have come to the conclusion that every top boxer cheats to some extent.
I have also come to the conclusion that most fans only see the fighters they hate as the cheaters.

Agreed.

For some, like our obsessive diluted friend Brut, it has become a sickness. He has somehow performed mitosis and split off into multiple beings, all of which interact and cheerlead each other, almost as if their taken seriously. Unfortunately, he doesn't have half the brain power or impact he thinks he has, and is almost due for another banishment. Prayers for Brut, all of them

I disagree, tiny.

I think some boxers, like Nonito and Floyd, are clean and willing to prove it.
No one is pointing out an obvious fact with the latest manufactured controversy involving Floyd.
Floyd only applied to USADA for the TUE to remain WADA compliant. But they were already aware thru the DCO
that no violation took place.

So, if Floyd NEVER applies for the TUE, do you think USADA or WADA would have tried to sanction him?

In other words, Mayweather could have simply shut up and no one would be able to confirm anything for certain.

Some folks have no problem being transparent.

As to you, SFW, you are hopeless.

All you need to do is ask a mod if I have multiple accounts.

Then, when he tells you I do not, contemplate what that says about YOU

[uptconnect]

Even though both guys are near afterthoughts in the sport at this point, people still run around here sniping at each other and battling on behalf of Pac/Floyd like the Hatfields and McCoys.
That's funny to me.
Let it go.

[Tanzio]

I have come to the conclusion that every top boxer cheats to some extent.
I have also come to the conclusion that most fans only see the fighters they hate as the cheaters.

Agreed.

For some, like our obsessive diluted friend Brut, it has become a sickness. He has somehow performed mitosis and split off into multiple beings, all of which interact and cheerlead each other, almost as if their taken seriously. Unfortunately, he doesn't have half the brain power or impact he thinks he has, and is almost due for another banishment. Prayers for Brut, all of them

I disagree, tiny.

I think some boxers, like Nonito and Floyd, are clean and willing to prove it.
No one is pointing out an obvious fact with the latest manufactured controversy involving Floyd.
Floyd only applied to USADA for the TUE to remain WADA compliant. But they were already aware thru the DCO
that no violation took place.

So, if Floyd NEVER applies for the TUE, do you think USADA or WADA would have tried to sanction him?

In other words, Mayweather could have simply shut up and no one would be able to confirm anything for certain.

Some folks have no problem being transparent.

As to you, SFW, you are hopeless.

All you need to do is ask a mod if I have multiple accounts.

Then, when he tells you I do not, contemplate what that says about YOU

Weren't you the one who informed us that you have a minimum of "six computing devices?"

[SFW]

Ugh.. That was brutal

[koolkc107]

How many devices is irrelevant.

The mods can tell if someone has multiple accounts.

Ask one.

[Ricky_]

How many devices is irrelevant.

The mods can tell if someone has multiple accounts.

Ask one.

So what you're saying is we are wrong to ASSume you're Brut?

[koolkc107]

How many devices is irrelevant.

The mods can tell if someone has multiple accounts.

Ask one.

So what you're saying is we are wrong to ASSume you're Brut?

Do you ever give any though to how your posts make you look beforehand?

[Ricky_]

Do you ever give any though to how your posts make you look beforehand?

Sorry, this is not a valid sentence.

[Tanzio]

How many devices is irrelevant.

The mods can tell if someone has multiple accounts.

Ask one.

Don't feign naïveté.

[Bobbyptsd]

I was just about to ask where brut is, he should be all over threads like these. I suppose I am given to understand that he actually is here, just not in a form I recognize.

I'm kind of afraid, truth be told. If brut can ninja the forum like this, who knows where he really is? I might open my fridge, and what I thought was jam? That was brut. Now I have brut all over my toast, telling me I'm gay because I criticized Floyd Mayweather. And that's just weird at the best of times.

[Counter-puncher]

I was just about to ask where brut is, he should be all over threads like these. I suppose I am given to understand that he actually is here, just not in a form I recognize.

I'm kind of afraid, truth be told. If brut can ninja the forum like this, who knows where he really is? I might open my fridge, and what I thought was jam? That was brut. Now I have brut all over my toast, telling me I'm gay because I criticized Floyd Mayweather. And that's just weird at the best of times.

[punchoutsb]

I was just about to ask where brut is, he should be all over threads like these. I suppose I am given to understand that he actually is here, just not in a form I recognize.

I'm kind of afraid, truth be told. If brut can ninja the forum like this, who knows where he really is? I might open my fridge, and what I thought was jam? That was brut. Now I have brut all over my toast, telling me I'm gay because I criticized Floyd Mayweather. And that's just weird at the best of times.

[Butterbean]

Kool aint brut, guys. Come on. Be nice.
Me thinks he is the freak child of brut and bnovs...

Serious dude. A video by a guy, hired by floyd, on youtube, tells the truth ?

[koolkc107]

Kool aint brut, guys. Come on. Be nice.
Me thinks he is the freak child of brut and bnovs...

Serious dude. A video by a guy, hired by floyd, on youtube, tells the truth ?

The truth as THAT guy sees it, yes.

I am looking for the vids by the guys who think Toradol is a good idea.

You find some, post them.

That is what this is for, to get everyone's view, no matter how crazy, a fair hearing.

Some folks say truth can be found this way...