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Posted: **05 Oct 2015, 20:22**

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:You can laugh at that statement all you want but someday, really soon, this could be THE reality.

If you strip away the bravado and the act, what do you have? Just a dynamic boxer with unmatched hand-speed and newly found power that could trample the 140lb scene in a big way. During an ugly loss against Porter in has last fight, I think that he learned an invaluable lesson in that last round when he showed Porter the canvas for the first time in his career: that when he presses on the gas, there's really no one that can hang him. As much as I hate to admit it, I think that he's right. Broner was absolutely brilliant Saturday night. He displayed power and speed unlike that we have seen from him or anybody really. His head is on straight and he is putting in the work and I just think that means some serious issues for the rest of boxing.

He's only 26 years old and already has 4 World Titles...mock him all you want, this kid is going to demolish anything in his path from here on out.
Are you serious he is the MOST UNDESERVING 4 TIME WORLD CHAMPION IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING,,WHAT A JOKE 4 TIME WORLD CHAMP

4 time contender with a belt.

Posted: **05 Oct 2015, 22:01**

The Revival wrote:
ClivePatrickLyons wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:You can laugh at that statement all you want but someday, really soon, this could be THE reality.

If you strip away the bravado and the act, what do you have? Just a dynamic boxer with unmatched hand-speed and newly found power that could trample the 140lb scene in a big way. During an ugly loss against Porter in has last fight, I think that he learned an invaluable lesson in that last round when he showed Porter the canvas for the first time in his career: that when he presses on the gas, there's really no one that can hang him. As much as I hate to admit it, I think that he's right. Broner was absolutely brilliant Saturday night. He displayed power and speed unlike that we have seen from him or anybody really. His head is on straight and he is putting in the work and I just think that means some serious issues for the rest of boxing.

He's only 26 years old and already has 4 World Titles...mock him all you want, this kid is going to demolish anything in his path from here on out.
Are you serious he is the MOST UNDESERVING 4 TIME WORLD CHAMPION IN THE HISTORY OF BOXING,,WHAT A JOKE 4 TIME WORLD CHAMP
4 time contender with a belt.

If you combined 140-147 he's not even a top 10-12 fighter. Let that marinate.

Posted: **05 Oct 2015, 22:02**

Rexob wrote:
reggaereggae wrote:The biggest pudendum in boxing that's foot sure....
4 world titles and a multi millionaire yeah, a total c.unt?

Since when did holding world titles and being rich stop you from being a c.unt?

Posted: **05 Oct 2015, 22:07**

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:
In the ring, Broner made 1 big mistake, fighting at 147. 140 and under, Broner is a tough night for anyone.
I don't know about p4p, but I could see 2016 ending with Broner being #1 at 140, which is saying a lot.

I fail to see how this is possible when he shares a weight division with a fighter, I'm sure you'll agree, is potentially a p4p king in the making

Posted: **05 Oct 2015, 22:16**

caldo2025 wrote:You can laugh at that statement all you want but someday, really soon, this could be THE reality.

If you strip away the bravado and the act, what do you have? Just a dynamic boxer with unmatched hand-speed and newly found power that could trample the 140lb scene in a big way. During an ugly loss against Porter in has last fight, I think that he learned an invaluable lesson in that last round when he showed Porter the canvas for the first time in his career: that when he presses on the gas, there's really no one that can hang him. As much as I hate to admit it, I think that he's right. Broner was absolutely brilliant Saturday night. He displayed power and speed unlike that we have seen from him or anybody really. His head is on straight and he is putting in the work and I just think that means some serious issues for the rest of boxing.

He's only 26 years old and already has 4 World Titles...mock him all you want, this kid is going to demolish anything in his path from here on out.

Just yesterday I defended Broner on another thread and said he deserves more credit than he gets and could be a lot better if he was more committed and worked harder in and out of the ring.

But this OP is just drivel mate, utter drivel.

The guy has skills, but not on the level he seems to think,
he has fast hands.... but unmatched hand speed? come on now, there's a few out there could match if not beat him to the punch.
He hit's hard, but he's not a top ten p4p puncher and not even near as heavy handed as he seemed when he was draining to 130 to fight significantly lighter opponents.

The guy has achieved a lot, but there is justified criticism of the way he has achieved what he has so far, that's not to say it deserves no credit, but there will be few in the history of the sport could be a less deserving 4 weight world champion.

I genuinely feel there is room for improvement, if he screws his head on, works hard and cuts out the bullshit he could go on to be a top fighter but he'll never be p4p no1, never!

Posted: **05 Oct 2015, 22:24**

davie wrote:
BAD INTENTIONS wrote:
In the ring, Broner made 1 big mistake, fighting at 147. 140 and under, Broner is a tough night for anyone.
I don't know about p4p, but I could see 2016 ending with Broner being #1 at 140, which is saying a lot.
I fail to see how this is possible when he shares a weight division with a fighter, I'm sure you'll agree, is potentially a p4p king in the making

Plus multiple other guys who could kick his ass. Including one who just lost the same day he won his last fight. Matthysse though losing to Postol would still eat Broner up and spit him out.

Posted: **06 Oct 2015, 07:04**

armageto wrote:People who support Broner tend to forget he fought an outgunned Carlos Molina at 140. Molina hadn't fought for a while, since the Khan defeat. Khan stopped him, Broner won a decision where I thought Molina easily could have won 2 or 3 rounds. He then fought the same Taylor the Algeri easily defeated. Broner went life and death and if he didn't get a knockdown in the last round, the fight was a draw. He then fought and easily outboxed Molina.

None of those fights did he display this awesome power or speed. Folks, it's the same Broner as before. He was supposed to learn from the Maidana fight. Now the Porter fight. He just can't beat B+ level and above fighters. Nothing wrong with that. Khabib was a B level guy, but came in not fighting in over a year and only his second fight in two years. He was over-rated barely edging an old Guzman on the cards in a fight that was stopped early. Guzman practically retired after that.

Nice win for Broner Saturday night, but it's more in the same. He can't beat guys that pressure and have power/work rate/pressure. Khabib had none of those assets.

Oh great..here's one of those posts that tries to explain that when fighter A doesn't beat a boxer as badly as Boxer B then that must mean that Boxer B is better than Boxer A...even though they both fighters won. Futile discussion.

My point is that this is a NEW Broner anyhow. Since the 12th round in the Porter fight, we've got a kid that realized some things. I don't care what he did prior to that 12th round, who he beat or who beat him. This is NOT THE SAME BRONER as before or even close to it. The knock on Broner prior to this fight was his punch output. In this fight with Khabib, he more than doubled his total punches compared to the Porter fight.

You are just another person that can't separate the boxer from the act and realize how special this boxer's talents are.

Posted: **06 Oct 2015, 07:10**

diddy wrote:
If you combined 140-147 he's not even a top 10-12 fighter. Let that marinate.

Why don't you throw Middleweight and Super Middleweight in there too while we're at it. Your point would make just as much sense. No one's proclaiming him as the best 147 pounder so what's your point? It's marinated and your point is garbage.

Posted: **06 Oct 2015, 07:22**

jujigatame wrote:
Dude you must be high. Khabib is a good fighter, but he is not even in the same universe as Crawford. Broner has failed whenever he's taken on elite opponents.

You are so goofy and over the top I am starting to think this is a troll thread.

I'm a TC fan but you are the goof if you think he walks through Broner at 140 right now. Let's not forget that Gamboa gave TC everything he could handle and Broner is a whole different animal than Gamboa. Bigger, stronger, faster...you all better get used to Broner atop of things at 140. He's not going away.

Posted: **06 Oct 2015, 08:50**

caldo2025 wrote:You can laugh at that statement all you want but someday, really soon, this could be THE reality.

If you strip away the bravado and the act, what do you have? Just a dynamic boxer with unmatched hand-speed and newly found power that could trample the 140lb scene in a big way. During an ugly loss against Porter in has last fight, I think that he learned an invaluable lesson in that last round when he showed Porter the canvas for the first time in his career: that when he presses on the gas, there's really no one that can hang him. As much as I hate to admit it, I think that he's right. Broner was absolutely brilliant Saturday night. He displayed power and speed unlike that we have seen from him or anybody really. His head is on straight and he is putting in the work and I just think that means some serious issues for the rest of boxing.

He's only 26 years old and already has 4 World Titles...mock him all you want, this kid is going to demolish anything in his path from here on out.

unmatched handspeed

...garry russel, vasyl, khan and gamboa are all faster than him!!

power, he beat a nobody and his power his great, but only at super low divisions, at light welter his power is b level.

adrien when he is trained is a good boxer, but not more, only good, not very good. crawford and postol beat him and as far as thurman or brook go, dont even ask.

Posted: **06 Oct 2015, 10:20**

caldo2025 wrote:
jujigatame wrote:
Dude you must be high. Khabib is a good fighter, but he is not even in the same universe as Crawford. Broner has failed whenever he's taken on elite opponents.

You are so goofy and over the top I am starting to think this is a troll thread.
I'm a TC fan but you are the goof if you think he walks through Broner at 140 right now. Let's not forget that Gamboa gave TC everything he could handle and Broner is a whole different animal than Gamboa. Bigger, stronger, faster...you all better get used to Broner atop of things at 140. He's not going away.

I dunno if he "walks through him" but Crawford almost certainly beats Broner right now. I'd probably pick Peterson over Broner right now too even though that's closer to a 50/50 fight.

Posted: **06 Oct 2015, 11:25**

Chepppaaa wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:You can laugh at that statement all you want but someday, really soon, this could be THE reality.

If you strip away the bravado and the act, what do you have? Just a dynamic boxer with unmatched hand-speed and newly found power that could trample the 140lb scene in a big way. During an ugly loss against Porter in has last fight, I think that he learned an invaluable lesson in that last round when he showed Porter the canvas for the first time in his career: that when he presses on the gas, there's really no one that can hang him. As much as I hate to admit it, I think that he's right. Broner was absolutely brilliant Saturday night. He displayed power and speed unlike that we have seen from him or anybody really. His head is on straight and he is putting in the work and I just think that means some serious issues for the rest of boxing.

He's only 26 years old and already has 4 World Titles...mock him all you want, this kid is going to demolish anything in his path from here on out.

unmatched handspeed ...garry russel, vasyl, khan and gamboa are all faster than him!!

power, he beat a nobody and his power his great, but only at super low divisions, at light welter his power is b level.

adrien when he is trained is a good boxer, but not more, only good, not very good. crawford and postol beat him and as far as thurman or brook go, dont even ask.

Oh I forgot...at 26 years old, a boxer can't get better. I completely forgot about that, Chep. So Broner will only be as good as the two losses he had and no boxer could ever learn from those losses right? The Broner I saw Saturday night was unlike any of the Broners I've seen and I've seen most of his fights. If you think that his talent is a dime a dozen then you have no idea how to analyze talent. Zero.

Posted: **06 Oct 2015, 11:31**

jujigatame wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:
jujigatame wrote:
Dude you must be high. Khabib is a good fighter, but he is not even in the same universe as Crawford. Broner has failed whenever he's taken on elite opponents.

You are so goofy and over the top I am starting to think this is a troll thread.
I'm a TC fan but you are the goof if you think he walks through Broner at 140 right now. Let's not forget that Gamboa gave TC everything he could handle and Broner is a whole different animal than Gamboa. Bigger, stronger, faster...you all better get used to Broner atop of things at 140. He's not going away.
I dunno if he "walks through him" but Crawford almost certainly beats Broner right now. I'd probably pick Peterson over Broner right now too even though that's closer to a 50/50 fight.

Broner will not get outclassed at 140 lbs. If he shows up well trained and with his head on straight like Saturday Night, no one will have an easy time beating him. Sure, he's too small for the 147 pounders these days. Broner was 138.5 for this recent fight and that tells me that he trained hard and he's focused. If he maintains this type o work ethic and that's a big IF then you guys can say all that you want and judge him for fights years ago, but he can defeat anyone in the world at 140 and I wouldn't bet against him.

Posted: **06 Oct 2015, 11:59**

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:You're never going to get a fair response about Broner here.

Many people on this site hate Broner simply because he is not "their kind of funny". His action are of "poor taste".
I have ZERO tolerance for Tyson Fury's brand of comedy. Yet, many people here defend all of his childish stupidity.
I watched the Batman thing thinking no adult in the world would find it funny or amusing or sensible. But ...
Instead of hating Tyson Fury because his definition of humor is annoying to me, I ignore his antics because they aren't for me.

In the ring, Broner made 1 big mistake, fighting at 147. 140 and under, Broner is a tough night for anyone.
I don't know about p4p, but I could see 2016 ending with Broner being #1 at 140, which is saying a lot.

#1? And how exactly do you see Broner beating Crawford?

Posted: **06 Oct 2015, 12:03**

caldo2025 wrote:
jujigatame wrote:
Dude you must be high. Khabib is a good fighter, but he is not even in the same universe as Crawford. Broner has failed whenever he's taken on elite opponents.

You are so goofy and over the top I am starting to think this is a troll thread.
I'm a TC fan but you are the goof if you think he walks through Broner at 140 right now. Let's not forget that Gamboa gave TC everything he could handle and Broner is a whole different animal than Gamboa. Bigger, stronger, faster...you all better get used to Broner atop of things at 140. He's not going away.

But one thing's Gamboa was that Broner is not and cannot be is very unorthodox from weird angles and that is what was giving Crawford trouble. Crawford needed time to figure him out. Broner is very predictable and easy to figure out.

Posted: **06 Oct 2015, 12:08**

caldo2025 wrote:
Broner will not get outclassed at 140 lbs. If he shows up well trained and with his head on straight like Saturday Night, no one will have an easy time beating him. Sure, he's too small for the 147 pounders these days. Broner was 138.5 for this recent fight and that tells me that he trained hard and he's focused. If he maintains this type o work ethic and that's a big IF then you guys can say all that you want and judge him for fights years ago, but he can defeat anyone in the world at 140 and I wouldn't bet against him.

And he'll have the same problem with Crawford as Crawford at 140 is naturally still much bigger than Broner. Crawford could end up at 154 when it's said and done.

Posted: **06 Oct 2015, 12:08**

caldo2025 wrote:
Chepppaaa wrote:
caldo2025 wrote:You can laugh at that statement all you want but someday, really soon, this could be THE reality.

If you strip away the bravado and the act, what do you have? Just a dynamic boxer with unmatched hand-speed and newly found power that could trample the 140lb scene in a big way. During an ugly loss against Porter in has last fight, I think that he learned an invaluable lesson in that last round when he showed Porter the canvas for the first time in his career: that when he presses on the gas, there's really no one that can hang him. As much as I hate to admit it, I think that he's right. Broner was absolutely brilliant Saturday night. He displayed power and speed unlike that we have seen from him or anybody really. His head is on straight and he is putting in the work and I just think that means some serious issues for the rest of boxing.

He's only 26 years old and already has 4 World Titles...mock him all you want, this kid is going to demolish anything in his path from here on out.

unmatched handspeed ...garry russel, vasyl, khan and gamboa are all faster than him!!

power, he beat a nobody and his power his great, but only at super low divisions, at light welter his power is b level.

adrien when he is trained is a good boxer, but not more, only good, not very good. crawford and postol beat him and as far as thurman or brook go, dont even ask.
Oh I forgot...at 26 years old, a boxer can't get better. I completely forgot about that, Chep. So Broner will only be as good as the two losses he had and no boxer could ever learn from those losses right? The Broner I saw Saturday night was unlike any of the Broners I've seen and I've seen most of his fights. If you think that his talent is a dime a dozen then you have no idea how to analyze talent. Zero.

ab is a good talent. and sure, he looked good against that journeyman. i think he could do a lot with his athletiscm and speed, sadly he is so weak. and no, you cant build a strong punch.

broner a whole different animal than gamboa, are you out of your mind?

who is more athletic? gamboa

who is faster? gamboa

who punches harder? gamboa

who has better footwork? gamboa

who has better technic? gamboa

gamboa was actualy schooling crawford, before doing a dumb tactic and that is, brawling with a more powerful opponent, other than that gamboa would have easily UD crawford. crawford f&/(s up broner bad.

Posted: **06 Oct 2015, 13:21**

Just watching the Khabib fight now and after 4 rounds I don't see any difference from when Broner was bullying the guys at 130 and 135, his defence is still sh1t when Khabib actually throws more then 1 punch he lands then Broner resorts to pushing him away with his elbows (which the ref warns him for) he still holds when under pressure. Luckily for Broner Khabib doesn't have any pop at all and fought the wrong plan. If he had unmatched power and speed by ANYONE he would have had Khabib out of there before the 12th or at least had him on the canvas.

Broner has only ever looked good when fighting below world level and every time he stepped up he lost convincingly. I can easily see Peterson outworking him, Crawford would do what ever he wants to him it would be like a cat playing with a mouse.

Caldo cocaine is a hell of a drug.

Posted: **06 Oct 2015, 14:15**

digzee wrote:Just watching the Khabib fight now and after 4 rounds I don't see any difference from when Broner was bullying the guys at 130 and 135, his defence is still sh1t when Khabib actually throws more then 1 punch he lands then Broner resorts to pushing him away with his elbows (which the ref warns him for) he still holds when under pressure. Luckily for Broner Khabib doesn't have any pop at all and fought the wrong plan. If he had unmatched power and speed by ANYONE he would have had Khabib out of there before the 12th or at least had him on the canvas.

Broner has only ever looked good when fighting below world level and every time he stepped up he lost convincingly. I can easily see Peterson outworking him, Crawford would do what ever he wants to him it would be like a cat playing with a mouse.

Caldo cocaine is a hell of a drug.

You guys are all nutso and just refuse to give a boxer his due just because he happens to be a dink of a person. I don't like the guy either but I can appreciate a special talent when I see one unlike you tarts. You seem to think boxers never get better. Here we have a 26 year old boxer that in your eyes can never improve right? He'll always just be the guy that couldn't get it done against Maidana and Porter. So why even continue fighting?

I also love how you guys say Broner doesn't deserve any of the 4 world titles he's got but what about your boy Crawford? Did he deserve to have a title shot in his very first fight back at 140lbs? Khabib is a much better fighter than Dulorme, the guy that Crawford beat for the WBO vacancy title so whats your argument there?

What about Crawfords first title victory over Ricky Burns? Was he an elite fighter? Some of the greatest fighters in history beat chumps for world titles through vacated belts and whatnot. But Broners were especially cheap somehow?

A bunch of hypocrites. Pathetic.

Posted: **06 Oct 2015, 14:32**

Chepppaaa wrote: ab is a good talent. and sure, he looked good against that journeyman. i think he could do a lot with his athletiscm and speed, sadly he is so weak. and no, you cant build a strong punch.

broner a whole different animal than gamboa, are you out of your mind?

who is more athletic? gamboa

who is faster? gamboa

who punches harder? gamboa

who has better footwork? gamboa

who has better technic? gamboa

gamboa was actualy schooling crawford, before doing a dumb tactic and that is, brawling with a more powerful opponent, other than that gamboa would have easily UD crawford. crawford f&/(s up broner bad.

Who the heck says? Broner is a MUCH better all around fighter than Gamboa. Gamboa can't even stay on his fight fighting mediocre boxers at 124-134lbs and you think he's got better footwork and is that much better than Broner?

Here's how ridiculous you are....Gamboa has been knocked down 9 times in 24 professional fights. 9 times and by little light punching super featherweights and featherweight fighters. And you want to compare him to Broner? Broner's skills, all around, are so much better than Gamboa. Your argument is pathetic..per usual.

I'm still laughing....

Posted: **06 Oct 2015, 14:37**

Broner has a better chin than Gamboa of course but that doesn't mean he has a better skill set than Gamboa. Some fighters have better gifts or traits than others. Two totally different fighters. I consider Gamboa a more gifted fighter personally. To me Broner is a top 5 guy at 140 but at 147 he is somewhere in the top 10 I believe. Broner is a great fighter no doubt but I really doubt he will become the best fighter in boxing with all the flaws he currently has. Let's remember he looked good against Khabib who was coming off a 1 1/2 year or two year lay off. Good win nonetheless

Posted: **06 Oct 2015, 14:40**

Broner deserved praise for the win although IMO the stoppage was pretty soft but for me he seems to be developing into a pot shotter,he's always been kinda compared to Mayweather but Floyd tailored his style as he got older,Broner has nowhere near Mayweather's talent but if he's gonna model himself on him then why not prime Floyd?

he hasnt got the talent,ring smarts or accuracy to dominate top level opposition the way Floyd does by keeping his workrate minimul,he needs to be busier and stop being so 1 paced,if someone could teach him how to box and read a fight then he can become a great fighter but until then he's always gonna falter at top level

Posted: **06 Oct 2015, 14:46**

handsofstone wrote:Broner deserved praise for the win although IMO the stoppage was pretty soft but for me he seems to be developing into a pot shotter,he's always been kinda compared to Mayweather but Floyd tailored his style as he got older,Broner has nowhere near Mayweather's talent but if he's gonna model himself on him then why not prime Floyd?

he hasnt got the talent,ring smarts or accuracy to dominate top level opposition the way Floyd does by keeping his workrate minimul,he needs to be busier and stop being so 1 paced,if someone could teach him how to box and read a fight then he can become a great fighter but until then he's always gonna falter at top level

Couldn't have said it any better myself. I agree

Posted: **06 Oct 2015, 16:34**

handsofstone wrote:Broner deserved praise for the win although IMO the stoppage was pretty soft but for me he seems to be developing into a pot shotter,he's always been kinda compared to Mayweather but Floyd tailored his style as he got older,Broner has nowhere near Mayweather's talent but if he's gonna model himself on him then why not prime Floyd?

he hasnt got the talent,ring smarts or accuracy to dominate top level opposition the way Floyd does by keeping his workrate minimul,he needs to be busier and stop being so 1 paced,if someone could teach him how to box and read a fight then he can become a great fighter but until then he's always gonna falter at top level

No way, you're saying that Broner at 26 is not as talented as quite possibly the greatest fighter in the history of the game, Floyd at the end of his career? Bro, that is some earth shattering news right there. Did you break it yourself?

Floyd only had 2 world titles by the time he was 26. Broner has 4. Why don't we be a little more responsible and compare the 26 year old Floyd to the 26 year old Broner. Don't you think that would be a little better use of a comparison instead of comparing the 49-0 Floyd to the 26 year old Broner?

Just another ridiculous comment from the Broner haters.

Posted: **06 Oct 2015, 16:40**

caldo2025 wrote:
armageto wrote:People who support Broner tend to forget he fought an outgunned Carlos Molina at 140. Molina hadn't fought for a while, since the Khan defeat. Khan stopped him, Broner won a decision where I thought Molina easily could have won 2 or 3 rounds. He then fought the same Taylor the Algeri easily defeated. Broner went life and death and if he didn't get a knockdown in the last round, the fight was a draw. He then fought and easily outboxed Molina.

None of those fights did he display this awesome power or speed. Folks, it's the same Broner as before. He was supposed to learn from the Maidana fight. Now the Porter fight. He just can't beat B+ level and above fighters. Nothing wrong with that. Khabib was a B level guy, but came in not fighting in over a year and only his second fight in two years. He was over-rated barely edging an old Guzman on the cards in a fight that was stopped early. Guzman practically retired after that.

Nice win for Broner Saturday night, but it's more in the same. He can't beat guys that pressure and have power/work rate/pressure. Khabib had none of those assets.
Oh great..here's one of those posts that tries to explain that when fighter A doesn't beat a boxer as badly as Boxer B then that must mean that Boxer B is better than Boxer A...even though they both fighters won. Futile discussion.

My point is that this is a NEW Broner anyhow. Since the 12th round in the Porter fight, we've got a kid that realized some things. I don't care what he did prior to that 12th round, who he beat or who beat him. This is NOT THE SAME BRONER as before or even close to it. The knock on Broner prior to this fight was his punch output. In this fight with Khabib, he more than doubled his total punches compared to the Porter fight.

You are just another person that can't separate the boxer from the act and realize how special this boxer's talents are.

He's clearly been defeated by Maidana, Porter, and should have lost to Ponce. My point was simple. He's already fought at 140, with sub par results. He now takes on a rusty, over rated fighter, needs the ref to pull the plug with a few seconds left for the KO, and he's the man at 140? Postol's stock got way more of a boost, past Broner's easily, to claim a top spot at 140.

This IS the same Broner. He excels against people with no power, poor work rate, and no pressure. Paulie almost beat him (Some thought he did) just off work rate alone. It's the same Broner, and once he steps up, he'll show it. He basically said he's not taking on tough fights at the end of his fight. He knows what he is, and most of the board does. Sadly, you don't......

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