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hhaehre wrote:

tagjohnson wrote:Where is this Quarry couldn't take a punch coming from?

Beats me, he had an excellent chin and could take single shots from pretty much anyone.

It comes from the over imaginative minds of casual boxing observers. Anyone who takes the time to observe him get hit from some of the best can quickly assess beyond that leap of nonsensical assumption. Now at some point he may well have started to deteriorate.... and become more prone...but he was never chinny. I don't the Chuvalo had him out...that was a ref, and frankly Quarry duh moment. Especially Jerry...just plain goofy work on his and corners part. In his very last fight, his opponent had open season on his chin....and although it was sickening to watch....he took it pretty well.

I'd say Patterson had nailed him dead to rights with some shots that took out Moore, Ingemar and some others.

Frazier hit him quite a few times with plenty of squared up dead on the money shots.....eventually they caught up with Jerry....but I don't think anyone else could have done better absorbing that brand of incoming. Frazier never caught Ali with that sort of flushing.....and if he would have, I'm not sure he would have made out any better. And I don't think anyone questions Muhammad's credentials in that area.

I posted some scorecards in this thread

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... rt=700#top

The 3 Gerry's challenge

Frazier vs Jerry Quarry 1

1. 9 - 10 Quarry
2. 9 - 10 Quarry
3. 10 - 9 Frazier
4. 10 - 9 Frazier
5. 10 - 9 Frazier
6. 10 - 9 Frazier
7. 10 - 9 Frazier

Not sure this was a FOTY. But a good hard scrap regardless.

I've said before, if I were a boxer, if there was one man in the history of boxing I wouldn't have liked to share a ring with, it's Joe Frazier
Must be sickening trying to deter him

Holmes vs Gerry Cooney

1. 10 - 9 Holmes
2. 10 - 8 Holmes
3. 9 - 10 Cooney
4. 9 - 10 Cooney
5. 9 - 10 Cooney
6. 10 - 9 Holmes
7. 9 - 10 Cooney
8. 9 - 10 Cooney
9. 10 - 10 Even (-2 for low blows)
10. 9 - 10 Cooney
11. 10 - 9 Holmes (-1 for low blow)
12. 10 - 9 Holmes
13. The trainer probably did the right thing here, Cooney just didn't seem to want to go down but his legs were gone.

I had this one pretty much a pick em fight if it had been a 12 rounder. Holmes the more hurtful when he got his right hand through but Cooney fought the better fight for me. Take away the low blows and I've got it level at 114-114.
The ref wasn't very obvious taking those points away, I wouldn't have noticed if the commentary didn't mention it.

Anyone else think Cooney looks a bit like Tyson Fury?
Tall, ungainly, awkward punching style, claims to be Irish, a soft build and crap 80's short (Gerry has an excuse for that though)

Weaver vs Gerrie Coetzee

1. 10 - 9 Coetzee
2. 10 - 10 Even
3. 10 - 9 Coetzee
4. 10 - 9 Coetzee
5. 10 - 9 Coetzee
6. 9 - 10 Weaver
7. 9 - 10 Weaver
8. 10 - 8 Coetzee
9. 10 - 9 Coetzee
10. 10 - 9 Coetzee (can I deduct points from Coetzee for holding, this is shocking)
11. 9 - 10 Weaver
12. 9 - 10 Weaver
13. Thank god that's finished

Well the commentry was poor, Angelo Dundee in particular was hard work to listen to. The referee had an absolute howler.
Mr Coetzee is officially my least favoutire of the 3 Gerryse challenge
But to top it all Weaver is one of the worst champions I've watched.
Everytime I watch one of those fights for the WBA heavyweight crown, between Ali losing it in 77 and Tyson picking it up ten years later, I understand more and more, why people complained about the lack of competition for Larry Holmes. What a poor bunch they were

Going on the 3 fights I watched, Coetzee doesn't beat either of the other 2 but as someone said earlier in this thread, he does make an interesting match up for Quarry, for as long as it lasts

Comparing Quarry and Cooney is hard, because the Quarry vs Frazier fight was two sluggers standing toe to toe giving each other hell and the Holmes vs Cooney fight was primarily a battle of the jabs.
Not exactly ideal fights for weighing up how they would fare against each other.

In terms of a performance, Cooneys effort was not only the more impressive but he could have won it, but in saying that I don't envy anyone trying to do what Quarry attempted against Frazier

Looking at the resumes, I leaned towards Quarry

Here, I tried to pick a fight where each of them gave their best (losing) performance against a great and on this evidence I favour Cooney to be able to fend off a game Quarry and have the power to stop him.

I'll sit and watch another couple and hopefully watch their best winning performance and see how it sways my opinion, if at all

Cooney was pathetic after the Holmes fight... He was destroyed.

But the Cooney who destroyed Norton certainly beats the Quarry who was destroyed by Norton.. The best Quarry is probably the one who fought Thad Spencer at 22.. The best Cooney was probably the one who fought Young.. Norton never did well with punchers. It was expected he'd get blitzed.

Difficult choice.

Kalan wrote:Cooney was pathetic after the Holmes fight... He was destroyed.

But the Cooney who destroyed Norton certainly beats the Quarry who was destroyed by Norton.. The best Quarry is probably the one who fought Thad Spencer at 22.. The best Cooney was probably the one who fought Young.. Norton never did well with punchers. It was expected he'd get blitzed.

In real time, Jerry was fading by the time Cooney was getting good. So my answer was Cooney.......

But....neither you nor I have mentioned who we think would take a prime vs prime fight. I think Quarry wins.

Who you got? Let me guess....the big guy?

Quarry for me.

BoxBuzz wrote:

Kalan wrote:Cooney was pathetic after the Holmes fight... He was destroyed.

But the Cooney who destroyed Norton certainly beats the Quarry who was destroyed by Norton.. The best Quarry is probably the one who fought Thad Spencer at 22.. The best Cooney was probably the one who fought Young.. Norton never did well with punchers. It was expected he'd get blitzed.

In real time, Jerry was fading by the time Cooney was getting good. So my answer was Cooney.......

But....neither you nor I have mentioned who we think would take a prime vs prime fight. I think Quarry wins.

Who you got? Let me guess....the big guy?

To be fair, I got the big guy too.

I'll watch a bit more of both and get back to you with a better qualified answer however.

Sorry to keep boring you with this shit but here are 3 of Gerry/Jerry/Gerries best wins

Jerry Quarry vs Floyd Patterson II
1. 9 -10 Patterson
2. 10 - 8 Quarry (I had Patterson winning narrowly prior to KD)
3. 10 - 9 Quarry
4. 10 - 8 Quarry
5. 9 -10 Patterson
6. 10 - 9 Quarry
7. 9 -10 Patterson
8. 9 -10 Patterson
9. 9 -10 Patterson
10. 9 -10 Patterson
11. 9 -10 Patterson
12. 9 -10 Patterson

112-114 Patterson. I think if I'd scored it using the old system it would have been wider as I would only have given 1 point for the second round.
Poor decision and the crowd didn't seem happy.
Concerned about a 22 year olds engine when he slows up after the half way mark and I wouldn't say Floyd was setting the hardest pace.
Again, not the ideal comparison to use to see how Quarry would deal with a tall, heavy handed boxer with a good jab like Cooney but I wasn't massively impressed with him here. I'd chosen this one because a win against Petterson, even a faded Patterson is a solid win. But I couldn't give him that one.
Floyd was quite easy on the eye. Think thios was the first I'd watched him in a fight that went past the 6th round and he had a nice style, I'll take in a few of his fights from his younger days, I think he's a fighter I could quite enjoy watching

Gerry Cooney vs Jimmy Young
1. 10 - 9 Cooney
2. 10 - 10 Even
3. 10 - 9 Cooney
4. 10 - 8 Cooney. Ref should have stepped in and stopped that. Young wasn't only fighting blind he was close to going over.

Unlike Patterson, Cooney most certainly does not have a aesthetically pleasing style. But it's effective.
Only Shavers could stop a novice Young, who had gone the distance with many many top fighters. They kept saying Cooney had no right hand but he seemed to have power in both, his right looked awkward but heavy. Watched the Ron Lyle and Ken Norton fights too. Okay both were done but there was obvious power in Cooneys shots


I can only see a Cooney win.
Both are of similar ability in my book, both have their strengths and apparently short comings
But the height and punching power from Cooney would be the telling difference, I don't see Quarry having the skills to overcome that height and reach
I could see Quarry maybe getting inside and rocking him but ultimately taking a fair bit of punishment on route to being knocked out

Gerryy UD

hhaehre wrote:

tagjohnson wrote:Where is this Quarry couldn't take a punch coming from?

Beats me, he had an excellent chin and could take single shots from pretty much anyone.

I have all the respect in the world for J. Quarry as a fighter. He was hugely responsible for me becoming a boxing fan. But I don't think he had a great chin like Bugner, Tex Cobb, or Ali. Sure, he could have likely beaten 2 of those 3, but they all had a better chin. Now Quarry had a much better chin than someone like Duane Bobick, that's for sure.

Tony1244 wrote:

hhaehre wrote:

tagjohnson wrote:Where is this Quarry couldn't take a punch coming from?

Beats me, he had an excellent chin and could take single shots from pretty much anyone.

I have all the respect in the world for J. Quarry as a fighter. He was hugely responsible for me becoming a boxing fan. But I don't think he had a great chin like Bugner, Tex Cobb, or Ali. Sure, he could have likely beaten 2 of those 3, but they all had a better chin. Now Quarry had a much better chin than someone like Duane Bobick, that's for sure.

I think Quarry was certainly a hard man and had a solid chin. But he's not one of these guy who I think would be virtually impossible to knock out.
I just don't see him having the kind of skill set that would allow him to get through to Cooney without shipping regular punishment and I think Cooney bangs hard enough to put down.

I'm thinking midround stoppage

Cooney was overrated as a puncher and underrated as a boxer.

He was overrated as a puncher because he stopped over the hill Lyle, Norton, and Young. But if you look at his other fights like against Leroy Boone, Gerry C. was more of a boxer-puncher.

If Cooney took a better shot he could have come close to outpointing Holmes and that's saying quite a bit because Holmes was a Master boxer.

Tony1244 wrote:Cooney was overrated as a puncher and underrated as a boxer.

He was overrated as a puncher because he stopped over the hill Lyle, Norton, and Young. But if you look at his other fights like against Leroy Boone, Gerry C. was more of a boxer-puncher.

If Cooney took a better shot he could have come close to outpointing Holmes and that's saying quite a bit because Holmes was a Master boxer.

I thought that myself. Which is one of the reasons I don't see Quarry beating him. I don't see Quarry matching a man who came very close to beating Holmes at his best.
I think if it goes the distance, he out boxes Quarry and if there was a stoppage, I can only see it being Cooney too.

It certainly looks like he can bang, I think perhaps his awkward looking punching technique leads you to think he's not punching well. I'm not saying the guy is a heavyweight Julian Jackson, but he looks a hurtful puncher, with his left and right, to the head and body, from the little I've viewed so far

This would have been a battle fought almost exclusively between the ears. Quarry by brutal late rounds KO

davie wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:Cooney was overrated as a puncher and underrated as a boxer.

He was overrated as a puncher because he stopped over the hill Lyle, Norton, and Young. But if you look at his other fights like against Leroy Boone, Gerry C. was more of a boxer-puncher.

If Cooney took a better shot he could have come close to outpointing Holmes and that's saying quite a bit because Holmes was a Master boxer.

I thought that myself. Which is one of the reasons I don't see Quarry beating him. I don't see Quarry matching a man who came very close to beating Holmes at his best.
I think if it goes the distance, he out boxes Quarry and if there was a stoppage, I can only see it being Cooney too.

It certainly looks like he can bang, I think perhaps his awkward looking punching technique leads you to think he's not punching well. I'm not saying the guy is a heavyweight Julian Jackson, but he looks a hurtful puncher, with his left and right, to the head and body, from the little I've viewed so far

It took me a long time to come to my conclusion. Cooney was portrayed at the time as a devastating puncher with limited boxing skill, so I bought into it. While the total opposite is also not true, I agree with you, he was a hurtful puncher, but was no Foreman or Earnie Shavers in that department.

Tony1244 wrote:

davie wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:Cooney was overrated as a puncher and underrated as a boxer.

He was overrated as a puncher because he stopped over the hill Lyle, Norton, and Young. But if you look at his other fights like against Leroy Boone, Gerry C. was more of a boxer-puncher.

If Cooney took a better shot he could have come close to outpointing Holmes and that's saying quite a bit because Holmes was a Master boxer.

I thought that myself. Which is one of the reasons I don't see Quarry beating him. I don't see Quarry matching a man who came very close to beating Holmes at his best.
I think if it goes the distance, he out boxes Quarry and if there was a stoppage, I can only see it being Cooney too.

It certainly looks like he can bang, I think perhaps his awkward looking punching technique leads you to think he's not punching well. I'm not saying the guy is a heavyweight Julian Jackson, but he looks a hurtful puncher, with his left and right, to the head and body, from the little I've viewed so far

It took me a long time to come to my conclusion. Cooney was portrayed at the time as a devastating puncher with limited boxing skill, so I bought into it. While the total opposite is also not true, I agree with you, he was a hurtful puncher, but was no Foreman or Earnie Shavers in that department.

Indeed he wasn't but I think combined with that reach and actually decent boxing skills from what I can see, he would be able to land enough of those hurtful punches on Jerry to get him out of there or make the ref stop him.
If Quarry can get under those long levers and get up close, he makes it interesting
But I don't think Quarry had enough in his locker to do that.
A fighter of similar stature but better, say a Joe Frazier for instance, would have found his way in and roughed up Cooney.
But I don't think Quarry has the movement or sheer force of will to do what Frazier would do against that type of fighter.

He'd get caught in the way in and again, the fella was tough but I'm not sure I'm seeing enough to say he has no neck David Tua punch resistance. I'm fairly sure he'd get stopped, while fairly well behind on the cards. If he went the distance I'm seeing a 116-112 type UD

davie wrote: I thought that myself. Which is one of the reasons I don't see Quarry beating him. I don't see Quarry matching a man who came very close to beating Holmes at his best.
I think if it goes the distance, he out boxes Quarry and if there was a stoppage, I can only see it being Cooney too.

Whenever a fighters best fight is a losing effort, it's a sure sign he wasn't that good. The fact of the matter is that Cooney never beat a top flight contender and unless one of the has beens he fought somehow still had a rating, I don't think he ever beat a ranked fighter. He was however brutally knocked out in a 100% of the fights he had against credible opposition. He is massively overrated, a manufactured fighter if there ever was one. His career was carefully crafted to give him a shot at the title, matched only against cruiserweight non-punchers and washed up fighters. It's amazing that Quarrys chin is questioned but not Cooneys? Quarry could take a punch much better than Cooney, was a better boxer and actually beat a number of top 10 fighters in his day. Quarry had stamina issues but when he was allowed to counter punch at a leisurely pace vs a big lumbering guy, he was very good. Quarry wasn't timid either and I'm sure he could take the odd Cooney left hook early and wear Cooney down for a mid to late round stoppage.

Tony1244 wrote:Cooney was overrated as a puncher and underrated as a boxer.

You're half right

Tony1244 wrote:If Cooney took a better shot he could have come close to outpointing Holmes and that's saying quite a bit because Holmes was a Master boxer.

There is simply no way he could have beaten Holmes, even with the chin of Geroge Chuvalo he'd come up short. He gave a good effort against Holmes but at no point in that fight did I ever think he could win. In the end he won maybe 3 rounds so really not that close imo.

hhaehre wrote:

davie wrote: I thought that myself. Which is one of the reasons I don't see Quarry beating him. I don't see Quarry matching a man who came very close to beating Holmes at his best.
I think if it goes the distance, he out boxes Quarry and if there was a stoppage, I can only see it being Cooney too.

Whenever a fighters best fight is a losing effort, it's a sure sign he wasn't that good. The fact of the matter is that Cooney never beat a top flight contender and unless one of the has beens he fought somehow still had a rating, I don't think he ever beat a ranked fighter. He was however brutally knocked out in a 100% of the fights he had against credible opposition. He is massively overrated, a manufactured fighter if there ever was one. His career was carefully crafted to give him a shot at the title, matched only against cruiserweight non-punchers and washed up fighters. It's amazing that Quarrys chin is questioned but not Cooneys? Quarry could take a punch much better than Cooney, was a better boxer and actually beat a number of top 10 fighters in his day. Quarry had stamina issues but when he was allowed to counter punch at a leisurely pace vs a big lumbering guy, he was very good. Quarry wasn't timid either and I'm sure he could take the odd Cooney left hook early and wear Cooney down for a mid to late round stoppage.

Cooney was kind of like a stock with tremendous promise that never matured. We disagree, on I would have picked Cooney over Quarry. But we agree that Quarry actually beat better people. It wasn't the same Ron Lyle against the 2 GJerrys. Cooney did win only 3-5 rounds against Holmes but that's 3-5 more than anyone would have predicted considering he never really hurt Holmes.