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Re: Fans Of The Little Men Of Boxing : Bantamweight And Under

Posted: 05 Nov 2015, 16:55
by elmersalsa
Panamanian Hilario Zapata should be in the hall of fame. He fought 24 world title bouts between Jr. flyweight and flyweight. I don't know why The IBHOF is taking so long to include him in the hall.

What is the problem?

Re: Fans Of The Little Men Of Boxing : Bantamweight And Under

Posted: 05 Nov 2015, 18:02
by Seamus
Zapata has a strong case. Gushiken got in. Was he really better ?

Re: Fans Of The Little Men Of Boxing : Bantamweight And Under

Posted: 05 Nov 2015, 21:05
by elmersalsa
Seamus wrote:Zapata has a strong case. Gushiken got in. Was he really better ?
Both were outstanding Jr. flyweights, Seamus. I remember Yoko Gushiken. A fine little Japanese world champion with an afro.

Hilario Zapata fought in 24 world title bouts and beat good opponents like Jung Koo Chang and Joey Olivo. That alone should get you in the hall, don't you think?

Re: Fans Of The Little Men Of Boxing : Bantamweight And Under

Posted: 05 Nov 2015, 22:14
by Seamus
19-5-1 in title bouts across 3 weight classes I believe. I'd say that makes a pretty strong argument.

Re: Fans Of The Little Men Of Boxing : Bantamweight And Under

Posted: 06 Nov 2015, 13:30
by giacomino
Zapata and one of the men who beat him, flyweight/jr.bantamweight champion Santos Laciar, one of my favorite fighters of the 1970s and 1980s, should both be in a HOF. Zapata didn't have much of a punch, but he was one of the best pure boxers of that era.

Re: Fans Of The Little Men Of Boxing : Bantamweight And Under

Posted: 06 Nov 2015, 15:39
by palooka
Gilberto Roman was a brilliant little boxer, a very talented jabber and skilled counter puncher, he beat some good fighters.

Re: Fans Of The Little Men Of Boxing : Bantamweight And Under

Posted: 06 Nov 2015, 19:36
by elmersalsa
palooka wrote:Gilberto Roman was a brilliant little boxer, a very talented jabber and skilled counter puncher, he beat some good fighters.
Right on the money! He was one of the most underrated Mexican champions ever. He was one of the all time best at 115lbs class

Re: Fans Of The Little Men Of Boxing : Bantamweight And Under

Posted: 07 Nov 2015, 12:52
by elmersalsa
Behind Mexico's great Ricardo"Finito" Lopez, Thailand's Rattanapol Sowvorapin is the second best strawweight fighter of that class. He was a bad mother!

Re: Fans Of The Little Men Of Boxing : Bantamweight And Under

Posted: 10 Nov 2015, 09:19
by elmersalsa
Thailand has produced terrific champions in boxing throughout the years: Pone Kingpetch, Chartchai Chionoi, Sung Kil Moon and Sot Chitalada. But, the best fighter ever from that country is perhaps Koxai Galaxy. I think he's the first and probably the ONLY ONE, I believe, of the 115lbs class to be inducted into IBHOF in Canastota. He is the greatest super flyweight of all time. He was called in the Far East as "The Thai Tyson". Man, he could bang!

He made about 15 title defenses and won them all. A true all time great of the 100 greatest boxers p4p ever. He was undefeated champ.

Re: Fans Of The Little Men Of Boxing : Bantamweight And Under

Posted: 11 Nov 2015, 22:49
by Seamus
On a related topic, anyone else notice that South Korea stopped producing world class fighters in the 21st century ? Any explanations for that ?

Re: Fans Of The Little Men Of Boxing : Bantamweight And Under

Posted: 12 Nov 2015, 08:53
by elmersalsa
Yeah, the South Koreans are in a bad funk right now. I remember when they had two exceptional champions at one time in the same Jr. flyweight class: WBA champ Myung Woo Yuh and WBC's counterpart Jung Koo Chang. That was back in the 80s.

Re: Fans Of The Little Men Of Boxing : Bantamweight And Under

Posted: 12 Nov 2015, 08:58
by elmersalsa
Rafael Herrera of Mexico should be in the hall, too! He was the great Ruben Olivares kryptonite. He beat Olivares twice in different venues. The Mexican fans never forgave Rafael for that. He was a sensational bantamweight champion. Why the IBHOF is wasting time with this guy?

Re: Fans Of The Little Men Of Boxing : Bantamweight And Under

Posted: 18 Nov 2015, 03:25
by elmersalsa
Benny Lynch from Scotland was the best flyweight of the 1930s. A true top 100 ATG p4p fighter.

Re: Fans Of The Little Men Of Boxing : Bantamweight And Under

Posted: 21 Nov 2015, 19:46
by elmersalsa
World Bantamweight Champion Manuel Ortiz of California, was the one of the best boxers of the 1940s decade. Made 15 title defenses in first reign. To me, the best Chicano fighter ever. A true 100 all-time great p4p fighter

Re: Fans Of The Little Men Of Boxing : Bantamweight And Under

Posted: 23 Nov 2015, 21:31
by Jpreisser
elmersalsa wrote:Miguel "Happy" Lots of Colombia was a complete bantamweight. Has anybody seen his fight with Wilfredo Vazquez of Puerto Rico? It was a war!

The great Terry McGovern was a total beast and terrific puncher at 118lbs.
I watched it recently. Very good scrap. If you haven't seen Lora take apart Zaragoza, I suggest you do so.

Re: Fans Of The Little Men Of Boxing : Bantamweight And Under

Posted: 24 Nov 2015, 16:14
by elmersalsa
Jpreisser wrote:
elmersalsa wrote:Miguel "Happy" Lots of Colombia was a complete bantamweight. Has anybody seen his fight with Wilfredo Vazquez of Puerto Rico? It was a war!

The great Terry McGovern was a total beast and terrific puncher at 118lbs.
I watched it recently. Very good scrap. If you haven't seen Lora take apart Zaragoza, I suggest you do so.
Miguel "Happy" Lots was one of the most complete bantamweight boxers I have seen in my lifetime

Re: Fans Of The Little Men Of Boxing : Bantamweight And Under

Posted: 24 Nov 2015, 16:15
by elmersalsa
I should see his fight with Daniel Zaragoza

Re: Fans Of The Little Men Of Boxing : Bantamweight And Under

Posted: 25 Nov 2015, 02:29
by Jpreisser
elmersalsa wrote:I should see his fight with Daniel Zaragoza
If you think that highly of Lora, the fight is a must. Maybe Lora at his best.

Re: Fans Of The Little Men Of Boxing : Bantamweight And Under

Posted: 03 Dec 2015, 19:44
by elmersalsa
WBA World Bantamweight king, Alfonso Zamora of Mexico won his first 29 fights by knockout! After losing to the great Carlos Zarate by knockout in a war, he went into a steep decline

Re: Fans Of The Little Men Of Boxing : Bantamweight And Under

Posted: 03 Dec 2015, 21:36
by campfire
elmersalsa wrote:Panamanian Hilario Zapata should be in the hall of fame. He fought 24 world title bouts between Jr. flyweight and flyweight. I don't know why The IBHOF is taking so long to include him in the hall.

What is the problem?
Your the only one that thinks Zapada belongs you ever think that :witzend:

Re: Fans Of The Little Men Of Boxing : Bantamweight And Under

Posted: 06 Dec 2015, 21:56
by elmersalsa
campfire wrote:
elmersalsa wrote:Panamanian Hilario Zapata should be in the hall of fame. He fought 24 world title bouts between Jr. flyweight and flyweight. I don't know why The IBHOF is taking so long to include him in the hall.

What is the problem?
Your the only one that thinks Zapada belongs you ever think that :witzend:
And why he should not be?

Re: Fans Of The Little Men Of Boxing : Bantamweight And Under

Posted: 03 Jun 2016, 15:13
by Seamus
I take back what I said about Yoko Gushiken. I forgot how good this guy was. If I could have been his corner man all I'd need to learn to say in Japanese would be "Keep doing what you're doing" in fact I wouldn't even have to say that, because this is a guy who got pulled off his opponent for getting across the ring too fast.