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Any-one that puts Roman Gonzalez in front of GGG/Crawford/Klitschko/Kovalev/Rigondeaux/Canelo Alvarez/Pacman are delusional

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Any-one that puts Roman Gonzalez in front of GGG/Crawford/Klitschko/Kovalev/Rigondeaux/Canelo Alvarez/Pacman are delusional

Why?

I don't like making lists, mainly because I've not a clue what I'm on about, but since that doesn't stop anyone else, here's my list, in no par......well wait, they are in order, actually.

1.Golovkin
2.Gonzalez
3.Kovalev
4.Inoue
5.Ward
6.Crawford
7.Alvarez
8.Rigondeaux
9.Cotto
10.Tom Brady

There you have it. I didn't put Wlad in, because I never know where to place heavyweights, so fvck it. Numbers 1 through 5 are interchangeable. So are 1 through 10 for that matter pretty much.

Go Pats.

Bobbyptsd wrote:I don't like making lists, mainly because I've not a clue what I'm on about, but since that doesn't stop anyone else, here's my list, in no par......well wait, they are in order, actually.

1.Golovkin
2.Gonzalez
3.Kovalev
4.Inoue
5.Ward
6.Crawford
7.Alvarez
8.Rigondeaux
9.Cotto
10.Tom Brady

There you have it. I didn't put Wlad in, because I never know where to place heavyweights, so fvck it. Numbers 1 through 5 are interchangeable. So are 1 through 10 for that matter pretty much.

Go Pats.

Now that was funny

jezzamundo wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Any-one that puts Roman Gonzalez in front of GGG/Crawford/Klitschko/Kovalev/Rigondeaux/Canelo Alvarez/Pacman are delusional

Why?[/quote


WHY :?? HAVE A GANDER AT GGG/CRAWFORD/KLITSCHKO/RIGONDEAUX/ALVAREZ/PACMAN OPPONTENT'S THEN CHECK ROMAN GONZALEZ FUTURE
HOF'S HE'S FACED........................YES TAKE YOUR TIME

Estrada and Viloria are far better fighters than anyone on GGG'S resume.

Same for wlad who hugs, clinches and paws his way to victory in such sluggish, slow robotic performances.

Gonzalez wins by executing beautiful punching technique with fluid movement.

GGG win over lemiuex does squat for his resume a freakin blind could see GGG was gonna have an easy time in that one, poor ol willie monroe performed better than lemiuex for crying out loud.

kidbazooka1 wrote:Estrada and Viloria are far better fighters than anyone on GGG'S resume.

Same for wlad who hugs, clinches and paws his way to victory in such sluggish, slow robotic performances.

Gonzalez wins by executing beautiful punching technique with fluid movement.

GGG win over lemiuex does squat for his resume a freakin blind could see GGG was gonna have an easy time in that one, poor ol willie monroe performed better than lemiuex for crying out loud.

couldnt have said it any better

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Any-one that puts Roman Gonzalez in front of GGG/Crawford/Klitschko/Kovalev/Rigondeaux/Canelo Alvarez/Pacman are delusional

Why?[/quote


WHY :?? HAVE A GANDER AT GGG/CRAWFORD/KLITSCHKO/RIGONDEAUX/ALVAREZ/PACMAN OPPONTENT'S THEN CHECK ROMAN GONZALEZ FUTURE
HOF'S HE'S FACED........................YES TAKE YOUR TIME

Seeing as you felt you had to shout at jezzamundo, I might raise my voice as well, because RESUME HAS THE SQUARE ROOT OF fornicate ALL TO DO WITH P4P RANKINGS.

WHEN WILL PEOPLE fornicating GET THAT?

Time and time again we go on these threads and see guys tell us "this guy can't be above this guy, look who he's fought", this thread is littered with it.

P4P is a subjective assessment of who you feel would win if you take weight out of the equation.
If Roman Gonzalez and Wlad Klitschko both weighed 168lb and were roughly the same height, who wins?
For me Wlad would do well not to get bludgeoned into submission inside 4 rounds. Maybe you disagree but thats what it's about. It's about ability at this moment in time, not who you beat 3 years ago.

Of course there are numerous incalculable factors such as how Wlads/Chocolatitos style would work at a certain weight class which is what makes thse threads so open to interpretation. If you have the 2 fighting at heavy weight with both guys weighing 240lbs Gonzalez style perhaps doesn't cut it and if you stuck Wlad at flyweight at 5'3" his reach advantage and hugging style might get picked apart

But comparing wins over Viloria or Estrada to Pulev and Povetkin is irrelevant because all that matters is I think Gonzalez is the better fighter and that's why he sits above Wlad on my p4p list.

kidbazooka1 wrote:Estrada and Viloria are far better fighters than anyone on GGG'S resume.

Same for wlad who hugs, clinches and paws his way to victory in such sluggish, slow robotic performances.

Gonzalez wins by executing beautiful punching technique with fluid movement.

GGG win over lemiuex does squat for his resume a freakin blind could see GGG was gonna have an easy time in that one, poor ol willie monroe performed better than lemiuex for crying out loud.

Golovkin could have taken Monroe out in 1. He just didn't want to do that to the fans who paid for tickets. Gennady clearly showed more respect to Lemieux than to Monroe, Murray or Geale.

davie don't tell me how to pick some-one on a P4P list because your method is shi. so you just pretend Wlad and Roman both weigh 168lb so you'v
shrunk Wlad and blew up Roman well from my vantage point I will alway's look at who a P4P contender has met in his career so I can get a better idea of what type of beast we a dealing with because if we just start SHRINKING and BLOWING FIGHTER'S UP where does it end Tyson shrung to Bantamweight so he can fight Jeff Fenech so davie my boy keep shrinking and blowing you know what you could get to help you with your ranking's A PIN and A PUMP

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:davie don't tell me how to pick some-one on a P4P list because your method is shi. so you just pretend Wlad and Roman both weigh 168lb so you'v
shrunk Wlad and blew up Roman well from my vantage point I will alway's look at who a P4P contender has met in his career so I can get a better idea of what type of beast we a dealing with because if we just start SHRINKING and BLOWING FIGHTER'S UP where does it end Tyson shrung to Bantamweight so he can fight Jeff Fenech so davie my boy keep shrinking and blowing you know what you could get to help you with your ranking's A PIN and A PUMP

I do agree to a point with this.
Such as Wlad.How can you picture him as a middleweight when his size is one of his
biggest assets.It does not equate.

davie wrote: If Roman Gonzalez and Wlad Klitschko both weighed 168lb and were roughly the same height, who wins? .

If your maw had a penis would it be bigger than your dads?

Ricky_ wrote:

crusader wrote:Rigo seems far too high.

You're obviously not familiar with chepppa. He's either a total clown or Rigo's agent, hence multiple threads about Rigondeux being the currwnt best p4p, and 2nd on the GOAT list ahead of Ray Robinson.... but trailing to Roy Jones

That's interesting that he managed to list Rigondeaux at #2 p4p all-time, but he lists Rigondeaux at #3 p4p among active fighters. Equally interesting is that the two fighters he lists in the top 2 p4p active both fought within 24 hours of him posting his latest list.

Lackeos wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:

crusader wrote:Rigo seems far too high.

You're obviously not familiar with chepppa. He's either a total clown or Rigo's agent, hence multiple threads about Rigondeux being the currwnt best p4p, and 2nd on the GOAT list ahead of Ray Robinson.... but trailing to Roy Jones

That's interesting that he managed to list Rigondeaux at #2 p4p all-time, but he lists Rigondeaux at #3 p4p among active fighters. Equally interesting is that the two fighters he lists in the top 2 p4p active both fought within 24 hours of him posting his latest list.

i never said rigo was #2 best boxer ever.

now rigo is ony 3 cause he rarely boxes, technicly etc he still is #1, but gonzales is strong and also a technicle genius, he showcased a lot in his last fight.

yeah and what now, they (ggg and gonzales) boxed within 24 hours, now what? they were high before and won impressivly, why is it so absurd to put them 1 and 2?

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Any-one that puts Roman Gonzalez in front of GGG/Crawford/Klitschko/Kovalev/Rigondeaux/Canelo Alvarez/Pacman are delusional

Gonzalez is better than canelo in every department,

tiny_acres wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:davie don't tell me how to pick some-one on a P4P list because your method is shi. so you just pretend Wlad and Roman both weigh 168lb so you'v
shrunk Wlad and blew up Roman well from my vantage point I will alway's look at who a P4P contender has met in his career so I can get a better idea of what type of beast we a dealing with because if we just start SHRINKING and BLOWING FIGHTER'S UP where does it end Tyson shrung to Bantamweight so he can fight Jeff Fenech so davie my boy keep shrinking and blowing you know what you could get to help you with your ranking's A PIN and A PUMP

I do agree to a point with this.
Such as Wlad.How can you picture him as a middleweight when his size is one of his
biggest assets.It does not equate.

But that's what p4p is if the fighter was the same size who's the best is it not!

stevedoc wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:davie don't tell me how to pick some-one on a P4P list because your method is shi. so you just pretend Wlad and Roman both weigh 168lb so you'v
shrunk Wlad and blew up Roman well from my vantage point I will alway's look at who a P4P contender has met in his career so I can get a better idea of what type of beast we a dealing with because if we just start SHRINKING and BLOWING FIGHTER'S UP where does it end Tyson shrung to Bantamweight so he can fight Jeff Fenech so davie my boy keep shrinking and blowing you know what you could get to help you with your ranking's A PIN and A PUMP

I do agree to a point with this.
Such as Wlad.How can you picture him as a middleweight when his size is one of his
biggest assets.It does not equate.

But that's what p4p is if the fighter was the same size who's the best is it not!

But somethings can not translate.
One of Wlad's greatest attributes is his size advantage.How can you take that out of this equation?

@ tiny ,he's not that tall 6'6 most heavies are 6,3/6,4 it's he style that makes him big .Oscar at light weight was similar

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:There's an interesting scenario among Ward, GGG and Kovalev.
Any combination of fight with Ward will produce the unquestioned #1 p4p fighter.
However, naysayers will take credit from Kovalev for beating Ward
and definitely take away credit from Ward for beating GGG.
Something about weight classes ...

On the flip side, if either GGG or Ward move up and win,
they are the new king of the sport. Undisputed! Worshiped as gods by many.
Especially if it's GGG.

I don't think this is fair. I think any victory in this trio is impressive
and produces the king of the sport.

If Ward beats GGG and Kovalev, we will know him as the best 168 pound fighter ever.
If he can beat Stevenson and the winner of Beterbiev VS Oosthuizen/Braehmer,
he is moving way up the ATG list ...

... and this won't be another Floyd situation,
whether you like him or not,
you will admit these things.

Hope he goes for it.

Hard to argue with that. A win by Ward over those two, especially Kovalev, makes him #1 for me. You'd have to say though, that if Kovalev wins, it may just be because Ward isn't big enough to compete, it would depend really. If ward moves up, has a couple of fights at 175 (which I'd say is a better plan), looks very good at the weight, and then gets beat, fair enough.

Ward hasn't actually had a fight at the proper weight yet

stevedoc wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Any-one that puts Roman Gonzalez in front of GGG/Crawford/Klitschko/Kovalev/Rigondeaux/Canelo Alvarez/Pacman are delusional

Gonzalez is better than canelo in every department,

Especially at being a wicket keeper catching everything

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

stevedoc wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Any-one that puts Roman Gonzalez in front of GGG/Crawford/Klitschko/Kovalev/Rigondeaux/Canelo Alvarez/Pacman are delusional

Gonzalez is better than canelo in every department,

Especially at being a wicket keeper catching everything

Have you even seen these guys fight .....mate you type some unbelievable shyte it's like you read the hillbilly times then retype it .oh let me put some yellow faces in there so you feel OK thanks 8)

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:

stevedoc wrote:

ClivePatrickLyons wrote:Any-one that puts Roman Gonzalez in front of GGG/Crawford/Klitschko/Kovalev/Rigondeaux/Canelo Alvarez/Pacman are delusional

Gonzalez is better than canelo in every department,

Especially at being a wicket keeper catching everything

Are you saying Gonzalez gets hit more than Alvarez? Because that's a bit mystifying to me. I mean I think Alvarez is a very good fighter, but I wouldn't note him as being particularly evasive compared to fighters on his relative level.