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Boxing Prospect wrote:

littlepug wrote:it doesnt but it should, a good start would be for tv to show more little guys theres terrific talent in japan and all over asia that fans are missing out on but instead we are force fed out of shape ageing heavies, its pretty dire really.

Ioka vs Sosa got significantly more than 10,000,000 (14 million I think) viewers on tbs and they they regarded the figure as "disappointing". A fight gets a quarter of that in the US and the fans wet their pants...

10% of the entire population of Japan tunes in for minor title defenses? Is boxing really that popular there?

Hell, Broner/Porter only did 2.4 million viewers which is less than 1% of the US population.

Aaronide_ger wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:I.was mpre getting at the Japanese t.v. Numbers dwarf those of the US. Any fights gets 4,000,000 in the US it's a success, a fight can get 3 times that in Japan and be considered a disappointment. Shows how insignificant boxing is in the US

Its not insignificant did you forget that Mayweather vs Pacman did 4.4 million PPV buys and generated the most money ever?

I agree that boxing in Japan is more appreciated than it is in the US, Thats why they doing all those huge numbers, they support their fighters as a country.

And we got to my point that in the US Flyweights were never EVER Draws..

4.4million from what, 320 million? wow! PPV is what's helped to make the sport so Niche.

jujigatame wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:

littlepug wrote:it doesnt but it should, a good start would be for tv to show more little guys theres terrific talent in japan and all over asia that fans are missing out on but instead we are force fed out of shape ageing heavies, its pretty dire really.

Ioka vs Sosa got significantly more than 10,000,000 (14 million I think) viewers on tbs and they they regarded the figure as "disappointing". A fight gets a quarter of that in the US and the fans wet their pants...

10% of the entire population of Japan tunes in for minor title defenses? Is boxing really that popular there?

Hell, Broner/Porter only did 2.4 million viewers which is less than 1% of the US population.

Just found the article with the figures:

"The figures, released today, stated that Ioka drew an average of 10.8% in Kanto and 12.6% in Kansai. In total we believe the audience was about 7,400,000 with the peak audience being about 10,500,000 viewers, with the peak being 15.1% in Kanto and 18.2% in Kansai."

So over 10,000,000

Boxing Prospect wrote:

Aaronide_ger wrote:

Boxing Prospect wrote:I.was mpre getting at the Japanese t.v. Numbers dwarf those of the US. Any fights gets 4,000,000 in the US it's a success, a fight can get 3 times that in Japan and be considered a disappointment. Shows how insignificant boxing is in the US

Its not insignificant did you forget that Mayweather vs Pacman did 4.4 million PPV buys and generated the most money ever?

I agree that boxing in Japan is more appreciated than it is in the US, Thats why they doing all those huge numbers, they support their fighters as a country.

And we got to my point that in the US Flyweights were never EVER Draws..

4.4million from what, 320 million? wow! PPV is what's helped to make the sport so Niche.

You missing the point. Give me a PPV in japan (If they ever do) that has generated more than 300M Dollars in revenue? Hell if MayPac was on FreeTV it would have done more than 30-40 Million views.

Aaronide_ger wrote: You missing the point. Give me a PPV in japan (If they ever do) that has generated more than 300M Dollars in revenue? Hell if MayPac was on FreeTV it would have done more than 30-40 Million views.

I'm not missing the point. You're right PPV has generated a lot of money, it has also lost the sport the huge fan base it once had and as a result we're going to see fewer and fewer people in the US interested in it. The same has applied in the UK where the days of Benn and Eubank getting 16,000,000 on free TV are gone and instead we're lucky to break 2,000,000 viewers (Frampton Vs Avalos I think and Fury Vs Chisora I). The move towards paying to watch the sport has hit US the fans and made it more difficult to draw a new fan base.

It's all well and good looking at the short term and saying "x was a success due to the money" but in the long term boxing is the loser because it can't draw long term fans. The PBC is trying to change it admittedly but it's still faltering with fewer and fewer people tuning in.

Boxing Prospect wrote:

Aaronide_ger wrote: You missing the point. Give me a PPV in japan (If they ever do) that has generated more than 300M Dollars in revenue? Hell if MayPac was on FreeTV it would have done more than 30-40 Million views.

I'm not missing the point. You're right PPV has generated a lot of money, it has also lost the sport the huge fan base it once had and as a result we're going to see fewer and fewer people in the US interested in it. The same has applied in the UK where the days of Benn and Eubank getting 16,000,000 on free TV are gone and instead we're lucky to break 2,000,000 viewers (Frampton Vs Avalos I think and Fury Vs Chisora I). The move towards paying to watch the sport has hit US the fans and made it more difficult to draw a new fan base.

It's all well and good looking at the short term and saying "x was a success due to the money" but in the long term boxing is the loser because it can't draw long term fans. The PBC is trying to change it admittedly but it's still faltering with fewer and fewer people tuning in.

Good post

Boxing Prospect wrote:

Aaronide_ger wrote: You missing the point. Give me a PPV in japan (If they ever do) that has generated more than 300M Dollars in revenue? Hell if MayPac was on FreeTV it would have done more than 30-40 Million views.

I'm not missing the point. You're right PPV has generated a lot of money, it has also lost the sport the huge fan base it once had and as a result we're going to see fewer and fewer people in the US interested in it. The same has applied in the UK where the days of Benn and Eubank getting 16,000,000 on free TV are gone and instead we're lucky to break 2,000,000 viewers (Frampton Vs Avalos I think and Fury Vs Chisora I). The move towards paying to watch the sport has hit US the fans and made it more difficult to draw a new fan base.

It's all well and good looking at the short term and saying "x was a success due to the money" but in the long term boxing is the loser because it can't draw long term fans. The PBC is trying to change it admittedly but it's still faltering with fewer and fewer people tuning in.

Yes you are missing the point, You are right in what you said but the conversation started like "Flyweights dont draw in the US" You remember that? Then u go on and talk about Japan etc.

And the point that the biggest free boxing on US tv, with a outbid hype can only draw around 3,000,000 viewers suggests that boxing on the whole doesn't draw in The US. Tickets are being given away for PBC shows further strengthens that claim.

Maybe the US needs to rethink how it does boxing. The best atmosphere at a US fight this year came when a German fought a Pole, the biggest draws in US boxing right now are a Mexican, a Filipino and a Puerto Rican. We hear a lot about the potential of guys like Thurman, Spence, Crawford (who I concede is by far the more proven and the best marketed) yet none of them can really draw and they are in and around the money divisions.

Broner looked like the guy with the charisma to become a star but lacks the actual ability and the maturity to make the most of stuff.

Flyweights in the US don't draw when you don't give them a chance. Give then the money invested in Berto and they'd have drawn a decent audience on the back of guys like Segura, Marquez, Viloria, Estrada, Gonzalez, Concepcion. The way the fights would have gone over the last few years would have built that audience from a niche. Instead we've seen money plundered into big money busts like Dawson, who have had their own troubles drawing whilst being paid significantly more.

Boxing Prospect wrote:And the point that the biggest free boxing on US tv, with a outbid hype can only draw around 3,000,000 viewers suggests that boxing on the whole doesn't draw in The US. Tickets are being given away for PBC shows further strengthens that claim.

Maybe the US needs to rethink how it does boxing. The best atmosphere at a US fight this year came when a German fought a Pole, the biggest draws in US boxing right now are a Mexican, a Filipino and a Puerto Rican. We hear a lot about the potential of guys like Thurman, Spence, Crawford (who I concede is by far the more proven and the best marketed) yet none of them can really draw and they are in and around the money divisions.

Broner looked like the guy with the charisma to become a star but lacks the actual ability and the maturity to make the most of stuff.

Flyweights in the US don't draw when you don't give them a chance. Give then the money invested in Berto and they'd have drawn a decent audience on the back of guys like Segura, Marquez, Viloria, Estrada, Gonzalez, Concepcion. The way the fights would have gone over the last few years would have built that audience from a niche. Instead we've seen money plundered into big money busts like Dawson, who have had their own troubles drawing whilst being paid significantly more.

Good post, Unfortunately the yanks seem to think bigger is better so only invest in big talentless dross, luckily the rest of the world seems to appreciate talent regardless of size.

The "bigger is better" attitude in the US is pervasive and problematic. It's even worse in MMA. The UFC can't sell a flyweight title fight for the life of them because of this nonsense. I see meatheads on MMA message boards all the time arguing that they're not interested in watching Demetrious Johnson because he's the size of "a small child". And he's no smaller than guys like Barrera and Morales were.

The most watched fight of the PBC era is Mares-Santa Cruz at featherweight.

Not quite flyweight but still a lower weight class.

If there was a flyweight with Mexican blood as good as Gonzalez I have no doubt he'd be huge in America.

Carbajal was a huge star and draw in the early 90s.