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I had it Abraham 115-112.

He was too strong for Murray.

Great year for Abraham.

Had it 114-113 Abraham, but I thought I gave Murray more close rounds. Close fight but Abraham was deserving.

Bobbyptsd wrote:I had it 7-4-1 Abraham, plus the point deduction which makes it a four point gap in my view. Murray was tough and had his moments, but I thought it was clear.

The sky crew are atrocious, and I'm being kind. Watt had the fight for Abraham, but said he hoped the judges saw it the other way (so, bad decisons are only bad for Germans?) and Froch said Abraham has this way of tricking judges into giving him rounds, where he blocks shots then lands his own. Genius insight to that dirty fighter Abraham who wins by being more efficient on defense and offense, cheater.

There's this British bias that's so blatant, they don't even realize they have it. I mean don't get me wrong, I'm not shoicked that they favour the British fighter, fine. But they have this way of implying that Germany is crooked because in Germany, you have to, you know, win the fight to get the decision, and then not realize the sheer stupidity of some of their statements.

I've been saying for years we need to investigate this. Appalling that fighters can still get away with blocking the other fighters punches and then just landing punches of their own! It's 2015 for heavens sake. I blame the Christians.

Clear win for Murray. Put nice combos together and found a home for left hook to the body all night. Hurt AA a couple of times too. Pretty wide for me.

Ricky_ wrote:Clear win for Murray. Put nice combos together and found a home for left hook to the body all night. Hurt AA a couple of times too. Pretty wide for me.

sober up

I had it draw but as Murray had 1 point deduction and I am gree with that. Abraham won in my scorecard 114-113.

Murray worked hard, landed good shots and I think the judges did finally get into their heads that just standing there and covering up shouldn't count as points for you. Having said that I still had Abraham winning by 2 points maybe 3 with the point he conned from the referee. Murray is a good technician with a great chin (don't see anyone else taking a beating like that off Golovkin for 11 rounds). And he did show power a couple of times but he just doesn't go for it enough. Same at middle, he had chances in the first 2 title fights but if anything he backed off too often and cost himself. Realistically he has the beating of most SMs in the world - but he just doesn't seem to realise he really has to work above and beyond with his style to get the win. Ultimately Abraham did work, he did land good punches and did come forward, in first 2 minutes every round because Murray worked then stepped back and conceded ground. I still think the crowd and the last 30 seconds rallies are tricking judges and I'd love to see how Abraham does away from home but I still could not see this as a Murray win.

punchoutsb wrote:

Bobbyptsd wrote:I had it 7-4-1 Abraham, plus the point deduction which makes it a four point gap in my view. Murray was tough and had his moments, but I thought it was clear.

The sky crew are atrocious, and I'm being kind. Watt had the fight for Abraham, but said he hoped the judges saw it the other way (so, bad decisons are only bad for Germans?) and Froch said Abraham has this way of tricking judges into giving him rounds, where he blocks shots then lands his own. Genius insight to that dirty fighter Abraham who wins by being more efficient on defense and offense, cheater.

There's this British bias that's so blatant, they don't even realize they have it. I mean don't get me wrong, I'm not shoicked that they favour the British fighter, fine. But they have this way of implying that Germany is crooked because in Germany, you have to, you know, win the fight to get the decision, and then not realize the sheer stupidity of some of their statements.

I've been saying for years we need to investigate this. Appalling that fighters can still get away with blocking the other fighters punches and then just landing punches of their own! It's 2015 for heavens sake. I blame the Christians.

I think the issue most have is that he doesn't contribute to the first 2+ mins of each round, the other guy is working, is still landing punches but Abraham throws 3-4 punches in the last 30 seconds, the crowd goes wild and the judges give him a 10-9. Realistically what he does in many rounds would be 10-10. I'd also argue with just standing there with a tight guard being punched counting as blocking in the way that you'd say Mayweather parrying, etc counts defensively. It isn't a massive skill to be a big lump that can stand there taking a beating on his arms and body - Homer Simpson FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Having said that, as I said above, I still couldn't score that for Murray and was surprised it was a split decision.

It seemed to me Murray tried to nick it and in Germany v Arthur you really have to get in their and win everything you can, as many exchanges and do it round by round. I've seen him box for a world title 4 times and I may be in the minority but he does not go all out to win.

manchester-mexican wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Clear win for Murray. Put nice combos together and found a home for left hook to the body all night. Hurt AA a couple of times too. Pretty wide for me.

sober up

I had it on mute tbf, so i can understand people like yourself were probably swayed by commentators.

Abraham and De Gale best two in the division. Abraham is having a Indian Summer and has looked great since Smith 1.

Murray hasn't had a easy job in each world champ fight. I'd still fancy him to beat either Jack or Chudinov in the Uk.

Ricky_ wrote:

manchester-mexican wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Clear win for Murray. Put nice combos together and found a home for left hook to the body all night. Hurt AA a couple of times too. Pretty wide for me.

sober up

I had it on mute tbf, so i can understand people like yourself were probably swayed by commentators.

not at all, just don't think Murray done enough to win away from home, I actually like him n was hoping he could do it, but seems destined not to be a world champ