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Redback Rasta wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

Redback Rasta wrote: de Mori chose to sign with King years ago and then when his contract with King expired he chose to sign with King again!

King hasn't been de Mori's only promoter/manager over his 15 year career. He has had many. So the blame for his padded career record can't all be laid on King.

He was a random from Oz, of course he's going to sign with Don King. Don promised him more the second time around and Mark fell for it. Trust me, he's wanted to be in with better. Exactly what level of guys he wants to fight I don't know, but he wanted to walk away from the sport during and right after his time with King.

We've heard it all before from Mark. More promises of big fights than you could poke a bloody stick at and then he turns around and repeatedly fights guys with half a dozen fights to their name. Or guys so far past it they shouldn't even be in the ring.

And lo and behold King is out of the picture and now he's fighting Haye.

Like I said, I'm not saying Mark wanted the absolute best, but I know for a fact he wanted better than he got. He just decided to stay active against scrubs rather than ride the bench waiting for that perfect fight King never delivered.

punchoutsb wrote:

Redback Rasta wrote:

punchoutsb wrote: [

He was a random from Oz, of course he's going to sign with Don King. Don promised him more the second time around and Mark fell for it. Trust me, he's wanted to be in with better. Exactly what level of guys he wants to fight I don't know, but he wanted to walk away from the sport during and right after his time with King.

We've heard it all before from Mark. More promises of big fights than you could poke a bloody stick at and then he turns around and repeatedly fights guys with half a dozen fights to their name. Or guys so far past it they shouldn't even be in the ring.

And lo and behold King is out of the picture and now he's fighting Haye.

Like I said, I'm not saying Mark wanted the absolute best, but I know for a fact he wanted better than he got. He just decided to stay active against scrubs rather than ride the bench waiting for that perfect fight King never delivered.

Mark has been fighting for 15 years. Many of them, perhaps even most of them, without King, and the story has always been the same.

Redback Rasta wrote:Mark has been fighting for 15 years. Many of them, perhaps even most of them, without King, and the story has always been the same.

I guess a random guy with no promotional power behind him has trouble getting big fights. Who'd have thought? It's almost like he had to beat a bunch of scrubs to get a high ranking in order to get anyone interested in fighting him.

I'm just saying the majority of folks think he's a bottom feeder by choice and it's just not true.

punchoutsb wrote:

Redback Rasta wrote:Mark has been fighting for 15 years. Many of them, perhaps even most of them, without King, and the story has always been the same.

I guess a random guy with no promotional power behind him has trouble getting big fights. Who'd have thought? It's almost like he had to beat a bunch of scrubs to get a high ranking in order to get anyone interested in fighting him.

I'm just saying the majority of folks think he's a bottom feeder by choice and it's just not true.

6 of Mark's first 7 opponents were debutantes. That had nothing to do with Don King. King wasn't even in the picture at that stage.

Mark has been very good at blaming others along the way. Many different others. Including many different matchmakers. But he hasn't been forced his entire career to feed from the bottom. Some of it has been of his own volition. That much has been confirmed by a couple of people who have worked with him and just happen to post on forums as well ;;-)

sharpei_louis wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Both are bums compared to the top and Haye has always been very selective about his opponends and as soon as he doubted he canceled the fight or things like that. He gained most of the respect he earned in a lower weightclass.

I've always said I'm a Haye fan so forgive me for bias.
The problem with 'they're bums compared to the top' - is that the HW scene is still abysmal and Haye, if he ever fights, is still about as good as there is IMO.
Haye didn't turn up against Klitschko but hardly looked like he was a bum in comparison to an almost equally uninspiring performance from Wlad - it was more a case that Wlad was just less gun-shy than Haye.
Other than that, who exactly is Haye 'worlds away from'?

Povetkin, Joshua, Parker, Jennings, Pulev, Chagaev, Fury, Wilder, Takam, Ustinov, Glazkov, name them.
And there are probably another 10 ish guys that would have given him serious problems in his prime (I currently can't really rate him).

Haye is a nice cruiserweight, a very nice one in fact, but the heavyweight is simply a totally differend league.
Joshua already proved more for me as Haye has done and probably will ever do.

asdfjkl wrote:

sharpei_louis wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Both are bums compared to the top and Haye has always been very selective about his opponends and as soon as he doubted he canceled the fight or things like that. He gained most of the respect he earned in a lower weightclass.

I've always said I'm a Haye fan so forgive me for bias.
The problem with 'they're bums compared to the top' - is that the HW scene is still abysmal and Haye, if he ever fights, is still about as good as there is IMO.
Haye didn't turn up against Klitschko but hardly looked like he was a bum in comparison to an almost equally uninspiring performance from Wlad - it was more a case that Wlad was just less gun-shy than Haye.
Other than that, who exactly is Haye 'worlds away from'?

Povetkin, Joshua, Parker, Jennings, Pulev, Chagaev, Fury, Wilder, Takam, Ustinov, Glazkov, name them.
And there are probably another 10 ish guys that would have given him serious problems in his prime (I currently can't really rate him).

Haye is a nice cruiserweight, a very nice one in fact, but the heavyweight is simply a totally differend league.
Joshua already proved more for me as Haye has done and probably will ever do.

This is why you get so little respect on this site.
Joshua who could weel turn out to be an awesome heavyweight has accomplished very little so far as a heavyweight.He has the potential but he has not proven to be among the elite YET.
Haye who I despise more than any fighter out there today.Has beaten Monte Barrett,Nikolay Valuev,John Ruiz and Derrick Chisora.Those 4 trump everyone of Joshua's opponents.

Comments like this and not knowing who Andre Ward is.Just show how little you know about the sport.
Why not read and learn from some of the more experienced posters and stop posting such stupid comments.

tiny_acres wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Povetkin, Joshua, Parker, Jennings, Pulev, Chagaev, Fury, Wilder, Takam, Ustinov, Glazkov, name them.
And there are probably another 10 ish guys that would have given him serious problems in his prime (I currently can't really rate him).

Haye is a nice cruiserweight, a very nice one in fact, but the heavyweight is simply a totally differend league.
Joshua already proved more for me as Haye has done and probably will ever do.

This is why you get so little respect on this site.
Joshua who could weel turn out to be an awesome heavyweight has accomplished very little so far as a heavyweight.He has the potential but he has not proven to be among the elite YET.
Haye who I despise more than any fighter out there today.Has beaten Monte Barrett,Nikolay Valuev,John Ruiz and Derrick Chisora.Those 4 trump everyone of Joshua's opponents.

Comments like this and not knowing who Andre Ward is.Just show how little you know about the sport.
Why not read and learn from some of the more experienced posters and stop posting such stupid comments.

I'm not after respect, but let's get real, David Haye fought 7 heavyweights in his entire life at all and pretty much all of them were on a losing record just before David Haye or right after.

I already wrote:
"Really, put David's heavyweight performance in numbers:
Monte Barrett, barely a heavyweight himself, only won 1 out of his next 7 matches and even in that match he got KOed, but managed to stand back up again and win on points.
John Ruiz, a 38 year old that retired immedietly after
Audley Harrison, lol, who even got KOed by David Price in the first round later on.
Dereck Chisora, who lost his two matches before and before that luckely won on points against a 18 win, 43 losing cruiserweight that currently has a 20 win 61 losing rate...
Sorry mate, I know some people still think he's something special, but he really isn't, not even close. In fact Mark is a far better opponend as I expected him to take."

Now Anthony Joshua at the same time fought 5 heavyweights out of the top 100 and finished all of those matches with an avarage of less then two rounds.
Only once in David Haye his entire life he managed to finish a heavyweight match as fast as Anthony Joshua is doing on avarage against top 100 heavyweights... You're really comparing a wolf with a lion, some firework with an military bomb, a Land Rover with a truck, a pike with a shark, a bullet with a cannonball. And I fully admit, I don't want a wolf after me, I don't want firework on me, a land rover over me, hit by a bullet or bitten by a pike, but I very well know what I prefere if I had to choose.

asdfjkl wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Povetkin, Joshua, Parker, Jennings, Pulev, Chagaev, Fury, Wilder, Takam, Ustinov, Glazkov, name them.
And there are probably another 10 ish guys that would have given him serious problems in his prime (I currently can't really rate him).

Haye is a nice cruiserweight, a very nice one in fact, but the heavyweight is simply a totally differend league.
Joshua already proved more for me as Haye has done and probably will ever do.

This is why you get so little respect on this site.
Joshua who could weel turn out to be an awesome heavyweight has accomplished very little so far as a heavyweight.He has the potential but he has not proven to be among the elite YET.
Haye who I despise more than any fighter out there today.Has beaten Monte Barrett,Nikolay Valuev,John Ruiz and Derrick Chisora.Those 4 trump everyone of Joshua's opponents.

Comments like this and not knowing who Andre Ward is.Just show how little you know about the sport.
Why not read and learn from some of the more experienced posters and stop posting such stupid comments.

I'm not after respect, but let's get real, David Haye fought 7 heavyweights in his entire life at all and pretty much all of them were on a losing record just before David Haye or right after.

I already wrote:
"Really, put David's heavyweight performance in numbers:
Monte Barrett, barely a heavyweight himself, only won 1 out of his next 7 matches and even in that match he got KOed, but managed to stand back up again and win on points.
John Ruiz, a 38 year old that retired immedietly after
Audley Harrison, lol, who even got KOed by David Price in the first round later on.
Dereck Chisora, who lost his two matches before and before that luckely won on points against a 18 win, 43 losing cruiserweight that currently has a 20 win 61 losing rate...
Sorry mate, I know some people still think he's something special, but he really isn't, not even close. In fact Mark is a far better opponend as I expected him to take."

Now Anthony Joshua at the same time fought 5 heavyweights out of the top 100 and finished all of those matches with an avarage of less then two rounds.
Only once in David Haye his entire life he managed to finish a heavyweight match as fast as Anthony Joshua is doing on avarage against top 100 heavyweights... You're really comparing a wolf with a lion, some firework with an military bomb, a Land Rover with a truck, a pike with a shark, a bullet with a cannonball. And I fully admit, I don't want a wolf after me, I don't want firework on me, a land rover over me, hit by a bullet or bitten by a pike, but I very well know what I prefere if I had to choose.

I can honestly say, after many years of frequenting forums, I have never ever read such a load of pish.

asdfjkl wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Povetkin, Joshua, Parker, Jennings, Pulev, Chagaev, Fury, Wilder, Takam, Ustinov, Glazkov, name them.
And there are probably another 10 ish guys that would have given him serious problems in his prime (I currently can't really rate him).

Haye is a nice cruiserweight, a very nice one in fact, but the heavyweight is simply a totally differend league.
Joshua already proved more for me as Haye has done and probably will ever do.

This is why you get so little respect on this site.
Joshua who could weel turn out to be an awesome heavyweight has accomplished very little so far as a heavyweight.He has the potential but he has not proven to be among the elite YET.
Haye who I despise more than any fighter out there today.Has beaten Monte Barrett,Nikolay Valuev,John Ruiz and Derrick Chisora.Those 4 trump everyone of Joshua's opponents.

Comments like this and not knowing who Andre Ward is.Just show how little you know about the sport.
Why not read and learn from some of the more experienced posters and stop posting such stupid comments.

I'm not after respect, but let's get real, David Haye fought 7 heavyweights in his entire life at all and pretty much all of them were on a losing record just before David Haye or right after.

I already wrote:
"Really, put David's heavyweight performance in numbers:
Monte Barrett, barely a heavyweight himself, only won 1 out of his next 7 matches and even in that match he got KOed, but managed to stand back up again and win on points.
John Ruiz, a 38 year old that retired immedietly after
Audley Harrison, lol, who even got KOed by David Price in the first round later on.
Dereck Chisora, who lost his two matches before and before that luckely won on points against a 18 win, 43 losing cruiserweight that currently has a 20 win 61 losing rate...
Sorry mate, I know some people still think he's something special, but he really isn't, not even close. In fact Mark is a far better opponend as I expected him to take."

Now Anthony Joshua at the same time fought 5 heavyweights out of the top 100 and finished all of those matches with an avarage of less then two rounds.
Only once in David Haye his entire life he managed to finish a heavyweight match as fast as Anthony Joshua is doing on avarage against top 100 heavyweights... You're really comparing a wolf with a lion, some firework with an military bomb, a Land Rover with a truck, a pike with a shark, a bullet with a cannonball. And I fully admit, I don't want a wolf after me, I don't want firework on me, a land rover over me, hit by a bullet or bitten by a pike, but I very well know what I prefere if I had to choose.

For me it's just amusing actually how people can get blinded by a mediahype, but I'll be patiënt till he picks a wrong one again.

Redback Rasta wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

Redback Rasta wrote:Mark has been fighting for 15 years. Many of them, perhaps even most of them, without King, and the story has always been the same.

I guess a random guy with no promotional power behind him has trouble getting big fights. Who'd have thought? It's almost like he had to beat a bunch of scrubs to get a high ranking in order to get anyone interested in fighting him.

I'm just saying the majority of folks think he's a bottom feeder by choice and it's just not true.

6 of Mark's first 7 opponents were debutantes. That had nothing to do with Don King. King wasn't even in the picture at that stage.

Mark has been very good at blaming others along the way. Many different others. Including many different matchmakers. But he hasn't been forced his entire career to feed from the bottom. Some of it has been of his own volition. That much has been confirmed by a couple of people who have worked with him and just happen to post on forums as well ;;-)

The de Mori was due to fight Danny Williams last month (Williams pulled out with injury) left a really sour taste in my mouth. Anyone with a record like de Mori's who decides to fight Danny has to have a good look at himself.

I don't mind this match-up as a comeback fight after a long lay off.

De Mori has a record that could deceive the casuals (that's important, as they are the guys who Haye makes his money from).

I'll admit, it doesn't excite me, but I refuse to get exited about Haye until he is in the ring anyway, regardless of the opponent.

He needs to be active and fight at least twice (hopefully three times) in 2016, just to regain people's trust before aiming for a big fight.

If a fit Haye is 'worlds away' from
Povetkin, Joshua, Parker, Jennings, Pulev, Chagaev, Takam, Ustinov, Glazkov
then we're watching different sports.
He bored the place out with Wlad but was hardly blown away etc. If you reckon he's suddenly leagues below these guys then I'm a little surprised.

Gnome wrote:

Redback Rasta wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:
I guess a random guy with no promotional power behind him has trouble getting big fights. Who'd have thought? It's almost like he had to beat a bunch of scrubs to get a high ranking in order to get anyone interested in fighting him.

I'm just saying the majority of folks think he's a bottom feeder by choice and it's just not true.

6 of Mark's first 7 opponents were debutantes. That had nothing to do with Don King. King wasn't even in the picture at that stage.

Mark has been very good at blaming others along the way. Many different others. Including many different matchmakers. But he hasn't been forced his entire career to feed from the bottom. Some of it has been of his own volition. That much has been confirmed by a couple of people who have worked with him and just happen to post on forums as well ;;-)

The de Mori was due to fight Danny Williams last month (Williams pulled out with injury) left a really sour taste in my mouth. Anyone with a record like de Mori's who decides to fight Danny has to have a good look at himself.

Some of his opponent choices have been disgraceful.