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tiny_acres wrote:

The Revival wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:I think his wife is going to talk him into retirement.She has mentioned it numerous times in
interviews.I think it is best for Wlad.He had a great career and has nothing to prove he lost with dignity.

He lost with no dignity whatsoever. He would've been better off to come out bombs away in the 1st round, and quit on his stool after the 1st from exhaustion. At least that way he would've tried to win for 3 minutes.

Horseshit!!!
Why does everyone think the only way to lose with dignity is to get knocked the fvck out?
You know he still has a life after the sport?He knew he lost he admitted it and even said Fury was the better
man tonight.That is dignity.
I am no fan of Klitschko the boxer as I have always found him boring.But he has always had class.
Today was no different.

There wasn't much class with the gloves mess around, the ring canvas or the hand wrapping and its suspected by a few boxing insiders that he's been using PED's for a number of years. Sometimes it's not the words that come out of a persons mouth that shows class, its their actions.

I scored it a draw. Neither guy did enough to deserve a win. This is boxing not ballet. Hit without being hit. But you've got to throw punches. Considering how many KOs these two guys have did anyone expect it to go the distance or be able to count punches landed on your fingers? Fury spent half the fight under Klitschko's armpit. Klitschko looked completely befuddled by Fury's movement. Terrible performance. Reminds me of a John Ruiz fight.

Wlad was terribly ineffective and Fury terribly effective.

Riddick Blowe nailed it. Asking Klitschko to be aggressive is something he hasn't been in many years. Asking him to go to the body is something he's NEVER done. Ever. Not even back in the day when he was blowing out Schultz and Wolfgramm.

Cap wrote:I scored it a draw. Neither guy did enough to deserve a win. This is boxing not ballet. Hit without being hit. But you've got to throw punches. Considering how many KOs these two guys have did anyone expect it to go the distance or be able to count punches landed on your fingers? Fury spent half the fight under Klitschko's armpit. Klitschko looked completely befuddled by Fury's movement. Terrible performance. Reminds me of a John Ruiz fight.

That's being extremely kind to Wlad. Fury was a deserving winner, I think the judges got it spot on.

Cap wrote:I scored it a draw. Neither guy did enough to deserve a win. This is boxing not ballet. Hit without being hit. But you've got to throw punches. Considering how many KOs these two guys have did anyone expect it to go the distance or be able to count punches landed on your fingers? Fury spent half the fight under Klitschko's armpit. Klitschko looked completely befuddled by Fury's movement. Terrible performance. Reminds me of a John Ruiz fight.

The fight was not close.

The scorecards were very kind to Wlad as I cant see him winning more than 2 rounds, 3 if you are that generous.

It wasn't pretty, it wasn't exciting to the action starved, but it was a clinic.

It was surgery by a fighter who had done his homework and executed his gameplan almost flawlessly.

And almost nobody saw it coming because of Tyson's buffoonery. He fooled a lot of us.

Get over it.

Wlad doesn't seem to have a plan b when he can't sit behind his jab at range and impose his physicality -- usually in the form of clinching -- inside. Fury easily won the pre-fight mind games too. Getting the ring padding removed and having Wlad rewrap his hands.
Wlad's power and Fury's less than granite chin mean a rematch is by no means a foregone conclusion. That said it's hard to see how, or even if, Wlad can change it up tactically.

The Revival wrote:He didn't even try to win. It'd be one thing if he was legitimately outboxed. He didn't even try.

If Wladimir would've stayed home, and Fury would've bounced around the ring shadow boxing, and then been crowned Heavyweight Champion of the World. It would've been the same thing we saw today. Wlad might as well not even have been there.

Wlad did try! He is very experienced; he knows if there are openings. Fans working on their 4th pint don't.

Tony1244 wrote:Wlad did try! He is very experienced; he knows if there are openings. Fans working on their 4th pint don't.

No, he was too negative.

Tony1244 wrote:

The Revival wrote:He didn't even try to win. It'd be one thing if he was legitimately outboxed. He didn't even try.

If Wladimir would've stayed home, and Fury would've bounced around the ring shadow boxing, and then been crowned Heavyweight Champion of the World. It would've been the same thing we saw today. Wlad might as well not even have been there.

Wlad did try! He is very experienced; he knows if there are openings. Fans working on their 4th pint don't.

A guy don't get anymore open than with his hands behind his back and his chin sticking out. Or left hand down at his side, and his right hand gliding along the top rope. WIDE OPEN. Couldn't be missed. Unless you just don't throw a punch.

That's not trying. You can kid yourself all you want that Fury did something impressive. He didn't. Wladimir handed him the title. That's all that happened.

Horse wrote:

Tony1244 wrote:Wlad did try! He is very experienced; he knows if there are openings. Fans working on their 4th pint don't.

No, he was too negative.

You mean Wlad should have been less conservative and taken more chances? Considering he lost, we can say he should have taken more chances.

Wlad was afraid of missing by large margins and looking amateurish and silly, he was also afraid of being caught by a counter when he was off balance, he was very tense and it seemed it was he who felt the pressure of the large crowd. It also seemed he listened to what Fury was saying doubts crept in.

He should sign a trainer, he can keep Banks as second trainer but he needs some new blood to can help him with the plan.

Coachmanager wrote:He should sign a trainer, he can keep Banks as second trainer but he needs some new blood to can help him with the plan.

He's damn near 40. What do you expect him to learn now?

tiny_acres wrote:

Coachmanager wrote:He should sign a trainer, he can keep Banks as second trainer but he needs some new blood to can help him with the plan.

He's damn near 40. What do you expect him to learn now?

How to beat Fury.

For example A fading Federer changed his trainer in 2013. He is not 40 but he is old enough for a tennis player.

Coachmanager wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:

Coachmanager wrote:He should sign a trainer, he can keep Banks as second trainer but he needs some new blood to can help him with the plan.

He's damn near 40. What do you expect him to learn now?

How to beat Fury.

For example A fading Federer changed his trainer in 2013. He is not 40 but he is old enough for a tennis player.

Yeah but Tennis players don't get punched in the head that I know of.

It is too snap a judgement. He really should have taken it all in and then make a decision. He was reacting on pride rather than sense. If there is a rematch then I would love to have it in the UK.

reality is this.

finally the moment of truth has come for
wladimir klitschko, professional boxer. he
could dominate with size, fear and limited
aggression for more than a decade. he was
angry with haye, but was superior enough
to take away a win, without taking chances.
that has changed. limited risk doesn't cut
it anymore.

he is the underdog in the rematch, because
he had nothing to show for from the first
fight. question is, can he, in maybe his final
fight, dig deep, be and do what others had
done before: defeat someone who is better
than him.

my guess is: he can't, because in the end he
has the physique and the skills, but not the
heart of a real champion. lennox showed he
had it, when he came back to revenge his
losses, when he snapped after mike tyson
jumped on him in the first seconds and when
the tall, strong and young vitali klitschko
landed several bombs right on his chin.
evander holyfield showed it so often how
much heart he had, ali showed it on a regular
basis, larry holmes against shavers and norton.
of course rocky marciano, not at last against
archie moore. it is what makes champions
champions and i for one believe that while
wladimir klitschko is a nice, smart guy and
a great athlete, he just hasn't got this extra
... thing.

he will not risk leaving on his shield, it just
will not have been "his day". he will be fair
to tyson and live with the sting for the rest
of his life.

koolkc107 wrote:

Cap wrote:I scored it a draw. Neither guy did enough to deserve a win. This is boxing not ballet. Hit without being hit. But you've got to throw punches. Considering how many KOs these two guys have did anyone expect it to go the distance or be able to count punches landed on your fingers? Fury spent half the fight under Klitschko's armpit. Klitschko looked completely befuddled by Fury's movement. Terrible performance. Reminds me of a John Ruiz fight.

The fight was not close.

The scorecards were very kind to Wlad as I cant see him winning more than 2 rounds, 3 if you are that generous.

It wasn't pretty, it wasn't exciting to the action starved, but it was a clinic.

It was surgery by a fighter who had done his homework and executed his gameplan almost flawlessly.

And almost nobody saw it coming because of Tyson's buffoonery. He fooled a lot of us.

Get over it.

spot on

I was surprised Fury beat Klitschko the way he did and I do consider it an upset, I'm not taking anything away from Fury either he proved me wrong so it's eat humble pie and time to admit I was wrong it's as simple as that.
If you get it wrong put your hands up and own it.

That said I fully understand why Klitschko would exercise the rematch clause and it's quite possible he could win, I certainly don't see a rematch as anything but a relatively close fight going in.
Wladimir had proven himself to be a good credible champion and has nothing to be ashamed of whatsoever, he carried himself very well and always struck me as a proper nice fella.
Tyson is a completely different type of personality altogether and for me can be as funny and colourful as anyone you could meet.
For people not from the UK it might be hard to understand his sense of humour at times, but for me I completely get it and at times he almost has me rolling around on the floor laughing at some his comments however inappropriate he might appear to some people.
He doesn't play the politically correct card and is a straight shooter and tells you in very plain terms what he thinks of things, he's more the blue collar fighter opposed to Klitschko who's more the white collar fighter in many respects.
I don't know,Tyson is funny as I see it and perhaps should conduct interviews a little differently when dealing with people outside the UK as we do have our own brand of humour that some people just don't get.

Nevertheless Tyson Fury won the fight clean fair and square there should be no excuses, and credit to Wladimir as he's not making any.
I think Wladimir will watch the fight and no exactly what he did wrong and try to change his approach when they meet next time.
But it's Fury's moment and I say let him enjoy it, he proved many people wrong including myself, congrats to the big fella

It looked like a terrible fight from what I seen of it no brilliant boxing and no really big bomb's landed either and Tyson looked terrible rushing in
without much thought put in Wlad looked like his age caught up with him I hope he retires gees I also thought of something worst Haye v Fury fornicate no

campfire wrote:It looked like a terrible fight from what I seen of it no brilliant boxing and no really big bomb's landed either and Tyson looked terrible rushing in
without much thought put in Wlad looked like his age caught up with him I hope he retires gees I also thought of something worst Haye v Fury eff no

Exactly.

Oh it was one of the worst 12 round fights you will ever see. I honestly don't know how Wlad's face got so beat up because I didn't see any punches land by either guy the whole fight. Wlad looked just like a guy that didn't want to be there from the minute the bell rang.

tiny_acres wrote:

The Revival wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:I think his wife is going to talk him into retirement.She has mentioned it numerous times in
interviews.I think it is best for Wlad.He had a great career and has nothing to prove he lost with dignity.

He lost with no dignity whatsoever. He would've been better off to come out bombs away in the 1st round, and quit on his stool after the 1st from exhaustion. At least that way he would've tried to win for 3 minutes.

Horseshit!!!
Why does everyone think the only way to lose with dignity is to get knocked the fvck out?
You know he still has a life after the sport?He knew he lost he admitted it and even said Fury was the better
man tonight.That is dignity.
I am no fan of Klitschko the boxer as I have always found him boring.But he has always had class.
Today was no different.

I do agree with you here tiny.
But if Wlad is going to overcome the tactics Fury deployed last time he is going to have to let that right hand go or at very least commit with the lunging left hook.
And to do that against Furys jittery style he is going to have to be prepared to miss. If he waits all fight for a sure thing he'll be waiting all day and the outcome will be the same.
I'm not saying come out swinging but Wlad will have to take the odd gamble and take shots he isn't used to throwing.
The guy has made a great career from a fairly one dimensional, although very effective style. But if you can't change up and adapt someone will come along with a game plan to beat you.

Cap wrote:I scored it a draw.

Wat!?!