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Very brutal fight no doubt... Jacobs caught him and followed up like a whirlwind.
Dayum!!!!

Lancenix wrote:

Kootenay47 wrote:At least give Quillin an 8 count

oh well , we will see them both again

The referee is not allowed to give a standing 8 count. So when he jumped in like he did he had no choice but to stop the fight.

Ok , the ref didn't have a choice then . After watching a replay , it was an ok stoppage , Quillin wasn't going to survive that round .

The post-fight interviews were as good as the fight .

Nice win for Jacobs , he is going to cash in now . Boxing wins tonight .

Judgement Call by the ref. Dissapointing early finish to the fight. I think even if the fight went on Quillen was done with.

diddy wrote:

sucracristo wrote:the thing is, quillin didn't go down and get up and hold up his gloves
like he is ready to go. that is not under the ref's control. the ref can only
deal with the situation at hand and quillin did not go down but could
barely stand up. if the ref said "box", quillin would have gotten hurt. he
was no longer able to protect himself.

This. We see stoppages like this all the time where fighters don't take a knee or go down. What's the ref supposed to do? Watch a guy bouncing around the ring like a ping pong ball get knocked through the ropes?

Let the fight play out. Harvey is always too excited. He is just not a primetime referee. He was not even looking at Quillen to see if he touched the canvas or what was going on. He was looking at Jacobs. He refereed a poor fight all the way around.

quillin never went down and jacobs stepped back after that last hard blast because quillin
was hurt so bad. really there was nothing keeping jacobs from blasting quillin again but
quillin looked like he was going down with serious spaghetti legs. if jacobs followed up
and blasted quillin again, quillin would still be unconscious right now. if the ref let the fight
continue quillin would still be unconscious right now.

I could name many fights and so could you where a guy was in worse shape and came back and won. I could name many. So could you I am sure.

sucracristo wrote:quillin never went down and jacobs stepped back after that last hard blast because quillin
was hurt so bad. really there was nothing keeping jacobs from blasting quillin again but
quillin looked like he was going down with serious spaghetti legs. if jacobs followed up
and blasted quillin again, quillin would still be unconscious right now. if the ref let the fight
continue quillin would still be unconscious right now.

You don't know that. You think that is what would have happened but you cannot say that for sure.

sucracristo wrote:quillin never went down and jacobs stepped back after that last hard blast because quillin
was hurt so bad. really there was nothing keeping jacobs from blasting quillin again but
quillin looked like he was going down with serious spaghetti legs. if jacobs followed up
and blasted quillin again, quillin would still be unconscious right now. if the ref let the fight
continue quillin would still be unconscious right now.

quillins legs had gone which means he would of took a knee. give hime 8 more seconds could of pulled him self together

It was a decent stoppage. Quillin didn't have enough sense to take a knee. Therefore, he was finished.

Lancenix wrote:

sucracristo wrote:quillin never went down and jacobs stepped back after that last hard blast because quillin
was hurt so bad. really there was nothing keeping jacobs from blasting quillin again but
quillin looked like he was going down with serious spaghetti legs. if jacobs followed up
and blasted quillin again, quillin would still be unconscious right now. if the ref let the fight
continue quillin would still be unconscious right now.

You don't know that. You think that is what would have happened but you cannot say that for sure.

uhhhhh, yeah. i do. watch after that last blast. jacobs steps back and watched quillin flop around.
the only thing keeping jacobs from seriously hurting quillin was jacob's restraint. when the ref
turned around quillin still was stumbling and off balance

Tanzio wrote:It was a decent stoppage. Quillin didn't have enough sense to take a knee. Therefore, he was finished.

Let Jacobs knock him down then, why is the ref standing right on top of both guys? He did not have to be in there like that. Harvey is just too excited as a referee. He just started getting big assignments the last couple years and I am saying he is not ready for the big time. That was an Olympic stoppage. Not a professional big time fight stoppage.

brilo33 wrote: quillins legs had gone which means he would of took a knee. give hime 8 more seconds could of pulled him self together

quillin was not going to take a knee, obviously. what fight were you watching?

sucracristo wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

sucracristo wrote:quillin never went down and jacobs stepped back after that last hard blast because quillin
was hurt so bad. really there was nothing keeping jacobs from blasting quillin again but
quillin looked like he was going down with serious spaghetti legs. if jacobs followed up
and blasted quillin again, quillin would still be unconscious right now. if the ref let the fight
continue quillin would still be unconscious right now.

You don't know that. You think that is what would have happened but you cannot say that for sure.

uhhhhh, yeah. i do. watch after that last blast. jacobs steps back and watched quillin flop around.
the only thing keeping jacobs from seriously hurting quillin was jacob's restraint. when the ref
turned around quillin still was stumbling and off balance

No you don't you are guessing you are making A JUDGEMENT on unknown facts.

sucracristo wrote:

brilo33 wrote: quillins legs had gone which means he would of took a knee. give hime 8 more seconds could of pulled him self together

quillin was not going to take a knee, obviously. what fight were you watching?

Then let Jacobs knock him down then. Harvey is just not a big time ref.

Lancenix wrote:

sucracristo wrote:

brilo33 wrote: quillins legs had gone which means he would of took a knee. give hime 8 more seconds could of pulled him self together

quillin was not going to take a knee, obviously. what fight were you watching?

Then let Jacobs knock him down then. Harvey is just not a big time ref.

It is the ref's job to see to it that fighters do not take undue damage. Quillin did not have enough wits about him to take a knee. The ref had little choice and chose not to risk further damage to Quillin. I agree with the decision.

Lancenix wrote:

sucracristo wrote:

Lancenix wrote:
You don't know that. You think that is what would have happened but you cannot say that for sure.

uhhhhh, yeah. i do. watch after that last blast. jacobs steps back and watched quillin flop around.
the only thing keeping jacobs from seriously hurting quillin was jacob's restraint. when the ref
turned around quillin still was stumbling and off balance

No you don't you are guessing you are making A JUDGEMENT on unknown facts.

are you blind? quillin wasn't able to defend himself BEFORE he took that last big shot.
he was getting hit with every other punch before that. then he gets blasted with that last
one and he can hardly stand up. he obviously can't defend himself. this is not ivory tower
philosophy bullshit. jacobs stepped back after landing that shot to let quillin flop around
because jacobs could see how hurt quillin was. the guy has class not to blast a guy who
is obviously defenseless. the ref also saw he was defenseless. ok, so the ref says box and
quillin gets carried out on a stretcher. people get killed in this sport. the ref's job is to enforce
the rules and keep the fighters from getting seriously hurt. saying "just let jacobs blast him
one more time, then, and knock him unconscious" accomplishes nothing, and it is not theory
to know that is what would have happened. jacobs deserves credit for showing restraint and
the ref did his job.

Best I can come up with for now would have given Quillin a standing count and watch to see if Jacobs continues landing punches thereafter ...if he does then stop it straight away.
But Quillin was wobbling and the referee made a snap decision and it will pass, it's a legit stoppage as I see it.

what i was saying is jacobs hit and quillin.and quillins legs went,so if jacobs would of hit him again he was going down, no choice to take a knee

new york goes by the ABC unified rules
http://www.dos.ny.gov/athletic/policies.html

the ABC unified rules say "7. There is NO Standing Eight (8) Count."
http://www.boxinginsider.com/almanac/un ... mmissions/

quillin had to take a knee if he needed time to recover, but he was barely able to stand up when the ref
walked over to him and didn't take a knee. only choice was to let him get demolished or stop the fight.

Quillin was done. He could be badly hurt, but he couldn't win that fight. We don't need another Mago.

sucracristo wrote:new york goes by the ABC unified rules
http://www.dos.ny.gov/athletic/policies.html

the ABC unified rules say "7. There is NO Standing Eight (8) Count."
http://www.boxinginsider.com/almanac/un ... mmissions/

quillin had to take a knee if he needed time to recover, but he was barely able to stand up when the ref
walked over to him and didn't take a knee. only choice was to let him get demolished or stop the fight.

Nice info on the standing 8. Ref made the correct call.

It was a very good stoppage call by the ref.
Some fans just can not be pleased.

Lancenix wrote:

Tanzio wrote:It was a decent stoppage. Quillin didn't have enough sense to take a knee. Therefore, he was finished.

Let Jacobs knock him down then, why is the ref standing right on top of both guys? He did not have to be in there like that. Harvey is just too excited as a referee. He just started getting big assignments the last couple years and I am saying he is not ready for the big time. That was an Olympic stoppage. Not a professional big time fight stoppage.

On the contrary, in an Olympic bout the ref would give a standing eight .
In a professional fight the rules are different, it's up to the fighter to protect themselves at all times.
He could not hold as Jacobs was letting his hands go, he could not get on his toes as his legs had gone, all he could do was take a knee. But he didn't take that option, he just stood there wobbling with a half hearted guard up, leaving the ref little choice.

It wasn't a satisfying and definitive end to the fight but it looked like a correct stoppage to me.

The boxer needs to be able to defend himself at all times. A fighter not able to make a 10 count or being unconscious aren't the only reasons a fight should be stopped. Remember Mercer v Morrison or Griffiths v Paret?

Quillin was saved, he had nothing and was being completely owned BEFORE that last right hand that sent him reeling like a newborn giraffe. It was not a bad stoppage at all. The outcry is only from the butthurt, who had to finally face reality. Peter handled his ass whupping much better than that, he's got class for sure.