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HomicideHenry wrote:Who cares? Honestly.

There was a love/hate relationship between Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali too. One moment you thought the two were getting along, and then the next day Ali would be saying how Louis was so flat footed and slow that he was a nobody. Then Louis would be saying how Ali never proven anything just yet.

It's a tale as old as time. From Broughton to the present day, the old champion talks the merits of his time, and dismisses the new. The new takes a swipe at the old. Everyone has some sour grapes. Just look at Corbett in his remarks of Sullivan in the years following his win. No matter what he ever did, Corbett never was considered the man Sullivan was. Same can be said of Larry Holmes and Gene Tunney.

I chalk it up to that and nothing more. No disrespect to Lewis, but it seemed to me that the men he had the most trouble with were tall, rangy guys like Akinwande, Klitschko and Zev. In a round about way, his greatest wins were over two men who were much smaller than him and were well passed it. The rest of the field, were extremely limited or they were average. Unless you consider Ruddock, Golota and Morrison to be among the all-time greats.

I guess in a round about way, I think a man like Fury would have presented Lewis alot of problems. It would have been more entertaining than the Klitschko fight sure, because Lewis was more fluid and less mechanical---- but never the less---- how do you deal with someone nearly seven feet in height, whose a switch hitter, and faster than you? Fact of business, both Klitschko and Lewis lost to mediocre men in their primes. That kind of stuff does NOT happen to all-time greats in their primes. And the fact Fury is only 27 and improving every time out, and he's beaten a dominate champion rather easily--- makes me believe that Lennox Lewis would have probably lost as well. If not now, then eventually when Fury is "prime", because at this stage I would call him still developmental.

Which fighters would you favor over the 'prime' version of Fury?

Nightmare Roy wrote:I think Lennox often had a kip before a fight, cool as you like big Len.

Absolutely. Probably the most intimidating prefight routine I've heard of from a fighter, and damn right it would scare me were I in the opposing corner.

crusader wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:Who cares? Honestly.

There was a love/hate relationship between Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali too. One moment you thought the two were getting along, and then the next day Ali would be saying how Louis was so flat footed and slow that he was a nobody. Then Louis would be saying how Ali never proven anything just yet.

It's a tale as old as time. From Broughton to the present day, the old champion talks the merits of his time, and dismisses the new. The new takes a swipe at the old. Everyone has some sour grapes. Just look at Corbett in his remarks of Sullivan in the years following his win. No matter what he ever did, Corbett never was considered the man Sullivan was. Same can be said of Larry Holmes and Gene Tunney.

I chalk it up to that and nothing more. No disrespect to Lewis, but it seemed to me that the men he had the most trouble with were tall, rangy guys like Akinwande, Klitschko and Zev. In a round about way, his greatest wins were over two men who were much smaller than him and were well passed it. The rest of the field, were extremely limited or they were average. Unless you consider Ruddock, Golota and Morrison to be among the all-time greats.

I guess in a round about way, I think a man like Fury would have presented Lewis alot of problems. It would have been more entertaining than the Klitschko fight sure, because Lewis was more fluid and less mechanical---- but never the less---- how do you deal with someone nearly seven feet in height, whose a switch hitter, and faster than you? Fact of business, both Klitschko and Lewis lost to mediocre men in their primes. That kind of stuff does NOT happen to all-time greats in their primes. And the fact Fury is only 27 and improving every time out, and he's beaten a dominate champion rather easily--- makes me believe that Lennox Lewis would have probably lost as well. If not now, then eventually when Fury is "prime", because at this stage I would call him still developmental.

Which fighters would you favor over the 'prime' version of Fury?

Someone who possesses speed and explosiveness. Someone with great conditioning. Someone with the mental capability of being able to adapt to whatever moves Fury would make. Problem with Lennox Lewis, is he never seemed to adapt to anything--- he just stuck to a game plan--- if he fought someone small, he would jab and leaned on them, and when he fought someone tall it was maul and clinch. Only when he was pressed, would he turn up the heat and throw power punches.

I'd say a man in the vein of Dempsey (for swarmers) and Holmes (for tacticians).

Counter-puncher wrote:

Nightmare Roy wrote:I think Lennox often had a kip before a fight, cool as you like big Len.

Absolutely. Probably the most intimidating prefight routine I've heard of from a fighter, and damn right it would scare me were I in the opposing corner.

Nobody who has ever disliked me has been worried at hearing I like a kip.

ILikeBeer wrote:Lewis was always like this.

I remember before the Hasim Rahman rematch, Rahman turned up to the presser wearing a crown. Lewis didn't care. Then Rahman handed Lewis the belt from round his trousers. When Lewis looked baffled, Rahman replied; "That's the only belt you'll get from me." Lewis couldn't even be bothered to respond to such nonsense.

I remember the papers making out that Lewis was intimidated, and had no reply for Rahman.

Lewis' reply was in the ring. When you have the skills, there's no need to make ridiculous boasts.

Nicely put.

I always think if I was a champion I would be exactly the same. It's just the fisticuffs bit that is my only barrier to greatness :P

HomicideHenry wrote:Who cares? Honestly.

There was a love/hate relationship between Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali too. One moment you thought the two were getting along, and then the next day Ali would be saying how Louis was so flat footed and slow that he was a nobody. Then Louis would be saying how Ali never proven anything just yet.

It's a tale as old as time. From Broughton to the present day, the old champion talks the merits of his time, and dismisses the new. The new takes a swipe at the old. Everyone has some sour grapes. Just look at Corbett in his remarks of Sullivan in the years following his win. No matter what he ever did, Corbett never was considered the man Sullivan was. Same can be said of Larry Holmes and Gene Tunney.

I chalk it up to that and nothing more. No disrespect to Lewis, but it seemed to me that the men he had the most trouble with were tall, rangy guys like Akinwande, Klitschko and Zev. In a round about way, his greatest wins were over two men who were much smaller than him and were well passed it. The rest of the field, were extremely limited or they were average. Unless you consider Ruddock, Golota and Morrison to be among the all-time greats.

I guess in a round about way, I think a man like Fury would have presented Lewis alot of problems. It would have been more entertaining than the Klitschko fight sure, because Lewis was more fluid and less mechanical---- but never the less---- how do you deal with someone nearly seven feet in height, whose a switch hitter, and faster than you? Fact of business, both Klitschko and Lewis lost to mediocre men in their primes. That kind of stuff does NOT happen to all-time greats in their primes. And the fact Fury is only 27 and improving every time out, and he's beaten a dominate champion rather easily--- makes me believe that Lennox Lewis would have probably lost as well. If not now, then eventually when Fury is "prime", because at this stage I would call him still developmental.

so mike Tyson isn't an all time great because he lost to buster douglas in his prime?
wladimir isn't an all time great because he lost to corrie sanders or ross purity?
pacman not an all time great because he has plenty of losses throughout his career, at various times?

a prime lennox would have cut down fury like a tree, just like a prime wladimir would have done in my eyes.

he beat the dominate champion because he was the younger man fighting someone who's best was about 7-8yrs ago.

fair play to fury his achievement is fantastic but he really isn't on the same level as a prime lewis, would a developmental lewis get put down by a blown up cruiserweight like cunningham

Lennox beat a lot of dangerous guys and adapted to a range of style during his career.

HomicideHenry wrote:

crusader wrote:

HomicideHenry wrote:Who cares? Honestly.

There was a love/hate relationship between Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali too. One moment you thought the two were getting along, and then the next day Ali would be saying how Louis was so flat footed and slow that he was a nobody. Then Louis would be saying how Ali never proven anything just yet.

It's a tale as old as time. From Broughton to the present day, the old champion talks the merits of his time, and dismisses the new. The new takes a swipe at the old. Everyone has some sour grapes. Just look at Corbett in his remarks of Sullivan in the years following his win. No matter what he ever did, Corbett never was considered the man Sullivan was. Same can be said of Larry Holmes and Gene Tunney.

I chalk it up to that and nothing more. No disrespect to Lewis, but it seemed to me that the men he had the most trouble with were tall, rangy guys like Akinwande, Klitschko and Zev. In a round about way, his greatest wins were over two men who were much smaller than him and were well passed it. The rest of the field, were extremely limited or they were average. Unless you consider Ruddock, Golota and Morrison to be among the all-time greats.

I guess in a round about way, I think a man like Fury would have presented Lewis alot of problems. It would have been more entertaining than the Klitschko fight sure, because Lewis was more fluid and less mechanical---- but never the less---- how do you deal with someone nearly seven feet in height, whose a switch hitter, and faster than you? Fact of business, both Klitschko and Lewis lost to mediocre men in their primes. That kind of stuff does NOT happen to all-time greats in their primes. And the fact Fury is only 27 and improving every time out, and he's beaten a dominate champion rather easily--- makes me believe that Lennox Lewis would have probably lost as well. If not now, then eventually when Fury is "prime", because at this stage I would call him still developmental.

Which fighters would you favor over the 'prime' version of Fury?

Someone who possesses speed and explosiveness. Someone with great conditioning. Someone with the mental capability of being able to adapt to whatever moves Fury would make. Problem with Lennox Lewis, is he never seemed to adapt to anything--- he just stuck to a game plan--- if he fought someone small, he would jab and leaned on them, and when he fought someone tall it was maul and clinch. Only when he was pressed, would he turn up the heat and throw power punches.

I'd say a man in the vein of Dempsey (for swarmers) and Holmes (for tacticians).

so he didn't adapt to Tua's threat by keeping at the end of his jab all night, didn't adapt in the rahman rematch to spark him early and dominate, didn't take it to Vitali rather than box, just leant on tyson? Sorry but you are talking utter bollox.

Fury did very well to beat Wlad,but anyone who thinks he could beat a prime lewis is dreaming,lennox fought big men like grant and walked right through his big right hand and destroyed him,Galota was another he blew away,he also dominated the 2 men he lost to.

Counter-puncher wrote:

Nightmare Roy wrote:I think Lennox often had a kip before a fight, cool as you like big Len.

Absolutely. Probably the most intimidating prefight routine I've heard of from a fighter, and damn right it would scare me were I in the opposing corner.

i tried to copy him and i would lay down after the weigh in and i think it did make they other think what the hell is he doing ,while everyone else was on the pads or shadow boxing i'd have my eyes shut in a half sleep half meditation .

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

tobyh5 wrote:Taken from Lennox Lewis social media page.

"I'm honestly at a loss. I just heard Tyson Fury calling me out AGAIN because I apparently "hate him and am jealous of him". Neither are true and just when I thought we squashed anything between us, I hear his interview.
It seems to me that Tyson Fury has a LOT to say, EXCEPT when he's in my face. I had dinner with him the night before his win over Klitschko and it was all very cordial and the next day he even apologised for the things he's said.

I thought we were good so you can imagine my surprise to hear this interview today. I'm honestly not sure if he's got two personalities or what.

Nonetheless, he's done NOTHING for ME to be jealous of nor do I hate him. I'm actually starting to think its the other way around. In my prime, I didn't call out retired champions. In my era, we respected them. Ali is my idol. If he picked Holyfield or Tyson to beat me, he would STILL be my idol.
With the exception of Bowe, I've gotten along well, and shown plenty of love and respect, to all of my opponents, as well as the champions before me. This is how it's done.

For a man that has battled and fought very hard to get the respect he deserves, it's seems to me that he missed the most important lesson... that it's a two way street."

Class.

As he says, there's nothing Tyson has done, or is likely to do in all honesty, that Lennox needs to be jealous. A past prime Lennox at 37, went to war with a prime Vitali K, and stopped him with a brutal cut, after landing some absolutely humdingers on him, whilst Fury danced around for 12 rounds against a 40 year old Wlad, to win in an absolute snorefest.

for me Lennox vs Vitali was the last 'Great' Heavyweight fight. The class, bravery and brutality was top notch.

nitro5912 wrote:
so mike Tyson isn't an all time great because he lost to buster douglas in his prime?
wladimir isn't an all time great because he lost to corrie sanders or ross purity?
pacman not an all time great because he has plenty of losses throughout his career, at various times?

a prime lennox would have cut down fury like a tree, just like a prime wladimir would have done in my eyes.

he beat the dominate champion because he was the younger man fighting someone who's best was about 7-8yrs ago.

fair play to fury his achievement is fantastic but he really isn't on the same level as a prime lewis, would a developmental lewis get put down by a blown up cruiserweight like cunningham

I never said Mike Tyson wasn't an all-time great, but to say Lennox Lewis defeated the same Mike Tyson who defeated the likes of Spinks, Holmes and others.... would be a complete and utter lie.... He defeated a man who admitted that he did not train one iota, who was only doing it for the money, etc. a complete and utter shell who was worse off than Joe Louis and Jim Jefferies were in their comebacks. Now, the fact that Tyson LOST to a man like Buster Douglas in his "prime" years, does make one question whether Tyson was a top ten all-time great and to that I will argue that he wasn't. He's somewhere in the top fifteen or twenty. I would argue that Vladimir Klitschko is more suited to the top ten, than Mike Tyson, because his loss to Purrity and Sanders was in his developmental and green years. He did not hit his stride until defeating Chris Byrd by KO and rising off the canvas against Peter and then becoming this dominate champion in the vein of Holmes, Louis, Moore, etc.

You bring up the fact Fury was downed by a cruiserweight (possibly one of the top five in the divisions history), but that's the issue. It was a flash knockdown, and he got back up to win and on a knockout. One can clearly see that Fury from the Cunningham fight, is not the same man that defeated Chisora in the rematch so soundly and defeated Klitschko rather easily. Despite his weaknesses early on, he still won fights. Unlike Lewis, who lost as an established champion to relative nobodies like McCall and Rahman (they were fringe contenders at best at the time he fought them first).

bigjack wrote:Fury did very well to beat Wlad,but anyone who thinks he could beat a prime lewis is dreaming,lennox fought big men like grant and walked right through his big right hand and destroyed him,Galota was another he blew away,he also dominated the 2 men he lost to.

The difference between someone like Fury, and someone like Grant.... is depth, and clear evolution as a fighter as time progressed.... Grant, in essence, was the same fighter he was from the start... the best men that he defeated on the way up were men who were at one time contenders but well passed it at the stage that he fought them (Savarese, Gonzalez, Golota) and the rest were journeymen that did not press the issue, which is why Grant was so easily destroyed by Lewis, because he was never tested and he was one dimensional. Fury is anything but one dimensional.

Golota, you bring up, and he's a very interesting case indeed. He was just coming off back to back DQ losses to Riddick Bowe (who clearly was well passed it and fading fast). Golota from that time onward became one of the most inconsistent fighters in boxing history. And maybe, just maybe, when one looks at the record.... prior to Bowe (who was just stripped of the WBO title) Golota seemed to of been a man who feasted on journeymen. The only man he defeated with a winning record, worth anything, was Danell Nicholson. Outside of that, he was fighting men with 16-9-0, 7-14-3, 4-10-0 records. Maybe, just maybe, the Bowe fights were hyped more than they should. Why? Because the fact of business is.... everytime Golota stepped up.... he lost miserably. Lewis stopped him in one round. Tyson (completely shot and washed up) also stopped him. John Ruiz decisioned him, and Lamon Brewster annihilated him. The best performance of his career, was the disputed draw against Chris Byrd and one can argue it was because Byrd was so incredibly small in comparison.

You bring up how Lewis avenged the losses to McCall and Rahman, and he should get credit for doing so.... however.... that still doesnt take away ONE IOTA from the fact that they were both men that he should have never lost to in the first place. Prime years. And this is also why, like Mike Tyson, I do not believe he fits in the top ten. Just outside of it. Had the losses came when he was green, and learning on the job.... it would have been excusable.

J wrote:

so he didn't adapt to Tua's threat by keeping at the end of his jab all night, didn't adapt in the rahman rematch to spark him early and dominate, didn't take it to Vitali rather than box, just leant on tyson? Sorry but you are talking utter bollox.

Again, Tyson was completely shot. Lewis may as well have been fighting a punching bag. Tyson wasn't even a willing participant in that fight. Rahman was a man he should never have lost to, but he did, and the rematch just showed what we already know: the first loss should never of happened (but it did). Tua.... simply couldn't.... why? He was 5'9" fighting a man taller than his billed height of 6'5" with an 85" reach. How can you possibly hit something like that? You can't. It is more to Tua's credit, that he took that many power shots, than it is Lewis "adapting" when its a simple matter of physics.

As far as Klitschko is concerned.... for the first time in his life (with the exception of Mercer and the Zev) he was forced into fighting toe to toe.... because he was fighting a man of equal height, weight, and capability. The fight, of course, had Klitschko ahead on the cards. Both men were tired and could have went at any time at its conclusion. And it was stopped due to a horrible cut. It was an exciting fight, yes. But it is certainly no fight to point to how well Lewis can adapt, or even his greatness, because it showed his vulnerabilities more than his strengths.

HomicideHenry wrote:

nitro5912 wrote:
so mike Tyson isn't an all time great because he lost to buster douglas in his prime?
wladimir isn't an all time great because he lost to corrie sanders or ross purity?
pacman not an all time great because he has plenty of losses throughout his career, at various times?

a prime lennox would have cut down fury like a tree, just like a prime wladimir would have done in my eyes.

he beat the dominate champion because he was the younger man fighting someone who's best was about 7-8yrs ago.

fair play to fury his achievement is fantastic but he really isn't on the same level as a prime lewis, would a developmental lewis get put down by a blown up cruiserweight like cunningham

I never said Mike Tyson wasn't an all-time great, but to say Lennox Lewis defeated the same Mike Tyson who defeated the likes of Spinks, Holmes and others.... would be a complete and utter lie.... He defeated a man who admitted that he did not train one iota, who was only doing it for the money, etc. a complete and utter shell who was worse off than Joe Louis and Jim Jefferies were in their comebacks. Now, the fact that Tyson LOST to a man like Buster Douglas in his "prime" years, does make one question whether Tyson was a top ten all-time great and to that I will argue that he wasn't. He's somewhere in the top fifteen or twenty. I would argue that Vladimir Klitschko is more suited to the top ten, than Mike Tyson, because his loss to Purrity and Sanders was in his developmental and green years. He did not hit his stride until defeating Chris Byrd by KO and rising off the canvas against Peter and then becoming this dominate champion in the vein of Holmes, Louis, Moore, etc.

You bring up the fact Fury was downed by a cruiserweight (possibly one of the top five in the divisions history), but that's the issue. It was a flash knockdown, and he got back up to win and on a knockout. One can clearly see that Fury from the Cunningham fight, is not the same man that defeated Chisora in the rematch so soundly and defeated Klitschko rather easily. Despite his weaknesses early on, he still won fights. Unlike Lewis, who lost as an established champion to relative nobodies like McCall and Rahman (they were fringe contenders at best at the time he fought them first).

bigjack wrote:Fury did very well to beat Wlad,but anyone who thinks he could beat a prime lewis is dreaming,lennox fought big men like grant and walked right through his big right hand and destroyed him,Galota was another he blew away,he also dominated the 2 men he lost to.

The difference between someone like Fury, and someone like Grant.... is depth, and clear evolution as a fighter as time progressed.... Grant, in essence, was the same fighter he was from the start... the best men that he defeated on the way up were men who were at one time contenders but well passed it at the stage that he fought them (Savarese, Gonzalez, Golota) and the rest were journeymen that did not press the issue, which is why Grant was so easily destroyed by Lewis, because he was never tested and he was one dimensional. Fury is anything but one dimensional.

Golota, you bring up, and he's a very interesting case indeed. He was just coming off back to back DQ losses to Riddick Bowe (who clearly was well passed it and fading fast). Golota from that time onward became one of the most inconsistent fighters in boxing history. And maybe, just maybe, when one looks at the record.... prior to Bowe (who was just stripped of the WBO title) Golota seemed to of been a man who feasted on journeymen. The only man he defeated with a winning record, worth anything, was Danell Nicholson. Outside of that, he was fighting men with 16-9-0, 7-14-3, 4-10-0 records. Maybe, just maybe, the Bowe fights were hyped more than they should. Why? Because the fact of business is.... everytime Golota stepped up.... he lost miserably. Lewis stopped him in one round. Tyson (completely shot and washed up) also stopped him. John Ruiz decisioned him, and Lamon Brewster annihilated him. The best performance of his career, was the disputed draw against Chris Byrd and one can argue it was because Byrd was so incredibly small in comparison.

You bring up how Lewis avenged the losses to McCall and Rahman, and he should get credit for doing so.... however.... that still doesnt take away ONE IOTA from the fact that they were both men that he should have never lost to in the first place. Prime years. And this is also why, like Mike Tyson, I do not believe he fits in the top ten. Just outside of it. Had the losses came when he was green, and learning on the job.... it would have been excusable.

J wrote:

so he didn't adapt to Tua's threat by keeping at the end of his jab all night, didn't adapt in the rahman rematch to spark him early and dominate, didn't take it to Vitali rather than box, just leant on tyson? Sorry but you are talking utter bollox.

Again, Tyson was completely shot. Lewis may as well have been fighting a punching bag. Tyson wasn't even a willing participant in that fight. Rahman was a man he should never have lost to, but he did, and the rematch just showed what we already know: the first loss should never of happened (but it did). Tua.... simply couldn't.... why? He was 5'9" fighting a man taller than his billed height of 6'5" with an 85" reach. How can you possibly hit something like that? You can't. It is more to Tua's credit, that he took that many power shots, than it is Lewis "adapting" when its a simple matter of physics.

As far as Klitschko is concerned.... for the first time in his life (with the exception of Mercer and the Zev) he was forced into fighting toe to toe.... because he was fighting a man of equal height, weight, and capability. The fight, of course, had Klitschko ahead on the cards. Both men were tired and could have went at any time at its conclusion. And it was stopped due to a horrible cut. It was an exciting fight, yes. But it is certainly no fight to point to how well Lewis can adapt, or even his greatness, because it showed his vulnerabilities more than his strengths.

All the points you make are valid indeed but if fury was to beat a prime lewis i'd be absolutely shocked,well lets be honest it just wouldn't happen,lewis lost both fights being hit with huge right hands,something fury has never once shown capable of producing.

95gerog wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

tobyh5 wrote:Taken from Lennox Lewis social media page.

"I'm honestly at a loss. I just heard Tyson Fury calling me out AGAIN because I apparently "hate him and am jealous of him". Neither are true and just when I thought we squashed anything between us, I hear his interview.
It seems to me that Tyson Fury has a LOT to say, EXCEPT when he's in my face. I had dinner with him the night before his win over Klitschko and it was all very cordial and the next day he even apologised for the things he's said.

I thought we were good so you can imagine my surprise to hear this interview today. I'm honestly not sure if he's got two personalities or what.

Nonetheless, he's done NOTHING for ME to be jealous of nor do I hate him. I'm actually starting to think its the other way around. In my prime, I didn't call out retired champions. In my era, we respected them. Ali is my idol. If he picked Holyfield or Tyson to beat me, he would STILL be my idol.
With the exception of Bowe, I've gotten along well, and shown plenty of love and respect, to all of my opponents, as well as the champions before me. This is how it's done.

For a man that has battled and fought very hard to get the respect he deserves, it's seems to me that he missed the most important lesson... that it's a two way street."

Class.

As he says, there's nothing Tyson has done, or is likely to do in all honesty, that Lennox needs to be jealous. A past prime Lennox at 37, went to war with a prime Vitali K, and stopped him with a brutal cut, after landing some absolutely humdingers on him, whilst Fury danced around for 12 rounds against a 40 year old Wlad, to win in an absolute snorefest.

for me Lennox vs Vitali was the last 'Great' Heavyweight fight. The class, bravery and brutality was top notch.

I wouldn't call it a great fight, but it was certainly a great battle. Vitali took it to Lennox, and put on a great effort, before Lennox realised he had to do something and started walking through Vitali's shots to land his own.

It's a shame Vitali got cut so badly, and that his own corner worsened it with some terrible cut work, at one point, the cut man, was it DeSouza, I remember it was an incredibly experienced cuts man, turned away to talk to the corner, and literally pulled open the cut above the eye, ripping it wide open.

I'd loved to have seen what would have happened, both men were tiring, both were being taken places they'd never been before, Vitali more so, Lewis was coming on, but Vitali as we know had an anvil like chin, he was beginning to sag from the uppercuts from Lewis, but could Lewis have kept up that pressure, or would Vitali have survived and rallied to stop Lewis. We shall never know, but it was a really gutsy performance from both men./


The suggestion Tyson Furty, based on anything he has currently done would beat Lewis,. is frankly laughable.

fury beats lewis?!

just because he's in the developmental stage or just out of it. No.

Possibly the strangest thing i've ever read on here.

Klitschko will destroy Fury in two rounds in their rematch.

would lennox have gone life and death with john "the doughnut" mcdermott???????.............

los2 wrote:would lennox have gone life and death with john "the doughnut" mcdermott???????.............

He went life and death? No, the first fight was a clear, and I'm talking 3/4 round win for Big John. The 2nd one Fury avenged that "loss" comprehensively.

Lewis beat men who I would have backed to beat Fury prime for prime ( assuming this is Fury's prime...only 27 remember ) Ruddock, Mercer, Holyfield , Vitali ( would have destroyed any version we have seen of Fury thus far ) and probably Golota too ( the one who fought Bowe certainly )

Henry contradicts himself constantly in his posts. Saying Lewis never adapted is probably up there with the strangest accusations I have seen on here. Lewis adapted big time during his career. He was nothing like the head hunting, over eager fighter he started off as come the end of his career. He showed lots of different approaches -
Tua - Kept it long, barely got hit, jabbed his way to a lopsided victory. Why fight Tua any other way?
Golota/Grant - Both big men who Lewis thought wouldn't like it 'put on them' so he came out all guns blazing and smashed them to bits.
Rahman 2 - Kept it long, circled away from Rahman's only chance of victory ( big right hand ) picked his punches superbly and let the big shots go when he had to, punch perfect performance.
To name but a few

Regarding Lewis having trouble with tall fighters like Akinwande, Mavrovic and Vitali - He didnt have trouble with Akinwande, Akinwande was so scared of a fight breaking out he hugged at every opportunity and rightly got dq, nothing close about it at all. Mavrovic, wide, wide decision. Not remotely close. Vitali - different ballgame, huge, big puncher, rock solid chin. He gave the old Lennox fits but Lewis prevailed.

Henry's obsession and hard on for travellers is beyond crazy. I like Fury and was delighted he beat Wlad even though I didnt think he would but lets be real here, its not romantic revisionism, just watching Lennox Lewis and the likes in action during their prime compared to Fury, well its like watching a different sport imo. Like comparing a decent League One football team to an on form Manchester City

lillywhite14 wrote:

los2 wrote:would lennox have gone life and death with john "the doughnut" mcdermott???????.............

He went life and death? No, the first fight was a clear, and I'm talking 3/4 round win for Big John. The 2nd one Fury avenged that "loss" comprehensively.

Lewis beat men who I would have backed to beat Fury prime for prime ( assuming this is Fury's prime...only 27 remember ) Ruddock, Mercer, Holyfield , Vitali ( would have destroyed any version we have seen of Fury thus far ) and probably Golota too ( the one who fought Bowe certainly )

Henry contradicts himself constantly in his posts. Saying Lewis never adapted is probably up there with the strangest accusations I have seen on here. Lewis adapted big time during his career. He was nothing like the head hunting, over eager fighter he started off as come the end of his career. He showed lots of different approaches -
Tua - Kept it long, barely got hit, jabbed his way to a lopsided victory. Why fight Tua any other way?
Golota/Grant - Both big men who Lewis thought wouldn't like it 'put on them' so he came out all guns blazing and smashed them to bits.
Rahman 2 - Kept it long, circled away from Rahman's only chance of victory ( big right hand ) picked his punches superbly and let the big shots go when he had to, punch perfect performance.
To name but a few

Regarding Lewis having trouble with tall fighters like Akinwande, Mavrovic and Vitali - He didnt have trouble with Akinwande, Akinwande was so scared of a fight breaking out he hugged at every opportunity and rightly got dq, nothing close about it at all. Mavrovic, wide, wide decision. Not remotely close. Vitali - different ballgame, huge, big puncher, rock solid chin. He gave the old Lennox fits but Lewis prevailed.

Henry's obsession and hard on for travellers is beyond crazy. I like Fury and was delighted he beat Wlad even though I didnt think he would but lets be real here, its not romantic revisionism, just watching Lennox Lewis and the likes in action during their prime compared to Fury, well its like watching a different sport imo. Like comparing a decent League One football team to an on form Manchester City

Great post,fury wouldn't beat the lewis that beat vitali,or any other version to be honest,doesn't have the power.

Counter-puncher wrote:

Nightmare Roy wrote:I think Lennox often had a kip before a fight, cool as you like big Len.

Absolutely. Probably the most intimidating prefight routine I've heard of from a fighter, and damn right it would scare me were I in the opposing corner.

More intimidating than Tony Tucker's pre fight routine which involved him getting a blow job from his trainer. Allegedly

reggaereggae wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:

Nightmare Roy wrote:I think Lennox often had a kip before a fight, cool as you like big Len.

Absolutely. Probably the most intimidating prefight routine I've heard of from a fighter, and damn right it would scare me were I in the opposing corner.

More intimidating than Tony Tucker's pre fight routine which involved him getting a blow job from his trainer. Allegedly

Please tell me thats not true

reggaereggae wrote:

Counter-puncher wrote:

Nightmare Roy wrote:I think Lennox often had a kip before a fight, cool as you like big Len.

Absolutely. Probably the most intimidating prefight routine I've heard of from a fighter, and damn right it would scare me were I in the opposing corner.

More intimidating than Tony Tucker's pre fight routine which involved him getting a blow job from his trainer. Allegedly

Fury would not approve

To suggest that fury would stand a chance against lewis is ludicrous.

Beggars belief that anyone would think anything else

Wrists wrote:To suggest that fury would stand a chance against lewis is ludicrous.

Beggars belief that anyone would think anything else

i know,there is such a massive gulf in class between them i'm amazed that anyone on here would think otherwise.